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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
August 12 2014 17:18 GMT
#501
Surprising how many people here sympathize with KeSPA over this situation. While I can see that people saying Destiny wasn't fully discreet are correct, ultimately I'm inclined to agree with him that even if KeSPA is doing fine in other games, SC2 is struggling. Maybe they don't care about having SC2 continue due to their success in other games, but it sucks for those who do care about SC2.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
August 12 2014 17:34 GMT
#502
On August 13 2014 01:42 JimSocks wrote:
there's plenty of famous koreans in the eu & na scene. who cares if he can't get kespa. let them save their own scene, we save ours.

I'm sure that there are a ton of people who would love to see people like Flash, Maru, Effort, Rain etc. in smaller tournaments such as this. I know that I would!
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 12 2014 18:04 GMT
#503
On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote:
Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.

Good luck I guess.


Here's a paragraph from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about.

"investor deck"

Do you even know what this is?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
August 12 2014 18:18 GMT
#504
You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.


This almost must be a troll.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
August 12 2014 18:18 GMT
#505
From my own personal experience with Asian businesses. Most suck at dealing with English speakers. Ppl who speak fluent English are at the bottom.
ppl who are hired to make the big decisions have no clue.
look at all those kpop songs with broken English. They can't hire one guy to proofread? Half those singers are Korean American and they can't speak up and say we're singing crap English?
ppl in charge don't know shit unless it lines their own pockets.
HoliestBC
Profile Joined October 2011
6 Posts
August 12 2014 18:21 GMT
#506
On August 13 2014 03:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote:
Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.

Good luck I guess.


Here's a paragraph from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about.

"investor deck"

Do you even know what this is?


I would have thought that the suggestion to personally fly out from the U.S. to Korea for a extremely risky meeting for a $4,000 online tournament was the better indicator of not knowing what one is talking about; a cursory glance at The Google indicates that current plane tickets to Seoul are about $2,000, with hotels being around $150 a night. This doesn't even include the lost revenue if the person in question is making money via streaming etc.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 12 2014 18:34 GMT
#507
On August 13 2014 03:21 HoliestBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 03:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 13 2014 01:18 orvinreyes wrote:
Ok, had mad respect at first, but at this rate it just seems like Destiny is being all cocky and not knowing his place in the industry as an indie startup. Unless you have a very attractive investor deck and capture some great sponsors, all you will get are rogue players like MC, Hyun, and other unsigned money-mongering Koreans to play for you. The only alternative is if you have great relations with KeSPA to begin with, which you obviously don't have. You could have personally flown to KeSPA HQ (assume the travel costs in good faith) and presented/negotiated your piece to management, but instead you decide to carelessly lash it out online.

Good luck I guess.


Here's a paragraph from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about.

"investor deck"

Do you even know what this is?


I would have thought that the suggestion to personally fly out from the U.S. to Korea for a extremely risky meeting for a $4,000 online tournament was the better indicator of not knowing what one is talking about; a cursory glance at The Google indicates that current plane tickets to Seoul are about $2,000, with hotels being around $150 a night. This doesn't even include the lost revenue if the person in question is making money via streaming etc.


That was self explanatory. Highlighting something so astonishingly dumb didn't seem necessary, it spoke for itself.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
August 12 2014 18:53 GMT
#508
I really fail to understand this community at times....We complain about the scene shrinking and all and why won't people do anything to save SC2? Or thinks someone isn't being transparent it's "You're wrong and you're evil"

Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil"

And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game...
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 12 2014 19:00 GMT
#509
On August 13 2014 03:53 showstealer1829 wrote:
I really fail to understand this community at times....We complain about the scene shrinking and all and why won't people do anything to save SC2? Or thinks someone isn't being transparent it's "You're wrong and you're evil"

Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil"

And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game...


I just leave it there in my head. People just complain about everything. People who would not be caught dead helping the scene will still go out and complain about one thing or another and say "you should have flown to kespa" out of sheer ignorance or something.

