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TaShadan
Germany1976 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:02 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Im getting tired of this fake God called Flash. He was a "god" in BW. I wonder why people still call him god in sc2 though. He is very good but not comparable to his skill in bw. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 07 2014 21:44 TaShadan wrote: He was a "god" in BW. I wonder why people still call him god in sc2 though. He is very good but not comparable to his skill in bw. Same reason people called Bisu the Revolutionist or Boxer the Emperor. Nicknames stick, especially when they're good or catchy. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1976 Posts
On September 07 2014 21:54 Zealously wrote: Same reason people called Bisu the Revolutionist or Boxer the Emperor. Nicknames stick, especially when they're good or catchy. Yes but SC2 is a different game. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
The player is the same person though. We are usually fans of the player. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
well given that I have about 150 kids a year to teach, and that several years now, if it happens to me once in a while, I won't bother. So its 1 out of 500 to maybe 1000 kids, which shows the kids are actually smarter or more "developed" then most "grown ups" here | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On September 07 2014 22:33 Rollora wrote: well given that I have about 150 kids a year to teach, and that several years now, if it happens to me once in a while, I won't bother. So its 1 out of 500 to maybe 1000 kids, which shows the kids are actually smarter or more "developed" then most "grown ups" here Highly doubtable, the situation is totally different. If you teach these kids, you know them personally and you are able to contact their parents if they are to annoying. Also not only are you a person of respect for them, but also you probably grade them, so it is their best intrest to be viewed in a positive light by you. Unfortunately, that isn't the case here. Here we are anonymus, here you can't call swag_bros mother to express your worries about his behaviour and here you are not able to rate TheAnarchy's poor posting standarts. Who knows, maybe one of them is sitting in the parliament or the board of a big company. Maybe even in one of your classes. The behaviour of known and unknown people can not be compared. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 07 2014 21:54 Zealously wrote: Same reason people called Bisu the Revolutionist or Boxer the Emperor. Nicknames stick, especially when they're good or catchy. You think "god" is a good nickname? Bleh.. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 07 2014 20:15 Jono7272 wrote: You think you know better than Flash?! I'm being very serious by the way. I mean if I had to choose between Flash and Xoronius to make a wall, I know who I'm choosing. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On September 07 2014 22:33 Rollora wrote: well given that I have about 150 kids a year to teach, and that several years now, if it happens to me once in a while, I won't bother. So its 1 out of 500 to maybe 1000 kids, which shows the kids are actually smarter or more "developed" then most "grown ups" here Considering the amount of daily users TeamLiquid has, isn't there the possibility that it is the same ratio? Just saying. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:54 Miscellany wrote: I don't think flash lost in a way that was like "wow this guy is actually medicore, he didn't really stand a chance and his overall play isn't up to the ro8". But a loss is a loss, there were a number of chances or things that could have gone differently, but if Flash really is as good as everyone says it wouldn't have mattered. I do think that not making widow mines was wrong considering the number of banelings. soO deserves ro8 though, no doubt. And I'm happy that DRG is getting this shot, it might have "saved" his career. I don't think either one is going much further though. soO's ZvP isn't up to the 3 Protoss on his side of the bracket, and I think DRG will struggle more against Innovation's style compared to Flash. Lel, please. Both can easily end up in the finals, it's just sick misbelief that soO's ZvP ain't one of the best on planet because, well, he lost 3 finals to Protosses with combined score as 7-12. Even with Stats's current form in PvZ, soO can take it easily, if no greedy spires, against Zest it might be tricky but Zest is very predictable in PvZ, so if soO prepares well, he should take it and Rain, well, he knows Rain from inside after all those years in same team, lol. And DRG ZvT is nothing to be shame of either + Solar's ZvZ ain't something to be scared of as well, especially when he beat him just few weeks ago multiple times throughout the weekend. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 07 2014 22:54 Xoronius wrote: Highly doubtable, the situation is totally different. If you teach these kids, you know them personally and you are able to contact their parents if they are to annoying. Also not only are you a person of respect for them, but also you probably grade them, so it is their best intrest to be viewed in a positive light by you. I find it highly intriguing that you think you know how I teach. Because you are plain wrong about that, I let the kids be how they are. My approach is that I prevent doing all the things that I hated about school, make it fun and interesting. The kids sometimes shout at each other and pretty much behave as If I am not there. Their behavior also has no influx on their grades, only their actual work output does. So, the can do all kinds of stuff they like to do, as long as when the deadline is here, they have to send me their work (which they can make at home, if they are to busy being stupid with each other). I only interfere if there is too much of aggression or stupidness going on, meaning, before it gets out of control. I pretty often make a fool of myself and let them make a fool of myself. They know the limit of course, but I don't actually stop them from being an asshole. But if they are, I try to engage some self-reflexion, to make sure it doesn't happen again. No punishment either by me or by the resulting grade. And yeah, they are mean to each other a lot, that