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was warned awhile ago...
i looked for a thread and there was none...
decided to make one for those who didn't know the tragedy that befalls on SK
and the maritime laws and implications
that being said, will only post news and not further aggreviate the situation
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A South Korean ferry, MS Sewol was capsized on April 16, 2014.
Registered passengers was said to be about 459 and most of them are students (325) were having a 4 day field trip.
As of this writing 49-58 was confirmed dead.
'Captain as must be last man of to leave on a sinking ship...'
According to International Maritime Organization Law and Tradition of Stewardship does not specify that the captain should stay with his ship but states that the captain, or master, has the ultimate authority aboard his ship. Furthermore, SK's own maritime law somehow explicity says the captain should be held with grave responsibility with abandoning the boat and its passengers in a time of crisis.
If South Korea does not have its own laws that dictate a captain must stay on the ship, Joon-seok may not be charged criminally for leaving the vessel while his passengers were struggling to escape.
In all, the tradition of a captain going down with the ship may be more about personal choice and lore of the sea than legal responsibility.
Sewol's Captain:
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The captain as he 'escapes' the sinking ship
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“I am really sorry and deeply ashamed"
"I'm sorry, I have nothing to say," the captain said, according to South Korean TV network JTBC.
"At the time, the current was very strong, the temperature of the ocean water was cold, and I thought that if people left the ferry without (proper) judgment, if they were not wearing a life jacket, and even if they were, they would drift away and face many other difficulties," Mr Lee told reporters. "The rescue boats had not arrived yet, nor were there any civilian fishing ships or other boats nearby at that time."
Reactions of the captains actions:
"Kids were forced to stay put," one survivor told CNN affiliate YTN, "so only some of those who moved survived."
"We were told to stay where you are, so we kept staying," survivor Hyun Hung Chang told YTN. "But later on, the water level came up. So we were beside ourselves. Kids were screaming out of terror, shouting for help."
"I had to swim a bit to get to the boat to be rescued," Lim Hyung Min, one of more than 300 Seoul high school students who was aboard the ship for a four-day field trip, told CNN affiliate YTN. "The water was so cold and I wanted to live."
“Evil of the Sewol” among bloggers in South Korea
“If it becomes necessary to abandon the ship, the commanding officer should be the last person to leave.”, Mr. Werner Naval History and Heritage Command spokesman
“That guy’s an embarrassment to anybody who’s ever had command at sea,
You can’t take responsibility, or say you do, for nearly 500 souls, and then be the first in the lifeboat,” said John B. Padgett III, a retired United States Navy rear admiral and former submarine captain.
Stories of heroism:
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One, Park Ho-jin, 16, found a 6-year-old girl standing alone and wet on the side of the ship as it was sliding slowly into the water. She had been left there by her older brother who went back into the ship to hunt for their mother. Mr. Park swept the child into his arms and delivered her to rescuers who had pulled a boat alongside the ship. Mr. Park made it onto a later rescue boat.
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Jung Cha Woong was a 17-year old student who took off his own life jacket and gave it to his friend. He was a 3rd level “gumdo” athlete.
Park Ji-young, 22, had helped teenagers to get life jackets and escape by urging them to jump into the frigid waters of the Yellow Sea where rescue boats were waiting. She stayed behind without a life jacket for herself despite the youngsters’ entreaties to jump with them. “After saving you, I will get out,” she said. “The crew goes out last.”
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Surprised it took this long for someone to post a thread like this.
The captain, geezus, the captain. If I had been at the helm and started screaming into the intercom when the ship first started listing:
"The ship is sinking! Aaaaaarrrggggh!!!! Everyone grab a life jacket and get off the boat now or die! Everyone for himself! Waaaaaugh! (Panic, Panic, Panic).
I would have done a better job!
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This type of event scares the hell out of me. I hope parents can find their kids bodies in worst case scenarios.
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You don't have to do that old "captain goes down with his ship tradition", but that dude totally bailed and was self-ish as fuck. There was a pretty small percentage confirmed escaped/safe with a majority missing, so we can only assume those missing are presumed dead after a couple more days pass.
Really a shame, but still doesn't appear to be any cause for the accident yet which is super strange.
R.I.P to those who didn't make it out.
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He wasn't just selfish, he was dumb! If he had screamed in the intercom when the ship first started listing:
"Grab a life jacket and run for your lives! Everyone for himself!"
then things for the most part would have turned out ok.
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Sad about the vice principal who committed suicide believing it was his fault.
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apparently at the time of incident, the ship was controlled by an inexperienced pilot who made a very sharp turn and there is record that says the navigation system had problems 2 weeks ago
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I wouldn't even be mad at the captain if he told everyone to abandon ship and then got off but from what I've read it seems he told everyone to stay where they were and then totally bailed on his own to get on the 1 lifeboat that worked without letting the passengers know. Total scumbag. RIP, I'd say any hope of finding survivors by now is super small unless a handful found an air pocket somewhere.
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Most of the crew will be black-listed from employment in the shipping industry. Some of them will never hold a job in South Korea ever again. Especially if their name shows up on any news posts.
