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Insane
United States4991 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On August 13 2014 01:42 JimSocks wrote: there's plenty of famous koreans in the eu & na scene. who cares if he can't get kespa. let them save their own scene, we save ours. I'm sure that there are a ton of people who would love to see people like Flash, Maru, Effort, Rain etc. in smaller tournaments such as this. I know that I would! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote: Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online. Good luck I guess. Here's a paragraph from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about. "investor deck" Do you even know what this is? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9443 Posts
You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online. This almost must be a troll. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
ppl who are hired to make the big decisions have no clue. look at all those kpop songs with broken English. They can't hire one guy to proofread? Half those singers are Korean American and they can't speak up and say we're singing crap English? ppl in charge don't know shit unless it lines their own pockets. | ||
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HoliestBC
6 Posts
On August 13 2014 03:04 TotalBiscuit wrote: Here's a paragraph from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about. "investor deck" Do you even know what this is? I would have thought that the suggestion to personally fly out from the U.S. to Korea for a extremely risky meeting for a $4,000 online tournament was the better indicator of not knowing what one is talking about; a cursory glance at The Google indicates that current plane tickets to Seoul are about $2,000, with hotels being around $150 a night. This doesn't even include the lost revenue if the person in question is making money via streaming etc. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On August 13 2014 03:21 HoliestBC wrote: I would have thought that the suggestion to personally fly out from the U.S. to Korea for a extremely risky meeting for a $4,000 online tournament was the better indicator of not knowing what one is talking about; a cursory glance at The Google indicates that current plane tickets to Seoul are about $2,000, with hotels being around $150 a night. This doesn't even include the lost revenue if the person in question is making money via streaming etc. That was self explanatory. Highlighting something so astonishingly dumb didn't seem necessary, it spoke for itself. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil" And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game... | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On August 13 2014 03:53 showstealer1829 wrote: I really fail to understand this community at times....We complain about the scene shrinking and all and why won't people do anything to save SC2? Or thinks someone isn't being transparent it's "You're wrong and you're evil" Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil" And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game... I just leave it there in my head. People just complain about everything. People who would not be caught dead helping the scene will still go out and complain about one thing or another and say "you should have flown to kespa" out of sheer ignorance or something. I wonder Destiny wholeheartedly expected this kind of thing to happen. He seems like he has a better grasp of the scene than a lot of people so for him to do this tournament, it feels like there might be something else to it. | ||
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stubzi
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Scribe23
Germany2 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
It seems that Kespa's player association is a bit outdated with some of it's policies, but tournaments like this should first test the waters with those outside of KR so Destiny's "brand" tournament-wise can grow and relationships with KeSPA can be developed without any feeling of rushing or bandwagoning. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Great tourney, loved the community vibe and caster rotation. Still laughing at that Kimb3r clown or anyone else who thinks $1800 is even close to fair pay to go through *that much work*. Destiny put this tournament on to be involved in the community and for his love of the game, not because there was any financial incentive. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
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n0ah
United States250 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote: To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep. Because they would want to look out for their players to gain more money and more exposure. W/o foreign supports, SC2 scene would have been dead long time ago. They NEED foreign viewers, not the other way around. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On August 13 2014 05:49 Xiphos wrote: Because they would want to look out for their players to gain more money and more exposure. W/o foreign supports, SC2 scene would have been dead long time ago. They NEED foreign viewers, not the other way around. Actually no they really don't. What they need is their Korean KeSPA sponsors to get value for money. That's actually all they need to stay afloat. What use are foreign viewers to Jin Air when Jin Air is a domestic Korean carrier? None at all. There are certainly some teams that need foreign viewers but they are not the 5 KeSPA teams. The recently adopted Proleague ex-eSF teams like IM/MVP/Prime/Startale, they need foreign viewers. Axiom needs foreign viewers, foreign teams need foreign viewers. KeSPA does not. | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote: To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep. Kespa players have played in the dragon invitationals and dragon doesn't exactly have a sterling history either. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 13 2014 03:53 showstealer1829 wrote: I really fail to understand this community at times....We complain about the scene shrinking and all and why won't people do anything to save SC2? Or thinks someone isn't being transparent it's "You're wrong and you're evil" Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil" And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game... This community is actually quite easy to understand if you just glance at the BW section a bit. A lot of the people complaining about SC2 dying are actually just saying "SC2 needs to die faster so we can have BW back"...or just have some ongoing grudge against any game that killed their BW and want to be angry. Once you learn to tune those people out TL.net becomes a lot more tolerable. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 13 2014 06:20 Darthsanta13 wrote: Kespa players have played in the dragon invitationals and dragon doesn't exactly have a sterling history either. comparing dragon to destiny is apples and oranges. dragon probably knows most of the players in his tournament personally. | ||
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