I wonder Destiny wholeheartedly expected this kind of thing to happen. He seems like he has a better grasp of the scene than a lot of people so for him to do this tournament, it feels like there might be something else to it.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
stubzi
Profile Joined April 2013
30 Posts
August 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#510
Really enjoyed your tournament, great casting and games. I laughed many times. Really hope you make this a regular thing Destiny. Also, it makes me happy to see Huk getting so far in tournaments as of late.
Scribe23
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany2 Posts
August 12 2014 20:19 GMT
#511
Really nice work, I enjoyed the Event
Thx Destiny
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 12 2014 20:35 GMT
#512
Hopefully there won't be as much controversy going forward. I understand the statements from both sides and why people feel the way they do, but there is no reason to point fingers and blame a party for something going on here. Obviously Destiny I was successful without KeSPA players, and since KeSPA was quick to deny access to their players, why does Destiny need to even try to get them again? Would the inclusion of certain KeSPA pros really make a difference (that is hard to gauge)?

It seems that Kespa's player association is a bit outdated with some of it's policies, but tournaments like this should first test the waters with those outside of KR so Destiny's "brand" tournament-wise can grow and relationships with KeSPA can be developed without any feeling of rushing or bandwagoning.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 12 2014 20:40 GMT
#513
Kespa acting like shitheads, shocker. I understand they took the official statement of "protecting their brand", but was there *any* risk to the business by having players enter a tournament even if it fell on its face? No, not really.

Great tourney, loved the community vibe and caster rotation.

Still laughing at that Kimb3r clown or anyone else who thinks $1800 is even close to fair pay to go through *that much work*. Destiny put this tournament on to be involved in the community and for his love of the game, not because there was any financial incentive.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
johnbongham
Profile Joined April 2014
451 Posts
August 12 2014 20:45 GMT
#514
To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep.
n0ah
Profile Joined June 2011
United States250 Posts
August 12 2014 20:49 GMT
#515
Does anyone know what music Destiny was playing during the in-between breaks ? He has the same taste in music as I do, but I didn't know some of the artists he was playing. Was it his last.fm account?
If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 12 2014 20:49 GMT
#516
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote:
To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep.


Because they would want to look out for their players to gain more money and more exposure.

W/o foreign supports, SC2 scene would have been dead long time ago. They NEED foreign viewers, not the other way around.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 12 2014 21:02 GMT
#517
On August 13 2014 05:49 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote:
To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep.


Because they would want to look out for their players to gain more money and more exposure.

W/o foreign supports, SC2 scene would have been dead long time ago. They NEED foreign viewers, not the other way around.


Actually no they really don't. What they need is their Korean KeSPA sponsors to get value for money. That's actually all they need to stay afloat. What use are foreign viewers to Jin Air when Jin Air is a domestic Korean carrier? None at all.

There are certainly some teams that need foreign viewers but they are not the 5 KeSPA teams. The recently adopted Proleague ex-eSF teams like IM/MVP/Prime/Startale, they need foreign viewers. Axiom needs foreign viewers, foreign teams need foreign viewers. KeSPA does not.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
August 12 2014 21:20 GMT
#518
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote:
To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep.

Kespa players have played in the dragon invitationals and dragon doesn't exactly have a sterling history either.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 12 2014 21:21 GMT
#519
On August 13 2014 03:53 showstealer1829 wrote:
I really fail to understand this community at times....We complain about the scene shrinking and all and why won't people do anything to save SC2? Or thinks someone isn't being transparent it's "You're wrong and you're evil"

Yet when someone actually not only puts the hard work In and actually a pretty big success of the tournament, pulling numbers a lot of people only dream of and makes just a little money on the side, or is open and transparent about their choices it's.....yep "You're wrong and you're evil"

And people wonder why outsiders say SC2 is a dead game...


This community is actually quite easy to understand if you just glance at the BW section a bit. A lot of the people complaining about SC2 dying are actually just saying "SC2 needs to die faster so we can have BW back"...or just have some ongoing grudge against any game that killed their BW and want to be angry.

Once you learn to tune those people out TL.net becomes a lot more tolerable.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2014 21:25 GMT
#520
On August 13 2014 06:20 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 05:45 johnbongham wrote:
To be quite honest - and nothing personal to Destiny, I enjoyed your tournament from what I saw - Why would Kespa ever in a million years want their players to be in any way associated with a guy that has the public history that Destiny does? Just something to think about. Its cool hes apparently a new person now or something but yeah, dont shit where you sleep.

Kespa players have played in the dragon invitationals and dragon doesn't exactly have a sterling history either.

comparing dragon to destiny is apples and oranges. dragon probably knows most of the players in his tournament personally.
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