"Destiny I" Financial Report - Page 25

On August 13 2014 00:36 KoRStarvid wrote:
Wow, Kespa's representative seems to be completely in denial. Spending zero resources and taking on zero risk for potential exposure for their players, teams, sponsors and brand, all while their scene is shrinking at an alarming rate would seem like a no-brainer. And their recommendation is that Destiny should try to build business relations with them, as if inviting Kespa-players wasn't a business invitation. I guess it has to do a lot with Korean culture(?), but the SC2-scene is international and they desperately need to adapt to that if they wish their SC2 scene to survive. No wonder they're having problems!

I was superbly satisfied with the tournament, and I will most likely fund a larger amount next time. Destiny has always been a good guy, and it's nice to see the community finally catching on to that. I'm hopeful we'll see a lot more sustainable tournaments (meaning the organizer and all involved parties actually making money from their efforts) in the future as a result of the success of this tournament. People shaming Destiny for making a profit need to grow up and realize that not only is profit a requirement for longevity, but it actually also increases the quality of whatever you're producing. People who work for free or for weak incentives do poor work.

On August 12 2014 01:01 plgElwood wrote:
I am not decided on the KeSpA Thing. Everytime they should interact with another Organization they act arrogant

On August 13 2014 01:16 disciple wrote:


I'm not completely sure about KeSPa being in trouble - their teams own really hard in LoL. So while some may feel their SC2 policy should adapt to the current status quo of the scene at the end their players represent the same brands and sponsors as their extremely in demand LoL teams. Imagine Manchester United having another team in a less popular team sport, say field hockey. Now should Manchester United accept playing in a field hockey start up tournament just because financially field hockey is in a worse state than football?

On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote:
Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.

Good luck I guess.

On August 13 2014 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:


Money mongering rogue players? How does that description make any bit of sense lol. It's just a simple online tournament bro. Investor decks don't need to enter into the discussion, just let your players sit at their desk And play for a little.

On August 13 2014 01:22 delHospital wrote:

But that's exactly what happens with clubs that have multiple sections, no?

On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote:
Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.

Good luck I guess.

On August 13 2014 01:26 orvinreyes wrote:


Bleh, I think all those blindly going against KeSPA here haven't had significant corporate experience to even understand well established concepts like risk mitigation, trade offs, asset management, etc. that go into KeSPA's decision making and are thinking on a very "mom and pop" business level. KeSPA tends to be on the conservative side but it is very understandable.

On August 13 2014 01:32 disciple wrote:

You mean taking chances? Like Barcelonas basketball team participating in smaller tournaments for the buck? I dont think this is exactly what happens with clubs that have multiple sections - those try to legitimize and improve competition in another sport by using their very recognisible brand and probably using their huge fanbase to market their teams in a new sport. Many die hard FC Barcelona fans go to the games of their basketball team to support them although originally those fans may not have a big interest in basketball.

But again, KeSPA is not about protecting player interests, first, it is about protecting sponsorship interests first.

A bustling foreigner scene is as good for Korea as a bustling Korean scene is as good for everyone in the West, surely everyone here believes that, right?

On August 13 2014 01:35 zenxbear wrote:


so Destiny's 4000$ 16 players invitational shouldn't get anything beside rogue players. But Pughy's 1000$ 8 players invitational gets Cure, Solar and Armani from KeSPA!! Let's wait for the Pughy's view ratings, to see who was cocky.

On August 13 2014 01:16 disciple wrote:


I'm not completely sure about KeSPa being in trouble - their teams own really hard in LoL. So while some may feel their SC2 policy should adapt to the current status quo of the scene at the end their players represent the same brands and sponsors as their extremely in demand LoL teams. Imagine Manchester United having another team in a less popular team sport, say field hockey. Now should Manchester United accept playing in a field hockey start up tournament just because financially field hockey is in a worse state than football?