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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 26 2014 11:36 GMT
#181
That is pretty brutal.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 12:17:47
April 26 2014 12:13 GMT
#182
On April 25 2014 13:06 NNLBboy wrote:
Apolgoize but what happen to cause the boat to sink? It is a sad thought of what the Captain did and it is interesting to read the Maritime laws that there is no law that the Captain has to stay intill the boat sinks. I also believe that Captain, yes should be punished but I do pity him seeing how that people are going to seriously pester him and basically make him feel like shit for this rest of his entire life.

To answer your question:
There IS a law in Korea but let's say there isn't.

The Captain is the man of the ship, an adult. He is the #1 man responsible for what goes on the ship, and as such he should have been responsible and made sure everyone could make it out, as many as possible. The very fact that he did not even BOTHER to do so and just cared about saving his own damn ass, and in addition to the fact that the many who died were only students who haven't even experienced the world yet does not even begin to justify his survival.

Edit: He even ordered some bullshit to the students, teachers, crews and other people on board about not getting off the ship because it's "safer on board"... and then he's the first to leave the ship and survive. How is that justified, you tell me. He deserves to be publicly shamed and then hanged.

Edit edit: To answer your first question, it is suspected that the ship sunk because of additional "renovations" to the ship that could have added on weight, as well as additional cargo and weight on the ship that caused it to tilt over when the ship made a turn. Watch this video: http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/04/23/exp-erin-sot-roden-south-korea-ferry-stability.cnn.html
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 12:23:41
April 26 2014 12:23 GMT
#183
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 12:42:54
April 26 2014 12:42 GMT
#184
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 13:08:31
April 26 2014 13:02 GMT
#185
The water is so murky you can barely see, and water is one of the fastest in Korea. And that's just the physical toll.
Imagine fighting the current, fighting the poor visibility and finally entering a room, and you see 40 dead high school girls with lifevests floating in water... that's just straight out of some horror film.

Nevertheless, it is absolutely necessary to recover the bodies.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
NNLBboy
Profile Joined August 2013
United States67 Posts
April 26 2014 14:59 GMT
#186
On April 26 2014 21:13 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 13:06 NNLBboy wrote:
Apolgoize but what happen to cause the boat to sink? It is a sad thought of what the Captain did and it is interesting to read the Maritime laws that there is no law that the Captain has to stay intill the boat sinks. I also believe that Captain, yes should be punished but I do pity him seeing how that people are going to seriously pester him and basically make him feel like shit for this rest of his entire life.

To answer your question:
There IS a law in Korea but let's say there isn't.

The Captain is the man of the ship, an adult. He is the #1 man responsible for what goes on the ship, and as such he should have been responsible and made sure everyone could make it out, as many as possible. The very fact that he did not even BOTHER to do so and just cared about saving his own damn ass, and in addition to the fact that the many who died were only students who haven't even experienced the world yet does not even begin to justify his survival.

Edit: He even ordered some bullshit to the students, teachers, crews and other people on board about not getting off the ship because it's "safer on board"... and then he's the first to leave the ship and survive. How is that justified, you tell me. He deserves to be publicly shamed and then hanged.

Edit edit: To answer your first question, it is suspected that the ship sunk because of additional "renovations" to the ship that could have added on weight, as well as additional cargo and weight on the ship that caused it to tilt over when the ship made a turn. Watch this video: http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/04/23/exp-erin-sot-roden-south-korea-ferry-stability.cnn.html


Ha, thank you for answering my question and yes I do understand that this man should be punished to the maximum extent of the law, seeing how like you said he do some bogus evacuation orders. Pretty much a sad thing to think about for those kids.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 27 2014 02:59 GMT
#187
So now the PM has resigned what does he have to do with the disaster?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-27 04:27:33
April 27 2014 04:18 GMT
#188
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.

The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers.

Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head.

OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families
Yhamm is the god of predictions
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
April 27 2014 14:10 GMT
#189
SK Prime minister resigns? o_o
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/south-korean-prime-minister-resigns-over-ferry-sinking-012926216.html
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2014 14:15 GMT
#190
On April 27 2014 13:18 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.

The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers.

Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head.

OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families


Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 28 2014 03:17 GMT
#191
On April 27 2014 23:15 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 13:18 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.

The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers.

Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head.

OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families


Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad.


Wouldn't that fall on the shoulders of the Navy?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42688 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 05:46:29
April 28 2014 05:46 GMT
#192
On April 27 2014 23:15 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 13:18 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.

The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers.

Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head.

OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families


Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad.

