"Destiny I" Financial Report - Page 9

On August 11 2014 23:55 Crot4le wrote:
I think if you're being funded by community in choosing crowdfunding then your 'take home' pay should merely paying your expenses and organisational and casting fee. After you have compensated yourself for the time, I think all profit should then be put towards the next tournament since it's on the back of donations that you have made that profit.

But that's just how I feel.

On August 12 2014 01:47 JaKaTaK wrote:
I absolutely love the amount of transparency and communication going on here. Thank you so much for doing what you do

On August 12 2014 01:45 Redkeekee wrote:
Frankly, I am shocked that so much of the community is voting against Kespa players over a matter of personal feelings. Sure Kespa is acting like a corporate powerhouse and maybe their communication seems a little petty, which is likely due to language barrier, but guess what: In Korea esports IS A MUCH BIGGER DEAL. They ARE the biggest organization in esports for a reason, and cutting off your nose to spite your face is exactly what you will end up doing if you refuse to build a relationship with them.
Please, Destiny, realize that this is a business transaction to Kespa and nothing more. Build esports into a professional scene where internet personalities' feelings are not the driving force behind major decisions. I work in corporate America, so perhaps I have a different view compared to many others, but in my world this is just another day at the office. My boss budgets my time for what it is to him, dollars divided by efficiency. Time is money and Kespa has the right to manage their players time as they wish. Some extra prize money that the players may not even make depending on their placing in the tournament may be worth less to Kespa than their players practicing for their next event or whatever preparation they want them working on. Kespa does not make most of their money off the foreign scene, so having several top tier players spend 10 hours prepping for and playing in a foriegn tournament that they could just scrub out of and make very little money is worth much less than having them spend those 10 hours prepping for a national scene a few months away with much more of their money at stake such as pro-league or code S. It may seem trivial to plan so far ahead but time is money, as said before, and every dollar counts in business. Refusing to work with Kespa over this will not only hurt yourself, but also the scene as a whole.

On August 12 2014 00:10 Crot4le wrote:


I think you were being incredibly naive to think that you could get KeSPA on board for your first event, with no proven track record, particularly on the weekend of the Proleague finals. KeSPA is a massive and powerful organisation which looks out for its players. You gotta prove yourself first before you can work with them. Do you really think TotalBiscuit would have been able to get players for SHOUTcraft Invitation #5 if it weren't for his experience and proven ability to successfully organise and cast online tournaments and the SHOUTcraft Clan Wars?

To be honest, Destiny. I think you nailed Destiny I. I think you did a fantastic job and I really enjoyed the tournament and the format. I also think you responded well to the stress of the situation brought by that asswipe posing as casters. So going forward I think you have proven yourself to some extent. Maybe not enough to fully convince KeSPA yet but who knows?

KeSPA's original reaction doesn't surprise me at all and I sincerely hope that your pride doesn't get in the way of you building positive and constructive links with KeSPA. I think if you continue what your doing then you could get KeSPA on board and that will only benefit your tournament, your brand and the community. Players like Zest, Flash, Maru, soO and Soulkey would do fucking amazingly for your tournament. Imagine if it was the Destiny II or Destiny III that we got to finally see Flash vs Jaedong for the first time in fucking ages? The hype would be through the roof.

Please Destiny, build bridges with KeSPA because I think it will be the benefit of all parties if you managed to get them on side.

Just to let you know that although I usually participate in crowdfunding projects, I didn't partake in the crowdfunding for Destiny I because I was uncertain how it was to pan out. I will certainly be contributing to Destiny II however.

On August 12 2014 01:45 Redkeekee wrote:
Frankly, I am shocked that so much of the community is voting against Kespa players over a matter of personal feelings. Sure Kespa is acting like a corporate powerhouse and maybe their communication seems a little petty, which is likely due to language barrier, but guess what: In Korea esports IS A MUCH BIGGER DEAL. They ARE the biggest organization in esports for a reason, and cutting off your nose to spite your face is exactly what you will end up doing if you refuse to build a relationship with them.
Please, Destiny, realize that this is a business transaction to Kespa and nothing more. Build esports into a professional scene where internet personalities' feelings are not the driving force behind major decisions. I work in corporate America, so perhaps I have a different view compared to many others, but in my world this is just another day at the office. My boss budgets my time for what it is to him, dollars divided by efficiency. Time is money and Kespa has the right to manage their players time as they wish. Some extra prize money that the players may not even make depending on their placing in the tournament may be worth less to Kespa than their players practicing for their next event or whatever preparation they want them working on. Kespa does not make most of their money off the foreign scene, so having several top tier players spend 10 hours prepping for and playing in a foriegn tournament that they could just scrub out of and make very little money is worth much less than having them spend those 10 hours prepping for a national scene a few months away with much more of their money at stake such as pro-league or code S. It may seem trivial to plan so far ahead but time is money, as said before, and every dollar counts in business. Refusing to work with Kespa over this will not only hurt yourself, but also the scene as a whole.

Also on the subject of Destiny's pay - Anyone that says he doesn't deserve 1800 dollars is a full on IDIOT. I would estimate ( MAJOR lowball) this took probably more than 100 hours of work (or 12.5x 8 hour work days) to organize and run based on the information presented, which when averaged out is $18 an hour, less than many ENTRY LEVEL jobs pay in this country. Destiny has put in countless hours for years now for the scene and this is a paltry amount to make for such a tremendous amount of work. Anyone that doesn't believe that this amount of time is required to run an event like this obviously has no experience in business or any sort of concept of time-efficiency.

All in all I really enjoyed this event, props to Destiny for making it his own style and all the work put in. Please consider what I said about Kespa and bring us another great tournament soon!