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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote: What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? Great luck in pulling that off and if you can then you deserve every penny. | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote: You've had some of the funniest posts in this thread, just FYI. "I seen something like this coming"...seen something like what coming? Me 100% fulfilling my promise that I would use 100% of the funds raised from the Indiegogo to pay for the tournament? Because I did. Also the argument that "he got sponsorships off the back of the Indiegogo" lol wat..? I would have gotten sponsorships regardless, they didn't ask me how the fucking Indiegogo was doing. What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? What if I did a crowd funded tournament and got more subscribers or personal donations or viewers or something "because of the crowd funding"? Should I forward all of that money "back to the community"? Also, please, grow the fuck up. I know being 17 years old and jobless is cool and all, but stop demonizing people who want to make some fucking money. Did I want to make money during this tournament? Yeah, of course, otherwise it's not worth (in a monetary sense) my time, I have to be compensated if you ever want me to put on tournaments like this. Grow the fuck up. I made the same point before, he made the same point, so I guess I'll have to quote it for you: On August 14 2014 22:25 LeeJohnDong wrote: IMHO none for this one lol (as he never said he would take any and i find that sneaky and misleading.. as he sold it to the community as everything raised would be going to the tourny, not to his pockets.). but he probably does deserve a bit, but should be "transparent" to the donators to let them know at least beforehand. The campaign Funding goals/distribution specifically mention each person involved, except you. I don't know why but that's my only problem with it. Next time please make sure to state how you get paid too. Personally the function of sponsorship should be to lower the amount needed from crowdfunding hence why I’d make it official crowdfunding perks. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote: You've had some of the funniest posts in this thread, just FYI. "I seen something like this coming"...seen something like what coming? Me 100% fulfilling my promise that I would use 100% of the funds raised from the Indiegogo to pay for the tournament? Because I did. Also the argument that "he got sponsorships off the back of the Indiegogo" lol wat..? I would have gotten sponsorships regardless, they didn't ask me how the fucking Indiegogo was doing. What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? What if I did a crowd funded tournament and got more subscribers or personal donations or viewers or something "because of the crowd funding"? Should I forward all of that money "back to the community"? Also, please, grow the fuck up. I know being 17 years old and jobless is cool and all, but stop demonizing people who want to make some fucking money. Did I want to make money during this tournament? Yeah, of course, otherwise it's not worth (in a monetary sense) my time, I have to be compensated if you ever want me to put on tournaments like this. Grow the fuck up. You are never going to convince these people, but you probably already know most of us feel you are very much entitled to that money, and probably should've deserved more. Just leave this topic be, what needs to be said already has, and set focus on Destiny 2  | ||
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Defenestrator
400 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. | ||
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
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oBlade
United States5608 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:29 LeeJohnDong wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, Destiny "2014" through and through haha. What an immature attitude man. I did see something like this coming. You have that kind of personality. Not the kind that commits selfless acts, but the kind that will do whatever it takes for personal gain, without letting the people who funded you know beforehand. And from what you said, you probably don't need "Crowd Funding" at all eh? Anyway, take no criticism, whine about not getting your way with Kespa (child), take no feedback seriously, get butthurt and argue with everyone, whatever. It doesnt matter. Think its time for you to change a little, for yourself. You're in the public now, not X17, put your "professional" cap on. Whatever you have against him personally, you should be able to understand this is his job. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote: If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote: Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". Oh. My. Gawd. Hold the phone. Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going? You're telling me that after being unsure, he decided he deserved some money himself for time put in? YOU MEAN HE CREATED A STRAW POLL ON REDDIT ABOUT IT TOO?! I can't believe these sacred esports dollars are going to the tournament organiser instead of the players or the next tournament. My mouth is foaming with outraged-infused saliva right now. I NEED to start an internet argument over this. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On August 15 2014 01:29 LeeJohnDong wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, Destiny "2014" through and through haha. What an immature attitude man. I did see something like this coming. You have that kind of personality. Not the kind that commits selfless acts, but the kind that will do whatever it takes for personal gain, without letting the people who funded you know beforehand. And from what you said, you probably don't need "Crowd Funding" at all eh? Anyway, take no criticism, whine about not getting your way with Kespa (child), take no feedback seriously, get butthurt and argue with everyone, whatever. It doesnt matter. Think its time for you to change a little, for yourself. You're in the public now, not X17, put your "professional" cap on. Do you even read the bs you write down here, or are you simply blinded by all that salty hate? Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going? Too much to follow, "extra money" means the money he raised from sponsors, not "extra donations", right? Because as i understood it (trying to read through the thread), the "leftover" from indiegogo will go into Destiny II? edit: funniest thing actually is, that if he wouldn't have shown everybody all the numbers (basically doing it like every business in the world conducts things), none of this would ever be an issue. Kinda makes you wonder if being transparent to that level is acutally healthy. You earn respect of some people, but you also awaken the troll in others, not being able to comprehend simple numbers. Oh wow. Are you like, 12? He's right though. If Destiny wouldn't have shown you the numbers, you wouldn't (rather, couldn't) give a shit. I actually think people don't give enough credit to that simple fact. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 15 2014 02:48 Doodsmack wrote: Oh. My. Gawd. Hold the phone. Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going? You're telling me that after being unsure, he decided he deserved some money himself for time put in? YOU MEAN HE CREATED A STRAW POLL ON REDDIT ABOUT IT TOO?! I can't believe these sacred esports dollars are going to the tournament organiser instead of the players or the next tournament. My mouth is foaming with outraged-infused saliva right now. I NEED to start an internet argument over this. Oh wow. Are you like, 12? | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
