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On August 13 2014 16:22 zenxbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 08:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 13 2014 07:06 B-rye88 wrote:
By staying transparent and keeping your take-home comparatively modest you help uphold the image that you have good intentions (making money is a part of that). So Nation Wars, made a tournament, watched by 1k live audience, and 20k online. They gathered 80k€ from ticket sales for attending 4 team matches live, and 85k€ more for hosting 6 days of online games, and 1 yet to come. Cash prize is 28k€... So let's say ticket sales covered the venue, then management/organizers pocketed 57k€ out of 85k€ for their hard work of 7 days of stream.That is 2/3 of the crowd funding money.... Not to forget Day9 who said he wasn't payed. Not to forget their sponsors who may or may not have been added to the crowd funding total. Do you really think that Destiny's share of 25% isn't modest? Do you think he will come a do a second tournament if you payed him with IHOP coupons?
Notice I said 'keeping'? Between 20-30% for salaries (I get the impression this was mostly a one man show) is pretty typical for altruistic endeavors.
I was just suggesting if he were to have gathered much more sponsorships and instead lets say he paid the cost of the tourney through crowd sourcing (~$6,000) and then got $10,000 in sponsorship money/gifts he could word things the same way.
"All expenses were covered by crowd sourced funds" is entirely true. If I received 0 sponsors for this event, it wouldn't have mattered. Prize money and payments made to casters and workers were all 100% covered from crowd sourced funds. Had I received zero sponsors, I wouldn't have stolen money from the players or casters to pay myself.
But he would be taking home more than 50% of the revenue generated by the event. There is nothing inherently deceptive/wrong with doing that, so long as people can easily understand that is the relationship. But it's clear based off of the response to $1800 that if he would of taken home more than everyone else combined, the community which supported it might have had different feelings about it.
The 'source' of his pay isn't really important in an endeavor like this except that it be clear where it is coming from and how much it is.
If he wanted to say that going forward the indiegogo will only cover operating expenses not including his own pay that would be fine. If he wanted to say his pay would be a % or the entirety of sponsorship's that would be fine too.
But if he were to just leave it at his previous statement it leaves a lot of grey area.
For instance if he raised $10,000 (indie) for destiny III without clarifying how he would pay himself, then went and got a big 'year-long/multi-event' sponsorship with a major sponsor it could get really sketchy really quick.
Lets say the sponsor is Ford (a guy knows a guy in the ad department and gets them to throw some change at this project). They offer Destiny $100,000 for 4 more tournaments of equal or greater size in 1 year time.
Well now he can still say the same thing that "the tourny was entirely crowdsourced and I only took the 'extra' sponsorship money". Except now it would be totally disingenuous.
He would be taking home 1.5-2.5x more than everyone else involved combined and essentially 'stealing money' out of particularly the players pockets. Of course just disclosing that's what you would do ahead of time would alleviate those concerns. I could see the case for how it wouldn't be criminal theft but it certainly would generate a different response than what happened.
TL;DR: Keep your take under/around 30% of total funds and people won't really have a reason to complain (of course that won't stop them). But leaving how you will pay yourself vague will result in undue stress for you and others.
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On August 14 2014 02:33 RoninColt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 01:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 13 2014 23:29 Crot4le wrote:On August 13 2014 22:06 Grovbolle wrote:On August 13 2014 21:02 Crot4le wrote:On August 13 2014 20:56 Faust852 wrote:On August 13 2014 19:29 Crot4le wrote:On August 13 2014 19:20 Faust852 wrote:On August 13 2014 19:17 Crot4le wrote:On August 13 2014 19:16 Faust852 wrote:
I still laugh at people saying that Destiny stole 1800$, wtf guys, it is underpayment for all the work he did. And why would he do a tournament like that for free ? Are you morons ? v_v Who the fuck has said the Destiny stole $1800? You, kindof. Bollocks. Destiny hasn't stolen a penny and I never claimed that he has. Please quote me where I have said that, that's right you can't because you're talking shit. In no way shape or form have I even insinuated that. All I have said is that I feel the remaining profit from sponsorship money after Destiny has been compensated for casting and organising the event should be put towards Destiny II. So you say he should have used this money for Destiny II when 1k8 isn't even enough compensation for the work he did. So you are saying he stole the investissement money. ??? I don't even... Crot4le, the reason people misunderstand you is because you never defined how much Destiny should have been compensated for his casting. Since his compensation wasn't part of the original funding/indiegogo, it makes sense for him to pocket the sponsorship money. However, in the future I agree with you that he should specify his own compensation in the crowdfunding campaign, and if he exceeds his funding goals (say 10K) he should not pocket the surplus but put that towards the next tournament. That's exactly what I mean, I guess I should learn to be more clearer. Wait, Destiny kept the money from the sponsorships? I thought this tournament was a "from the community for the community" experiment and that any money made from it would flow to the next few tournaments of which Destiny hoped to make some surplus money. :o He kept the money he received from the sponsors he picked up. Pretty sure he stated from the beginning that he would use all the money from the indigogo for Destiny I, and whatever was left would go towards Destiny II while what he makes from sponsors and ad revenue he would keep.