is how kids are. But none of them is stupid, and antisocial enough to have fun over the other one being sad. NONE of them. You can doupt that, but you just draw conclusions from you on others. Maybe your assumptions are based on the style or "method" teached on your school, which doesn't necessary make it a good school or good example here, as "traditional" teaching as you may know it, is way outdated and are a combination of methods written back in the 17th century, while I teach the kids after a "person centered approach", where I am not the teacher, but more a coach or a mentor. I do that part wrong I guess, the kids see me more as a friend, instead of coming late they always come early, rush in and tell my their latest stories or ask me some love/relationship advice and so on, or if there are conflicts I try to resolve them... THEN I try to jump into teaching them a little bit here and there  Basically I try to teach them so they have fun with it and so it lasts several years, not just until the next written exam. Laughing is a big part, the days are rare I don't have a stomachache from laughing when I come home. Fun side beside the fun, is that it keeps me fit somehow  On September 07 2014 22:54 Xoronius wrote: Unfortunately, that isn't the case here. Here we are anonymus, here you can't call swag_bros mother to express your worries about his behaviour and here you are not able to rate TheAnarchy's poor posting standarts. Who knows, maybe one of them is sitting in the parliament or the board of a big company. Maybe even in one of your classes. The behaviour of known and unknown people can not be compared. I do a lot of anonymus things with them (feedback and so on), they know how to be smart, not stupid and antisocial, believe me. Just because it didn't happen at your school doesn't mean it happens everywhere, there are many very self reflected young people out there, if the parents or teachers make it happen and trigger this behavior. Actually 90% of the kids don't do things to others they wouldn't want to witness themself (at least not over a long period of time, some of them jokingly do it, but that's ok). The other 10% that are antisocial are basically most of the times the ones that don't advance in our school anyways, because... well being social also has to do with intelligence and motivation at working on your personal skills. So enough offtopic, if you wanna continue, feel free to PM | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On September 08 2014 00:10 Penev wrote: You think "god" is a good nickname? Bleh.. You'd agree if you'd watched him in his prime. On September 07 2014 22:33 Rollora wrote: well given that I have about 150 kids a year to teach, and that several years now, if it happens to me once in a while, I won't bother. So its 1 out of 500 to maybe 1000 kids, which shows the kids are actually smarter or more "developed" then most "grown ups" here Put your gifted rich kids on the internet and see if 'such a behavior' happens. If you're naive enough to think how a teenager behaves in a classroom remotely compares to how they behave anonymously on public forums... you should probably stick to teaching the "less than average" kids. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 08 2014 01:45 Scarecrow wrote: You'd agree if you'd watched him in his prime. Put your gifted rich kids on the internet and see if 'such a behavior' happens. If you're naive enough to think how a teenager behaves in a classroom remotely compares to how they behave anonymously on public forums... you should probably stick to teaching the "less than average" kids. No. God is a lame nickname regardless of skill. Bergkamp was called god. One of the most skillful footballers of all time but of all his nicknames (he had many) this was by far the lamest. It's unimaginative and unoriginal (many people in many sports were called it). It has no connection to the person besides being believed the best at the time. It has the silly super hero comic book over the topness in it. It's bleh. Unfortunately the damage has been done; Nicknames can't be controlled, Artosis can call his pylon "Incontrol" a milion times, it's still going to be the Artosis Pylon. So I just have to cope with it. :/ | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 08 2014 01:45 Scarecrow wrote: You'd agree if you'd watched him in his prime. Put your gifted rich kids on the internet and see if 'such a behavior' happens. If you're naive enough to think how a teenager behaves in a classroom remotely compares to how they behave anonymously on public forums... you should probably stick to teaching the "less than average" kids. Put your jelly behavior beside. Neither of them is rich, most of them actually are very poor, some are asylants, one of my "best" for instance is a kid kid that was forced to watch when his parents got shot, another one is from iran, learning the "so hard language" german in 5 years completely fluent, if you speak to him you won't notice an accent. It's the opposite: they are NOT rich and gifted, so they value education, frendship and stable social environment more then the "rich kids on the internet" front. Also I know every of their facebook/whatsapp/twitter accounts, as part of teaching them about privacy on the internet, they showed me everything they put on the internet. So you better stop telling me what to do when you don't even know what I am doing. And to teach the "less intelligent then average kids" we have special personnel/teachers for that, I wouldn't be suited for that. Also I teach in a big city, where the schools for the "more than average" kids, teach them less, then "normal" schools on the countryside (because the kids to teacher population is higher) But on teaching the "more then average city-dids" That being said, I work with legasthenic, autistic and other forms of "handicapped" kids. So what now? Should I cure ebola? Or what is the next thing you want to tell me to help society? Better start with yourself I guess, then you can teach me what to do. As a start, you should not tell me how I do my job, when you don't know how I actually do it. And I repeat: this is OT, you better write me an Email, i can send you thousands of pages of teaching theory and practical articles about it, so you try it yourself and be a better teacher then the others. But I liked your first input to the topic: "No that can't be, everyone is retarded" instead of "glad that your approach works, maybe not everything is wrong with the youth nowadays" | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