Destiny is being completely transparent when it comes to the financial side of things and I, for one, hope this trend will continue in the future. If he earns an extra buck or two doing community a service I'm fine with that as well - and anybody who understands how real life actually works will most likely think the same way, because that was pretty fucking obvious from the get-go. Destiny doesn't need to spell it out for people to realize his time is valuable (because everyone's time is) and he deserves to get paid. He didn't cheat anybody doing so either, he kept his word on everything. Grow the fuck up, people. | ||
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Defenestrator
400 Posts
On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote: Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. You don't cite a source/link for this, so I'm just going to assume that he was referring to the Indigogo money, and he has stayed true to that. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". When I was implying you might be a teenager, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Now you've managed to convince me that you're just plain fucking stupid. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Destiny is being completely transparent when it comes to the financial side of things and I, for one, hope this trend will continue in the future. If he earns an extra buck or two doing community a service I'm fine with that as well - and anybody who understand how real life actually works will most likely think the same way, because that was pretty fucking obvious from the get-go. I think that's one of the biggest issues here. I'm blown away by the weird demands of some people. It really comes down to "do you have a job" yes/no. Any sane person would see that somehow, the effort and time has to be valued. When I was implying you might be a teenager, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Now you've managed to convince me that you're just plain fucking stupid. lol, i thought pretty much the same, especially since "i had many jobs!!!!1!" is kinda nothing to be proud about, but rather (if true, which i doubt) that you're fricking awful at what you're doing. | ||
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HoliestBC
6 Posts
On August 15 2014 03:38 m4ini wrote: I think that's one of the biggest issues here. I'm blown away by the weird demands of some people. It really comes down to "do you have a job" yes/no. Any sane person would see that somehow, the effort and time has to be valued. I'm really glad I don't have to deal with such people criticizing me on a public forum. I know that the right thing to do is to ignore the people who are less than sane, but I bet it's really, really difficult... Again, you did a great job overall Destiny, and I appreciate the look into the organization of the event. Looking forward to Destiny II! | ||
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Maniak_
France305 Posts
On August 15 2014 03:38 m4ini wrote: lol, i thought pretty much the same, especially since "i had many jobs!!!!1!" is kinda nothing to be proud about, but rather (if true, which i doubt) that you're fricking awful at what you're doing. To be fair, this depends on other things, most notably the time period and the domain of said jobs. 5 different jobs over one year is quite different than over 10. Changing jobs may also be the only way to get a better salary. Or you may be freelancing and counting each project as a separate job. Or you may be fricking awful at what you're doing, which would explain the incomprehensible ideas about how this works | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote: Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". I never implied any extra money would go back to the community, I said extra money raised FROM THE INDIEGOGO would go into the next tournament, Please show me where I said I would go out of my way to secure sponsorships for the next tournament and keep nothing for myself. WHY WOULD I EVER LIE ABOUT THAT KNOWING I WAS GOING TO DO A WRITE-UP LIKE THIS AT THE END. LOL? | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:23 Destiny wrote: I never implied any extra money would go back to the community, I said extra money raised FROM THE INDIEGOGO would go into the next tournament, Please show me where I said I would go out of my way to secure sponsorships for the next tournament and keep nothing for myself. WHY WOULD I EVER LIE ABOUT THAT KNOWING I WAS GOING TO DO A WRITE-UP LIKE THIS AT THE END. LOL? Now the purpose of the thread has changes to a he said, she said thing. Either way destiny you look like a child responding this way to little things. It's kinda silly | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
If I were running a tournament like this, would I be this transparent with my finances? After seeing this thread, probably not. I would just quietly pocket my profit rather than expose myself to a tidal wave of idiots who expect that anyone doing something for the esports community should be doing it out of the goodness of their heart and working 60 hours a week at McDonalds to make ends meet. Props to Destiny for putting on a great tournament and being open about the financials. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On August 15 2014 08:41 3clipse wrote: This is one of the reasons there isn't more transparency in society- because people will try to find some scandal or something to be outraged about even when there isn't anything. If I were running a tournament like this, would I be this transparent with my finances? After seeing this thread, probably not. I would just quietly pocket my profit rather than expose myself to a tidal wave of idiots who expect that anyone doing something for the esports community should be doing it out of the goodness of their heart and working 60 hours a week at McDonalds to make ends meet. Props to Destiny for putting on a great tournament and being open about the financials. I said it earlier in the thread, you can't win either way, if you disclose your financials like Destiny did the argument from the community will be "You kept sponsors money for yourself? You're wrong and you're evil" But if Destiny DIDN'T disclose, I can pretty much bet on here or Reddit the argument would've been made of "We the community funded this tournament, we have a right to know things. You're wrong and you're evil" And people wonder why the outsiders say the SC scene is dying | ||
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