I checked everything and there was no word of him keeping the money from the sponsorships, but there is nothing about putting that money into the next tournament either, so I guess I just misunderstood him. source/
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This is what the scene needs.
Thank you Destiny.
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The article is well written and analysed. A rare and excellent example of displaying the finances of running a tournament for SC2.
It was a magnificent read, appreciate it a lot.
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Missed out this time, but will definitely support Destiny II. Keep up the good work.
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On August 14 2014 03:53 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 13:33 Destiny wrote:
Please let me know if there's anyone else who's ever openly disclosed ad revenue + subscribers + money made via other revenue streams before. Where is the report on twitch ad revenue? I'm still curious about how much just pre-roll ads generate in this situation. Show nested quote +From the indiegogo:
Following this tournament I'll provide a detailed write-up of viewership stats and how much money I was able to generate via sponsorships/ad revenue/etc...
He did use ad during the whole event.
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On a totally unrelated note, I want to make a point about transparency. The point of transparency is not to immunize you to criticism - on the contrary, it is precisely so that people can see the data and make criticisms.
The principle behind the idea is that if you are open to criticism and willing to deal with it, then you have a feedback mechanism to know what things are making people unhappy and you can fix it, much faster than if you're trying to find the problems on your own. Sure, lots of people have dumb and unfair opinions, but that doesn't mean their criticisms are baseless or have no validity.
I don't like the defensive way people are using transparency, as though being transparent in and of itself is a virtue. Dealing with criticism is a virtue. Willing to take the bitter medicine of hearing things that you don't want to hear and repairing the mistakes or attitude is a virtue. Simply telling people what you do and assuming that makes you virtuous or responding that you don't give a shit what people think is not a virtue. That makes you Kim Kardashian.
EDIT: Tangential to this is why it is "unprofessional" to publish e-mail correspondence. There's another person who may not want to deal with public criticism of their opinions and they may have perfectly legitimate reasons for that and some expectation of respect for that. Unless you're blowing the whistle on something really bad (i.e. willing or even wanting to burn bridges), it's better to ask for permission before doing something like that.
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After hearing your description of how much work you had to do to organize the tournament, I feel that you should have run ads between series. Probably not between maps, but I think that your payment should reflect your viewing turnout, and $1800 actually feels too low. I mean, you have a family to support, and that's not usual for people in this industry.
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Man i cant believe how narrow minded you can be culturally...
Destiny repeats over and over again that if you send official emails between business partners you're supposed to expect that they possibly get published otherwise you need to use nda's.
Thats not how business culture works at least in Germany and Japan ( the places ive been to from my experience, Korea seems to be similar) negotiations stay private, so you can talk bluntly and directly. You trust the other party to at least ask for permission before you publish parts of negotiations (most probably out of context) because thats throwing one side under the bus. You dont use public opinion to your advantage to push your agenda. In the end that just makes both parties look very bad and confrontational.
Ofc youve got no legal consequences by publishing stuff but usually the guy that leaks stuff stays anonymous and is considered a snitch in business culture. I dont know how someone can be so blind to see that in other cultures this behaviour is incredibly rude, disrespectful and makes you very untrustworthy as a business partner.
