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The feedback and the transparency are great ideas, allows us to get into the mind of someone who wants to host a tournament and it's quite a thrilling story. Thanks !
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imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
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On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
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On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion. Show nested quote +
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway.
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On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway.
Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct?
Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II).
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About the KeSPA issue, the only reason not to work with them would be pride and stubborn-ness. There is basicly nothing to lose and everything to gain by inviting them or accepting their invite, and the only reason you would not accept this would be out of spite for previous actions. That's something that, at least in my opinion, a manager of a tournament (because thats what you do, you manage this) would not let happen. You don't let the emotions rule the decisions.
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fuck kespa in there arrogant asses
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I really enjoyed the tournament, or at least the part I was able to watch.
I liked the different style of commentary. No hyping of lost games and a relaxed kind of atmosphere.
I do not understand the rant about the money Destiny made out of this tournament. Why should people be discouraged to do something for the community, rather than encouraged by being able to make a living of it?
You are Ok, if the players are paid for participating and the casters for casting, why should the organizer go without any money?
There is something really wrong about how people think charity should work. Here is a ted talk explaining exactly the problem, maybe it can change your view.
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On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Show nested quote +Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II).
Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me.
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On August 14 2014 20:44 YoTcA wrote:I really enjoyed the tournament, or at least the part I was able to watch. I liked the different style of commentary. No hyping of lost games and a relaxed kind of atmosphere. I do not understand the rant about the money Destiny made out of this tournament. Why should people be discouraged to do something for the community, rather than encouraged by being able to make a living of it? You are Ok, if the players are paid for participating and the casters for casting, why should the organizer go without any money? There is something really wrong about how people think charity should work. Here is a ted talk explaining exactly the problem, maybe it can change your view.
Because the players "salary" and casters salary was settled beforehand and communicated to the public.
Unlike the sponsorship money, upon which he stumbled with luck (as in: it was not planned) and decided to pocket for himself.
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On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me.
Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on.
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On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on.
"asinine" haha. Learned a new word this week bud? Get off your high horse and learn to accept that people have opinions. You can have yours too! Its incredible right?!
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On August 14 2014 21:07 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on. "asinine" haha. Learned a new word this week bud? Get off your high horse and learn to accept that people have opinions. You can have yours too! Its incredible right?!
Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, even if its retarded one. Im guessing that you did not watch Unfiltred last evening? There Destiny clearly explained how much work it actually is. Now, just because you can't wrap your head around how much work it is doesn't mean it wanst a lot. Try imagining putting yourself in Destinys shoes, maybe you can start to realise how idiotic what you're saying really are.
Nobody forced anybody to give money to Destinys tournament.
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On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on.
A lot of people simply aren't realising the fact that the sponsor money came on the back of the community donations. Without the crowdfunding you don't get the prize pool and there is no tournament to sell to sponsors.
A lot of people are really over egging the amount of organisation that a tournament like this takes, with some even reckoning it is a months work.
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On August 14 2014 21:22 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on. A lot of people simply aren't realising the fact that the sponsor money came on the back of the community donations. Without the crowdfunding you don't get the prize pool and there is no tournament to sell to sponsors. A lot of people are really over egging the amount of organisation that a tournament like this takes, with some even reckoning it is a months work.
To be honest, it was probably a lot of work, since it was the very first tournament. But once you have the format, website, etc. fixed, the next tournaments should be significantly easier to organize.
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On August 14 2014 21:18 kiLen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 21:07 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on. "asinine" haha. Learned a new word this week bud? Get off your high horse and learn to accept that people have opinions. You can have yours too! Its incredible right?! Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, even if its retarded one. Im guessing that you did not watch Unfiltred last evening? There Destiny clearly explained how much work it actually is. Now, just because you can't wrap your head around how much work it is doesn't mean it wanst a lot. Try imagining putting yourself in Destinys shoes, maybe you can start to realise how idiotic what you're saying really are. Nobody forced anybody to give money to Destinys tournament.
hahaha, oh man. you are so deluded. When did I say that Destiny should not get anything?? nope. I'm simply making the point that its the communities funding that made that money for him. and thus, the community should decide how much a caster/organiser should make out of it OR at least let him tell people that he'll be taking the excess Before letting them donate unknowingly. Kind of sneaky just taking it without asking.... no? hidden agenda! drama!