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On April 21 2014 12:37 DwD wrote:
I wouldn't even be mad at the captain if he told everyone to abandon ship and then got off but from what I've read it seems he told everyone to stay where they were and then totally bailed on his own to get on the 1 lifeboat that worked without letting the passengers know. Total scumbag. RIP, I'd say any hope of finding survivors by now is super small unless a handful found an air pocket somewhere.
That's the thing that really got me.
Fucking selfish scumbag, I strongly oppose the death penalty, but would not be sad to see this guy die in any way imaginable.
I mean if you're in that situation, and telling everyone to go crazy, maybe you are much more likely to die, to it is possible he weighed the risks, and live out the rest of his life in shame, having to live with what he did, and not having a decent job for the rest of his life. Life might be worth more than that to him, as I'm sure that'd be the case for many others. But think of how many more could have survived if it wasn't for the selfish actions of this crew.
Just bleh, RIP to all the deceased.
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All these selfish parents taking their anger on divers and people doing the hard work, they ought to be taught a lesson in diving conditions and maritime weather. And the media should emphasize it too. You can't expect divers to go diving in fast currents and limited visibility, they will would have troubles having to rescue their own peers than rather performing the intended tasks.
I don't put all the blame on the captain and recycle what is always said in the thread. Its typical maritime policy to change helm because the trip is over 13 hours long and this is standard ferry trip, you can't expect the captain to be at the helm for that long of a period but to put someone so inexperienced in that position was a mistake. Apparently she over-steered the ship and caused it to tip over, when the ship tilts about 5 degrees, its the point of no return especially when you have all this cargo onboard along with hundreds of passengers. The ship tilted and sunk very quickly too, very short time span.
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On April 21 2014 12:24 marigoldran wrote:
Surprised it took this long for someone to post a thread like this.
The captain, geezus, the captain. If I had been at the helm and started screaming into the intercom when the ship first started listing:
"The ship is sinking! Aaaaaarrrggggh!!!! Everyone grab a life jacket and get off the boat now or die! Everyone for himself! Waaaaaugh! (Panic, Panic, Panic).
I would have done a better job!
literally impossible to know unless youre in the situation.
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On April 21 2014 13:10 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 12:24 marigoldran wrote:
Surprised it took this long for someone to post a thread like this.
The captain, geezus, the captain. If I had been at the helm and started screaming into the intercom when the ship first started listing:
"The ship is sinking! Aaaaaarrrggggh!!!! Everyone grab a life jacket and get off the boat now or die! Everyone for himself! Waaaaaugh! (Panic, Panic, Panic).
I would have done a better job! literally impossible to know unless youre in the situation.
This guy, you're probably going to have less survivors and recoverable bodies. That's reality, you can't control mother nature.
Giant tilting ship + hundreds of panicking floating people in open waters?
edit: I meant to quote marigoldran
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arent the white capsules in the right side of the pic supposed to be lifeboats?
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On April 21 2014 13:18 icystorage wrote:arent the white capsules in the right side of the pic supposed to be lifeboats?
yes, apparently used as decorations
sadly, a naval sailor also died on Saturday on a boat on the way out to help in the search
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To respond to an earlier poster:
Hundreds of panicked people IN the water is better than hundreds of dead people UNDER water.
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The captain was retarded: at the least he should have called for the people to get as high up on the ship as possible instead of telling them to stay IN the ship. Common sense dictates this at least.
Not saying my solution is GOOD. What I'm saying is that my (dumb) solution of getting everyone to jump off the boat ASAP is BETTER than the idiocy this captain decided on and would have saved more lives. And my naval experience is exactly -5.
If the dumb idiotic panicked screaming-your-head-off-like-a-chicken solution is better than what actually happened, I would argue the captains' actions were criminal negligence. The point is if I was the captain I WOULD have done a better job because it's difficult to imagine how anyone could have done a WORSE job than what the actual captain chose to do. He literally chose the WORST possible choice, which means that by default ANYONE else in that situation would have done better as long as they didn't make the same decision.
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On April 21 2014 13:14 Disregard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 13:10 arb wrote:On April 21 2014 12:24 marigoldran wrote:
Surprised it took this long for someone to post a thread like this.
The captain, geezus, the captain. If I had been at the helm and started screaming into the intercom when the ship first started listing:
"The ship is sinking! Aaaaaarrrggggh!!!! Everyone grab a life jacket and get off the boat now or die! Everyone for himself! Waaaaaugh! (Panic, Panic, Panic).
I would have done a better job! literally impossible to know unless youre in the situation. This guy, you're probably going to have less survivors and recoverable bodies. That's reality, you can't control mother nature. Giant tilting ship + hundreds of panicking floating people in open waters? edit: I meant to quote marigoldran
Really dude? The ones who survived were the ones who abandoned ship or went topside. Staying below deck was the absolute worst possible thing to do and that's what the captain ordered, right before he bailed. He could have at least added something like
"Uh, I think you guys should all stay put, but I'm definitely bailing. Just throwing that out there. Feel free to do whatever."
I'm certain I would have done a better job because what the captain did was literally the worst possible choice. Even if I totally pussied out and abandoned ship asap like a coward, I still wouldn't of told everyone else to stay on board. I mean, that doesn't even make sense.
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