Apparently its ok culturally in the UK and the US ( i dont know) but that doesnt mean its ok everywhere. It seems to be really hard to grasp as a concept though.
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On August 14 2014 03:57 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 03:53 NonY wrote:On August 13 2014 13:33 Destiny wrote:
Please let me know if there's anyone else who's ever openly disclosed ad revenue + subscribers + money made via other revenue streams before. Where is the report on twitch ad revenue? I'm still curious about how much just pre-roll ads generate in this situation. From the indiegogo:
Following this tournament I'll provide a detailed write-up of viewership stats and how much money I was able to generate via sponsorships/ad revenue/etc...
Awesome thanks. That's a lot of ad block!
On August 14 2014 06:40 JimSocks wrote:
He didn't run ads
As far as I know, it's not possible to disable pre-roll ads anymore on Twitch. At least I can't anymore. Maybe some other channels get special deals though. I haven't been running ads, but on a day where I averaged 300 viewers for 3 hours, I made $3. I'm not sure why exactly his ad revenue doesn't scale up well with views except maybe a higher percentage of ad blocking viewers.
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The tournament was like a Destiny stream: Not unproblematic, but mostly funny and with good games.
If Destiny makes his cut running this, more power to him! In my opinion, SC2 need tournaments outside the WCS system.
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On August 13 2014 08:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 07:45 boxerfred wrote:On August 12 2014 11:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Very good dialect, except that this is a public forum. Keep on going and burn that bridge further. You should have continued to communicate with KeSPA - in PRIVATE - to work out the differences instead of pouting like an amateur and posting all this crap on a public forum. You are basically limiting the options that KeSPA has now, not only for yourself but for all the other potential organizations in the future. A little bit more professionalism is what this scene needs. This is a nice thing to put on the pile of "reasons we can't have transparency", along with the TaKe logs, DH Moscow thread and many other examples over the years. If anyone asks you why so many teams and personalities stick to PR-like statements, you can point them directly to this. The community only wants transparency when it's convenient for them. Erm, I strongly disagree. Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved. If that does not happen, you simply hurt privacy and thus take possibilities off of that part. There is absolutely nothing that justifies taking a conversation to the public, and in this scenario, Destiny might indeed have taken an arrow to his knee shot by his very own self, simply because KESPA will think twice what implications are now coming towards reputation, whether they take part in Destiny II or not. PR-like statements protect the privacy of conversations. That is especially important if, like it is in this case, the parties could not come to an agreement. You (or rather Genna) made already experiences with making conversations public. Would you say that publishing the take logs damaged your relation to Take, or improved it? TaKe fanbois hounded my wife out of eSports over this false idea that "Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved", which is completely untrue. As I recall correctly you were one of the people involved. I'd have quit the scene that day if I didnt have my players to support. The SC2 community gets exactly what it deserves most of the time. The problem is not our transparency, it is that the SC2 community in general is too immature to handle the truth.
I'm so confused by the fact that you (you run quite a successful business after all, so you're pretty familiar with how corporations work) seem to be okay with sharing e-mails in public.
In fact, most e-mails I've seen from larger companies usually contain a small disclaimer that the e-mail could contain sensitive information and should not be shared with anyone except the intended receiver. I mean, sure, that's just an automatic footer that gets added no matter what the e-mail contains, but I'm pretty sure most companies expect you not to post screenshots of them online.
It might not be required to have approval to share a conversation, but it'd be a nice gesture. I'd be pretty pissed if someone posted a conversation that I had with them without asking me first.
Would you be interested in clarifying your opinions?
Sure, that are times when posting such information may be necessary (such as if you really needed to prove something the other party was denying for example), but things like this just come off as slightly rude to me. Maybe this is a "damned it you do and damned if you don't"-scenario, and Destiny just decided it was better to post it. I just don't understand the whole "It's fine to post whole conversations"-attitude so many seem to be having.
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Awesome to see this info from a tournament like this. Thanks for the transparency.
