On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something
Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too.
Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl.
Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random.
Well maybe that CIS fucked it up, but it still its no reason to redraw, I mean the players already maybe started to practice. Would be 2 days of waste. And its really unprofessional.
Making a mistake and not correcting it is unprofessional, also you totally ignored the Naniwa issue. Ignoring all other problems aside from Naniwa in wrong bowl, it would be enough to redraw the EU1 players as the other bowls were not affected by it.
I am not ignoring Naniwas bowl. I mean if i watched it right, he was in NA bowl, and then they put him in EU bowl after that first group draw right? So I see there no problem, since he was EU bowl after all. Or is there happened something more?
He could have been drawn in Group A. That may seem like a small thing but it's enough to affect the legitimacy of the draw. Hence why they redraw it.
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something
Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too.
Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl.
Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random.
Is there a key or a rule, which determines what players from EU will be placed in SEA/SA or China/Taiwan basket?
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something
Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too.
Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl.
Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random.
Is there a key or a rule, which determines what players from EU will be placed in SEA/SA or China/Taiwan basket?
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something
Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too.
Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl.
Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random.
Is there a key or a rule, which determines what players from EU will be placed in SEA/SA or China/Taiwan basket?
for the China/Taiwan basket they went with the "Commenwealth of Independent States Region" (countries of former sowjetunion pretty much) "rule" and put players (Happy/Mana) from that part of the EU region in it. (Making a mistake with Mana as Poland is not in the CIS).
For the SEA/SA basket. It looks like WCS points was a factor but not the only one. The 4 players in that bowl are 4 of the 6 lowest when it comes to WCS points. (Only Targa and Naniwa having less than some of them). So maybe they went "Let's do WCS points to seed that" and then didn't want Targa and Naniwa in it and adjusted. There is also the chance it was done random but given the distribution I have my doubts.
On January 27 2015 18:23 TsogiMaster wrote: Aeromi told that right? If i see his Tweets, he said that Nani was in NA bowl, thats why its going to redraw. But they took it out and put it back to EU. So for there is no need for redraw. Or did I miss something
Well, MaNa on the CN/SEA/CIS bowl is wrong too.
Well thats becauseEU has more players than other regions, if u can see some of the EU players were split in to sea/southAmerica while others to China/Taiwan. Like Serral,uThermal, Firecake, Morrow were in Sea/SouthAmerica bowl, while Mana,Happy, were in China/Taiwan bowl.
Putting EU players in different bowls is alright but it should be not based on some arbitrary criterion like "let us introduce a CIS region which had not qualifiers and is inconsistent with everything and won't work next season" but on merit (WCS points, time of qualification etc.) or random.
Is there a key or a rule, which determines what players from EU will be placed in SEA/SA or China/Taiwan basket?
for the China/Taiwan basket they went with the "Commenwealth of Independent States Region" (countries of former sowjetunion pretty much) "rule" and put players (Happy/Mana) from that part of the EU region in it. (Making a mistake with Mana as Poland is not in the CIS).
For the SEA/SA basket. It looks like WCS points was a factor but not the only one. The 4 players in that bowl are 4 of the 6 lowest when it comes to WCS points. (Only Targa and Naniwa having less than some of them). So maybe they went "Let's do WCS points to seed that" and then didn't want Targa and Naniwa in it and adjusted. There is also the chance it was done random but given the distribution I have my doubts.
On January 27 2015 11:12 Rehio wrote: Gosh, this season of WCS seems... unprepared.
No rule book, no schedule, and what seems like an incredibly hasty group drawing. Compared to last year, WCS seems pretty awful in terms of preparation.
Did someone kind of just forget that WCS was going to be happening?
This so much... it feels so random, like they are just winging it. They had two months to prepare
On January 27 2015 06:36 Thax wrote: Damn, some of the opinions in this thread... People should be banned from competition because they're too good? I'd like to see someone try that on the world cup. "Well Germany and Brazil can't play, that's unfair for the rest of the world." The competition should be scheduled around the demands of semi-pros? They're still pro's. The format was known up front. If the schedule is going to be a problem for someone, then he shouldn't have committed to the tournament. That's the "pro" part of being a pro-gamer. Professional athletes that still need to hold jobs to be able to make due or are still studying travel to compete all the time.
Anyway, I'm SO looking forward to this. Much more exciting and interesting than the separate tournaments for EU and US.
This idea that "pros must deliver X, because they are pros" is incredibly ignorant of the real state of the scene. Please stop pretending that we are drowning in money and that the foreign SC2 easily supports dozens of people as full-time pros, because that just does not happen. These people have to something else in their lives besides SC2, if they want to eat and live somewhere or have any future. Who do you think you are to demand that people give up everything for you to watch it?
If you really wish to see only those who are 100% commited to SC2 and close the competition for anyone else, there is a very easy answer how to hold Ro32: not at all, because there won't be 32 players to compete.
What are you even on about? I'm well aware of the state of e-sport earnings. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I'm also not demanding anything from anyone. I sure as hell never said anything about closing people out who or not 100% committed or any such nonsense. Of course they have to have a job, or more likely since a lot of them are very young and still in studying, live with their parents to support themselves. My argument is that, newsflash, this is true for a lot of sports and competitions. Belgium has a female boxer who is the current world champion in her weight class in all 3 (!) the major organisations she competes in. Guess what? She's "only" a part time pro and has a job to make ends meet. This is true for a lot of athletes in "minor" sports or even people who don't compete at the top in "bigger" sports. They somehow all manage to schedule their lives around their athletic's careers.
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