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Nobody remembers Destiny saying out loud on Unfiltered that this tournament was going to happen whether it was a net loss (padding the pool with his own money to make it happen) or a net gain? Did I imagine that? And I missed the recap on Unfiltered last night when he talked some more about it, so maybe there is more to be learned about just what kind of effort he put into this tournament for those who think he just emailed a bunch of people for a few hours and magic happened.
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On August 14 2014 21:31 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 21:18 kiLen wrote:On August 14 2014 21:07 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on. "asinine" haha. Learned a new word this week bud? Get off your high horse and learn to accept that people have opinions. You can have yours too! Its incredible right?! Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, even if its retarded one. Im guessing that you did not watch Unfiltred last evening? There Destiny clearly explained how much work it actually is. Now, just because you can't wrap your head around how much work it is doesn't mean it wanst a lot. Try imagining putting yourself in Destinys shoes, maybe you can start to realise how idiotic what you're saying really are. Nobody forced anybody to give money to Destinys tournament. hahaha, oh man. you are so deluded. When did I say that Destiny should not get anything?? nope. I'm simply making the point that its the communities funding that made that money for him. and thus, the community should decide how much a caster/organiser should make out of it OR at least let him tell people that he'll be taking the excess Before letting them donate unknowingly. Kind of sneaky just taking it without asking.... no? hidden agenda! drama!
Let's get this clear, if you donate to the Red Cross you would want everyone who donated to get togheter and decide where the money should go? Cause that is what you are saying and its beyond mindboggling. In a perfect world, sure that would be great, but guess what, we don't live in one. The point that I can agree with you is that he should have stated that the excess money would be his salary.
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On August 14 2014 21:31 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 21:22 Crot4le wrote:On August 14 2014 21:02 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:
imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa.
</rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion.
I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution
My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them.
$200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game.
$600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters.
$500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising.
$4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200.
Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. Let's ask the sponsors what he should do with that money since that's where the money he earned came from. Then you realize how asinine the concept is and move on. A lot of people simply aren't realising the fact that the sponsor money came on the back of the community donations. Without the crowdfunding you don't get the prize pool and there is no tournament to sell to sponsors. A lot of people are really over egging the amount of organisation that a tournament like this takes, with some even reckoning it is a months work. To be honest, it was probably a lot of work, since it was the very first tournament. But once you have the format, website, etc. fixed, the next tournaments should be significantly easier to organize.
I guess the reimbursement ought to be lower every next tournament then?
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Keep in mind the sponsor money really was because of Destiny and his name considering a new event. Without Destiny even if everything is the same my guess is those sponsors don't put out any money. It was as much a "Destiny" sponsorship as it was an event sponsorship since it was really a trust his brand would drive a quality event. If the sponsors are happy with their ROI than there shouldn't be an issue with that money being used as Destiny's pay since his reputation generated that money in the first place. Now going forward since the tournament was successful if more sponsors came out and gave money more based on the community funded first event than perhaps the allocation of funds would need more consideration, but even then it is bonus money outside what the community generates. Keep sponsors happy about what their money is going toward, based on what the sponsors want not the community. I've yet to read that any sponsors are upset with their ROI or Destiny keeping their sponsor money, so unless the community didn't get something that was promised if they donated than why do you care you are getting what you were told you'd get with a donation.
So it seems to me if the sponsors don't care, than the community shouldn't either. Going forward a setup where community funds events, and Destiny were to then pocket the money from sponsors of events up to a certain point(than maybe create a bit of a slush find with extra money for future events) that it would be a win / win.
The community gets an event they fund, and their money goes to exactly what it says it will, the event and players. Destiny can go find sponsors and create those connections relating directly to him if he feels motivated to do that to pay himself, or find other ways to generate his pay. Not sure if that would work but it avoids a situation where people quit donating after a certain point believing their money is then just going toward "the bottom line" instead of the event. The trade-off is the community then needs to deal with annoying ads, so the next question would be is the community willing to pay for no ads.
The reality is if the community wants a quality event you should want Destiny to be paid something. You get what you pay for, and in my business experience even nominal pay increases quality and effort and it is a small price for a quality event.
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