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On August 14 2014 08:42 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 08:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 13 2014 07:45 boxerfred wrote:On August 12 2014 11:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Very good dialect, except that this is a public forum. Keep on going and burn that bridge further. You should have continued to communicate with KeSPA - in PRIVATE - to work out the differences instead of pouting like an amateur and posting all this crap on a public forum. You are basically limiting the options that KeSPA has now, not only for yourself but for all the other potential organizations in the future. A little bit more professionalism is what this scene needs. This is a nice thing to put on the pile of "reasons we can't have transparency", along with the TaKe logs, DH Moscow thread and many other examples over the years. If anyone asks you why so many teams and personalities stick to PR-like statements, you can point them directly to this. The community only wants transparency when it's convenient for them. Erm, I strongly disagree. Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved. If that does not happen, you simply hurt privacy and thus take possibilities off of that part. There is absolutely nothing that justifies taking a conversation to the public, and in this scenario, Destiny might indeed have taken an arrow to his knee shot by his very own self, simply because KESPA will think twice what implications are now coming towards reputation, whether they take part in Destiny II or not. PR-like statements protect the privacy of conversations. That is especially important if, like it is in this case, the parties could not come to an agreement. You (or rather Genna) made already experiences with making conversations public. Would you say that publishing the take logs damaged your relation to Take, or improved it? TaKe fanbois hounded my wife out of eSports over this false idea that "Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved", which is completely untrue. As I recall correctly you were one of the people involved. I'd have quit the scene that day if I didnt have my players to support. The SC2 community gets exactly what it deserves most of the time. The problem is not our transparency, it is that the SC2 community in general is too immature to handle the truth. I'm so confused by the fact that you (you run quite a successful business after all, so you're pretty familiar with how corporations work) seem to be okay with sharing e-mails in public. In fact, most e-mails I've seen from larger companies usually contain a small disclaimer that the e-mail could contain sensitive information and should not be shared with anyone except the intended receiver. I mean, sure, that's just an automatic footer that gets added no matter what the e-mail contains, but I'm pretty sure most companies expect you not to post screenshots of them online. It might not be required to have approval to share a conversation, but it'd be a nice gesture. I'd be pretty pissed if someone posted a conversation that I had with them without asking me first. Would you be interested in clarifying your opinions? Sure, that are times when posting such information may be necessary (such as if you really needed to prove something the other party was denying for example), but things like this just come off as slightly rude to me. Maybe this is a "damned it you do and damned if you don't"-scenario, and Destiny just decided it was better to post it. I just don't understand the whole "It's fine to post whole conversations"-attitude so many seem to be having.
on Chanmam's twitch show Unfiltered today, Destiny said he was in fact part of a corporation, trained as a Supervisor or something for Harrah's (the casinos).
And Destiny said he was taught by Harrah's, that ALL business mails should be written with the knowledge that it might be read by the public, so you should only put in these Business correspondences, things you would be okay with the public reading
...unless the email has a specific NDA
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On August 14 2014 09:41 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 08:42 Kerence wrote:On August 13 2014 08:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 13 2014 07:45 boxerfred wrote:On August 12 2014 11:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Very good dialect, except that this is a public forum. Keep on going and burn that bridge further. You should have continued to communicate with KeSPA - in PRIVATE - to work out the differences instead of pouting like an amateur and posting all this crap on a public forum. You are basically limiting the options that KeSPA has now, not only for yourself but for all the other potential organizations in the future. A little bit more professionalism is what this scene needs. This is a nice thing to put on the pile of "reasons we can't have transparency", along with the TaKe logs, DH Moscow thread and many other examples over the years. If anyone asks you why so many teams and personalities stick to PR-like statements, you can point them directly to this. The community only wants transparency when it's convenient for them. Erm, I strongly disagree. Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved. If that does not happen, you simply hurt privacy and thus take possibilities off of that part. There is absolutely nothing that justifies taking a conversation to the public, and in this scenario, Destiny might indeed have taken an arrow to his knee shot by his very own self, simply because KESPA will think twice what implications are now coming towards reputation, whether they take part in Destiny II or not. PR-like statements protect the privacy of conversations. That is especially important if, like it is in this case, the parties could not come to an agreement. You (or rather Genna) made already experiences with making conversations public. Would you say that publishing the take logs damaged your relation to Take, or improved it? TaKe fanbois hounded my wife out of eSports over this false idea that "Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved", which is completely untrue. As I recall correctly you were one of the people involved. I'd have quit the scene that day if I didnt have my players to support. The SC2 community gets exactly what it deserves most of the time. The problem is not our transparency, it is that the SC2 community in general is too immature to handle the truth. I'm so confused by the fact that you (you run quite a successful business after all, so you're pretty familiar with how corporations work) seem to be okay with sharing e-mails in public. In fact, most e-mails I've seen from larger companies usually contain a small disclaimer that the e-mail could contain sensitive information and should not be shared with anyone except the intended receiver. I mean, sure, that's just an automatic footer that gets added no matter what the e-mail contains, but I'm pretty sure most companies expect you not to post screenshots of them online. It might not be required to have approval to share a conversation, but it'd be a nice gesture. I'd be pretty pissed if someone posted a conversation that I had with them without asking me first. Would you be interested in clarifying your opinions? Sure, that are times when posting such information may be necessary (such as if you really needed to prove something the other party was denying for example), but things like this just come off as slightly rude to me. Maybe this is a "damned it you do and damned if you don't"-scenario, and Destiny just decided it was better to post it. I just don't understand the whole "It's fine to post whole conversations"-attitude so many seem to be having. on Chanmam's twitch show Unfiltered today, Destiny said he WAS in fact part of a corporation, trained as a Supervisor or something for Harrah's (the casinos). And Destiny said he was taught by Harrah's, that ALL business mails should be written with the knowledge that it might be read by the public, so you should only put in these Business correspondences, things you would be okay with the public reading ...unless the email has a specific NDA
I can understand someone being ignorant of the fact that the rest of the world doesn't operate that way and considers this a huge breach of trust, but refusing to admit this may have been a mistake once the culture clash has been established by others? That sort of stubbornness I can't get behind.
I don't think that Chud said anything compromising, either. It's just the principle of the matter.
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On August 14 2014 08:42 Kerence wrote:
Sure, that are times when posting such information may be necessary (such as if you really needed to prove something the other party was denying for example), but things like this just come off as slightly rude to me. Maybe this is a "damned it you do and damned if you don't"-scenario, and Destiny just decided it was better to post it. I just don't understand the whole "It's fine to post whole conversations"-attitude so many seem to be having.
You're trying to organize a tournament. You contact a big organization to ask it they'd be willing to participate. You get rejected because you're not deemed relevant enough. People ask why you did not get this participation. You tell them. They keep asking. Maybe you didn't ask properly, maybe they didn't really say no, maybe you simply lied, blah blah blah.
You want to be transparent, so you publish the rejection text verbatim. And who knows, maybe this could help put some pressure on this big organization, since you could not get anywhere on your own. At the least, people will actually know why it didn't work.
There was no personal attack, no leak of any confidential information, no secret negociation magic, "I tried, couldn't do it, here's what they said".
It was just a freaking rejection letter, nothing to write tens of pages about.
So what if KeSPA does not like people seeing on what grounds they decide not to participate in a tournament? That's an issue about ego, not about confidentiality, honor or whatever else. Sure, it might also be cultural, but then again it's KeSPA. There's some history there.
Besides, if there *has* to be a fault somewhere, it's on KeSPA's side. If a company does not want an email being published, that's what confidentiality agreements are for. Otherwise, they should think about it as if it was always going to be seen by the public. If someone wants to play the professionalism card, that's where it should be applied.