1 - Flash is surely one of the best terrans atm, but he's not dominating the game, even if he was on a good streak. Plenty of players had this kind of 2 months streak in the past. Doesn't mean much really. 2 - It is vastely disrepecting soO to not ackowledge that he's the most consitent Zerg in the world and that Flash was not expected to crush him at all. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:31 Gwavajuice wrote: Nice article but a bit too exagerated IMHO. 1 - Flash is surely one of the best terrans atm, but he's not dominating the game, even if he was on a good streak. Plenty of players had this kind of 2 months streak in the past. Doesn't mean much really. 2 - It is vastely disrepecting soO to not ackowledge that he's the most consitent Zerg in the world and that Flash was not expected to crush him at all. Actually the PvZ flood or PVZcraft didn't help the reputation of the players, no matter how good they were. Even though I follow SC2 since the beginning, soOs I wasn't aware of how good soOs performance actually was the last GSLs. I am well aware of how good he actually plays, but it wasn't until the game vs flash started that I realized that he was in 3 GSL finals in a row or so. Basically this is of course my fault for not paying attention to his games, but because basically Terran was patched out of the game prior to the recent patch, I got tired of watching Starcraft 2 which really was 90% PVZ or mirrors (even more boring to me), and actually stopped following it a bit. Maybe it is ALSO because of that, that Flash has so much hype around him: he seemed to be the savoir of terran. And that even without widow mines. But tunred out the he should have used the "random luck unit" WM in his matches, not just the complex to handle Marine, Marauder, Hellbat, thor, Medivac composition...  | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:25 Penev wrote: No. God is a lame nickname regardless of skill. Bergkamp was called god. One of the most skillful footballers of all time but of all his nicknames (he had many) this was by far the lamest. It's unimaginative and unoriginal (many people in many sports were called it). It has no connection to the person besides being believed the best at the time. It has the silly super hero comic book over the topness in it. It's bleh. Unfortunately the damage has been done; Nicknames can't be controlled, Artosis can call his pylon "Incontrol" a milion times, it's still going to be the Artosis Pylon. So I just have to cope with it. :/ While I agree, that god is a lame nickname by itself, Flash still has "The ultimate Weapon", which is pretty cool. If I would be a Flash fan, I would use that. | ||
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Painchiller
Germany5 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On September 08 2014 02:40 Rollora wrote: [...] But tunred out the he should have used the "random luck unit" WM in his matches, not just the complex to handle Marine, Marauder, Hellbat, thor, Medivac composition... I m not sure it's more complex to handle, esp. since thor patch, just watch DRG vs Innovation last year to see that DRG is not afraid of the 4M strategy. Main thing was that Flash showed a lot of his TvZ strat in Toronto, and didn't change much in his group, and that what cost him the last game against DRG. (catallena was not very well played from his side either anyway) | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 08 2014 05:24 Gwavajuice wrote: I m not sure it's more complex to handle, esp. since thor patch, just watch DRG vs Innovation last year to see that DRG is not afraid of the 4M strategy. Main thing was that Flash showed a lot of his TvZ strat in Toronto, and didn't change much in his group, and that what cost him the last game against DRG. (catallena was not very well played from his side either anyway) Ok... I must have said this the wrong way - sorry, foreign language. What I meant was: WM is not a game changer per se, because if the zerg is aware of it, he sends ahead a unit or snipes them out and all it does is slow him down, not kill him. I called it a "luck unit" because sometimes you have this lucky connections where u kill ~10 banelings or 8 workers, depending on where u use it. But you actually cannot control it very well and it only shoots 1x every 40 secs, so its more on luck if you really have the connections you need or not (in a hectic battle). Hope this is more understandable now. I don't use the mines besides in defense, I think they are too much of a coinflip sometimes Edit: just saw you meant Medivac, Marine, Marauder, Hellbat and Mine. Which is the current meta. Well it is complex 4 sure. For starters you are refering to 4M, here we got 6 Unit types, not 4. Having different tech trees that need to be combined (Mech upgrades, vs Bio, 2 Factories at least although you should produce mass marines and some marauders as well, presplit and micro (snipe blings, run away, split again, push back medivacs, see that the marauder and hellbat soaks up the damage and thet the lings don't tuch the thor before the mutas do, micro thor back (pickup micro maybe?) and that mostly on creep, having the opponent with the faster unit coming to you, you need to always look, because if you look away 1 sec you are dead or ran over) a lot and always be aware of the counter, Besides the ~10 Rax you need 2-3 Factories (Hellbats, Thor and maybe Mines) and at least one starport (Medivac/Viking, lets see if sometime in the future we will se a Raven mixed in to prevent the minerals loss due to scanning the whole time. That would require a 2nd starport cause you don't want to switch all the time). Then we have 2 Upgrades for the Bio and Upgrades for mech, in order that your hellbats soak up damage they should have Armor as well, but most don't make that (yet), at least Infernal preigniter or what it is called. But the hardest part is the engagement because if you lose it one time decisively you lost the game, whereas this isn't necessary true for the zerg (depending how much is left of the terran army and what, the Zerg (if he hit all injects of 3-4 or 5 bases) makes 100 units of the counter- unit ^^ (overexaggerate much, Rollora?) | ||
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