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StarStruck
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On April 25 2014 13:06 NNLBboy wrote: Apolgoize but what happen to cause the boat to sink? It is a sad thought of what the Captain did and it is interesting to read the Maritime laws that there is no law that the Captain has to stay intill the boat sinks. I also believe that Captain, yes should be punished but I do pity him seeing how that people are going to seriously pester him and basically make him feel like shit for this rest of his entire life. To answer your question: There IS a law in Korea but let's say there isn't. The Captain is the man of the ship, an adult. He is the #1 man responsible for what goes on the ship, and as such he should have been responsible and made sure everyone could make it out, as many as possible. The very fact that he did not even BOTHER to do so and just cared about saving his own damn ass, and in addition to the fact that the many who died were only students who haven't even experienced the world yet does not even begin to justify his survival. Edit: He even ordered some bullshit to the students, teachers, crews and other people on board about not getting off the ship because it's "safer on board"... and then he's the first to leave the ship and survive. How is that justified, you tell me. He deserves to be publicly shamed and then hanged. Edit edit: To answer your first question, it is suspected that the ship sunk because of additional "renovations" to the ship that could have added on weight, as well as additional cargo and weight on the ship that caused it to tilt over when the ship made a turn. Watch this video: http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/04/23/exp-erin-sot-roden-south-korea-ferry-stability.cnn.html | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote: No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water. Bad. Very, very bad. I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote: I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll. i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
Imagine fighting the current, fighting the poor visibility and finally entering a room, and you see 40 dead high school girls with lifevests floating in water... that's just straight out of some horror film. Nevertheless, it is absolutely necessary to recover the bodies. | ||
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NNLBboy
United States67 Posts
On April 26 2014 21:13 konadora wrote: To answer your question: There IS a law in Korea but let's say there isn't. The Captain is the man of the ship, an adult. He is the #1 man responsible for what goes on the ship, and as such he should have been responsible and made sure everyone could make it out, as many as possible. The very fact that he did not even BOTHER to do so and just cared about saving his own damn ass, and in addition to the fact that the many who died were only students who haven't even experienced the world yet does not even begin to justify his survival. Edit: He even ordered some bullshit to the students, teachers, crews and other people on board about not getting off the ship because it's "safer on board"... and then he's the first to leave the ship and survive. How is that justified, you tell me. He deserves to be publicly shamed and then hanged. Edit edit: To answer your first question, it is suspected that the ship sunk because of additional "renovations" to the ship that could have added on weight, as well as additional cargo and weight on the ship that caused it to tilt over when the ship made a turn. Watch this video: http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/04/23/exp-erin-sot-roden-south-korea-ferry-stability.cnn.html Ha, thank you for answering my question and yes I do understand that this man should be punished to the maximum extent of the law, seeing how like you said he do some bogus evacuation orders. Pretty much a sad thing to think about for those kids. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote: i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents. The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers. Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head. OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/south-korean-prime-minister-resigns-over-ferry-sinking-012926216.html | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 27 2014 13:18 Scarecrow wrote: The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers. Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head. OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On April 27 2014 23:15 StarStruck wrote: Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad. Wouldn't that fall on the shoulders of the Navy? | ||
KwarK
United States44453 Posts
On April 27 2014 23:15 StarStruck wrote: Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad. It's probably harder to identify them as you get them out than it normally would be given how many people died. You've got a fuckload of drowned corpses and their teachers/peers etc died too. Unless you call all the families in and have them sort through the corpses for their own it's not unreasonable that a mixup happens. Having close relatives identify them as they come out isn't practical, especially with the bodies coming in a few at a time with some potentially never getting found. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On April 28 2014 14:46 KwarK wrote: It's probably harder to identify them as you get them out than it normally would be given how many people died. You've got a fuckload of drowned corpses and their teachers/peers etc died too. Unless you call all the families in and have them sort through the corpses for their own it's not unreasonable that a mixup happens. Having close relatives identify them as they come out isn't practical, especially with the bodies coming in a few at a time with some potentially never getting found. This is actually how they have been doing. They basically post on the board "We have a body...male, 180cm, wearing adidas t shirt, blah blah blah, if you think it's your son, come and identify" Since they're high schoolers, they don't have fingerprint data or anything that the gov can possibly use to identify them. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 27 2014 23:10 shin_toss wrote: SK Prime minister resigns? o_o https://ph.news.yahoo.com/south-korean-prime-minister-resigns-over-ferry-sinking-012926216.html So it seems my questions in the thread about why the rescue was not organized sooner were not unfounded. It is good to see that at least in some countries in this world there are honest politicians. | ||
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tylervoss4
182 Posts
My theory is that the captain wanted everyone to stay still since he knew that only few helicopters were on the way and he wanted the fast way out. He overreacted and wanted to be the first one to live, when jumping off the ship could easily have been another solution. The water was calm, and temperature was not too cold. It was only 10 degrees, and as someone mentioned in a previous post, you can survive for multiple hours..... Also, the fishermen at the site quoted, "we didn't see anyone jumping off the ship when we got there, there was literally no one" This makes me even more angry. There were more than enough rescue teams available at the time... Only if the kids just jumped in the water... This is truly the worst tragedy in Korea | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote: ... This makes me even more angry. There were more than enough rescue teams available at the time... Only if the kids just jumped in the water... This is truly the worst tragedy in Korea Indeed. This was, from start to finish, 100% man made disaster which is why it hurts so much. There could have been 0 deaths, but 300 people (250ish of them high schoolers) literally stood still inside a sinking ship and drowned JUST BECAUSE SOME IDIOT CAPTAIN TOLD THEM TO. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote: The water was calm, and temperature was not too cold. It was only 10 degrees, and as someone mentioned in a previous post, you can survive for multiple hours..... It's about 1hour. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote: They released a new video recovered from one of the students whose body was recovered... The students were just laughing about the whole situation, and stayed within their dorm even while the ship was tilting. Meanwhile, they heard multiple announcement from the captain "Please do not move, stay where you are." Can you link this video please? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
It sounds like he is being made a scrapegoat for the convenience of the real corruption that caused the slow responses of the rescue. | ||
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