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On August 14 2014 09:41 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 08:42 Kerence wrote:On August 13 2014 08:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 13 2014 07:45 boxerfred wrote:On August 12 2014 11:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:Very good dialect, except that this is a public forum. Keep on going and burn that bridge further. You should have continued to communicate with KeSPA - in PRIVATE - to work out the differences instead of pouting like an amateur and posting all this crap on a public forum. You are basically limiting the options that KeSPA has now, not only for yourself but for all the other potential organizations in the future. A little bit more professionalism is what this scene needs. This is a nice thing to put on the pile of "reasons we can't have transparency", along with the TaKe logs, DH Moscow thread and many other examples over the years. If anyone asks you why so many teams and personalities stick to PR-like statements, you can point them directly to this. The community only wants transparency when it's convenient for them. Erm, I strongly disagree. Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved. If that does not happen, you simply hurt privacy and thus take possibilities off of that part. There is absolutely nothing that justifies taking a conversation to the public, and in this scenario, Destiny might indeed have taken an arrow to his knee shot by his very own self, simply because KESPA will think twice what implications are now coming towards reputation, whether they take part in Destiny II or not. PR-like statements protect the privacy of conversations. That is especially important if, like it is in this case, the parties could not come to an agreement. You (or rather Genna) made already experiences with making conversations public. Would you say that publishing the take logs damaged your relation to Take, or improved it? TaKe fanbois hounded my wife out of eSports over this false idea that "Being transparent is a beautiful thing, but pushing a conversation ("conversation" implies more than just yourself being involved) to the public requires the approval of the others who are involved", which is completely untrue. As I recall correctly you were one of the people involved. I'd have quit the scene that day if I didnt have my players to support. The SC2 community gets exactly what it deserves most of the time. The problem is not our transparency, it is that the SC2 community in general is too immature to handle the truth. I'm so confused by the fact that you (you run quite a successful business after all, so you're pretty familiar with how corporations work) seem to be okay with sharing e-mails in public. In fact, most e-mails I've seen from larger companies usually contain a small disclaimer that the e-mail could contain sensitive information and should not be shared with anyone except the intended receiver. I mean, sure, that's just an automatic footer that gets added no matter what the e-mail contains, but I'm pretty sure most companies expect you not to post screenshots of them online. It might not be required to have approval to share a conversation, but it'd be a nice gesture. I'd be pretty pissed if someone posted a conversation that I had with them without asking me first. Would you be interested in clarifying your opinions? Sure, that are times when posting such information may be necessary (such as if you really needed to prove something the other party was denying for example), but things like this just come off as slightly rude to me. Maybe this is a "damned it you do and damned if you don't"-scenario, and Destiny just decided it was better to post it. I just don't understand the whole "It's fine to post whole conversations"-attitude so many seem to be having. on Chanmam's twitch show Unfiltered today, Destiny said he was in fact part of a corporation, trained as a Supervisor or something for Harrah's (the casinos). And Destiny said he was taught by Harrah's, that ALL business mails should be written with the knowledge that it might be read by the public, so you should only put in these Business correspondences, things you would be okay with the public reading ...unless the email has a specific NDA There's a difference between what you should do to protect yourself, which is "attach an NDA or expect everything to be shared, and really, expect it anyway", versus what you should do to be polite and maintain a positive relationship, which is "don't share emails unless the other party gives their OK". Obviously Destiny has the right to share the emails, but Chuddinater and the rest of KeSPA also have the right to blow him off because he did or for whatever other reason.
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There's a lot of rhetoric used to defend actions that doesn't actually mean anything. There's a spectrum of philosophies on how to behave in esports from "everyone should cooperate to create the best possible product" to "everyone should keep their own interests as top priority." There's also a spectrum on how transparent business should be. If people want to explain themselves, then they ought to be defending where they specifically land on each spectrum and explaining why they behaved in a particular way in a particular instance. Instead, when being challenged by someone to their left or to their right on the spectrum, they appeal to the ideals of whatever extreme make sense for the rhetoric of their defense. Like it's always ok to sympathize with someone for looking out for themselves or always ok to scorn someone who is uncooperative even when other parties are willing to be unselfish, etc. It's all a bunch of BS.
The best course of action isn't always clear but trying to make someone's decision look bad by showing how far they've strayed from some ideal is definitely not helpful. In other words, it'd be nice if everyone was a bit more pragmatic. Don't talk past the particulars of a situation just because some ideal has been violated. Forget the theory on how things ought to work. Use your knowledge of the people involved and of the situation in order to answer the question "what action do I have to take in order to achieve my goals?"
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That's great you found a way to have your own tournaments and you are receiving much love from the community to even have the opportunity to do it. I wouldn't worry too much about KESPA. Keep having tournaments and they will eventually want to support it. If you are willing to put the work in they won't ask you information they can gather themselves from your broadcasts. They'll see how they fit into the picture and work something out with you. You have to think about in a way that they are spending their time and money by having their players practice, participate and potentially even show up for your event. Good luck with it Destiny. :D
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