It's probably harder to identify them as you get them out than it normally would be given how many people died. You've got a fuckload of drowned corpses and their teachers/peers etc died too. Unless you call all the families in and have them sort through the corpses for their own it's not unreasonable that a mixup happens. Having close relatives identify them as they come out isn't practical, especially with the bodies coming in a few at a time with some potentially never getting found.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 28 2014 06:52 GMT
#193
Does anyone know why they can't just flip the ship over and start pumping the water out? They had 5 cranes on standby during the first week.
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 07:14:31
April 28 2014 07:09 GMT
#194
On April 28 2014 14:46 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 23:15 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2014 13:18 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:42 konadora wrote:
On April 26 2014 21:23 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 26 2014 19:30 marigoldran wrote:
No, they ran to the cabin when they realized it was too late to get out. Trying to stay away from the water.

Bad. Very, very bad.

I figured there'd be a few of these rooms deep in the ship. They'd have clustered as they ran from the water then drowned when they couldn't get deeper. I really pity the divers, I'm not sure if it's even worth recovering the bodies when it takes such a psychological toll.

i dont think it's something to be a pity about. if i was a diver, i would have gone way out of the way to recover the bodies because that's the least i could do to bring some form of comfort to the parents.

The least you could do? Really? Risking your life diving in pitch-black corridors with dangerous currents and decomposing children floating out of the darkness. It's a huge sacrifice. Severe trauma doesn't even cover it. Yes, recovering bodies for the parents is important, but you shouldn't underestimate the mental toll on the divers.

Sounds like the PM resignation is over slow response, government fuck-ups on information, lack of oversight/prevention and deregulation. Basically people are really angry and the administration gave them a head.

OH and the government sent some wrong bodies to the wrong families. The mix-up was only discovered by families at the funeral homes...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/south-korea-ferry-remains-dead-wrong-families


Indeed. Anyone saying otherwise, I'd like to see them try to do it as for sending families the wrong bodies. That's pretty bad.

It's probably harder to identify them as you get them out than it normally would be given how many people died. You've got a fuckload of drowned corpses and their teachers/peers etc died too. Unless you call all the families in and have them sort through the corpses for their own it's not unreasonable that a mixup happens. Having close relatives identify them as they come out isn't practical, especially with the bodies coming in a few at a time with some potentially never getting found.

This is actually how they have been doing. They basically post on the board "We have a body...male, 180cm, wearing adidas t shirt, blah blah blah, if you think it's your son, come and identify"

Since they're high schoolers, they don't have fingerprint data or anything that the gov can possibly use to identify them.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 28 2014 09:57 GMT
#195
On April 27 2014 23:10 shin_toss wrote:
SK Prime minister resigns? o_o
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/south-korean-prime-minister-resigns-over-ferry-sinking-012926216.html

So it seems my questions in the thread about why the rescue was not organized sooner were not unfounded. It is good to see that at least in some countries in this world there are honest politicians.

tylervoss4
Profile Joined January 2012
182 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 10:30:10
April 28 2014 10:28 GMT
#196
The rescue mission was just horribly orchestrated. There was no sense of order, no leader, no equipment, and most of all, no sense of urgency. But, if there is one person to blame, its the ship's crew. They released a new video recovered from one of the students whose body was recovered... The students were just laughing about the whole situation, and stayed within their dorm even while the ship was tilting. Meanwhile, they heard multiple announcement from the captain "Please do not move, stay where you are."

My theory is that the captain wanted everyone to stay still since he knew that only few helicopters were on the way and he wanted the fast way out. He overreacted and wanted to be the first one to live, when jumping off the ship could easily have been another solution. The water was calm, and temperature was not too cold. It was only 10 degrees, and as someone mentioned in a previous post, you can survive for multiple hours.....

Also, the fishermen at the site quoted, "we didn't see anyone jumping off the ship when we got there, there was literally no one" This makes me even more angry. There were more than enough rescue teams available at the time... Only if the kids just jumped in the water... This is truly the worst tragedy in Korea
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
April 28 2014 11:06 GMT
#197
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote:
...

This makes me even more angry. There were more than enough rescue teams available at the time... Only if the kids just jumped in the water... This is truly the worst tragedy in Korea


Indeed. This was, from start to finish, 100% man made disaster which is why it hurts so much.
There could have been 0 deaths, but 300 people (250ish of them high schoolers) literally stood still inside a sinking ship and drowned JUST BECAUSE SOME IDIOT CAPTAIN TOLD THEM TO.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
April 28 2014 12:04 GMT
#198
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote:
The water was calm, and temperature was not too cold. It was only 10 degrees, and as someone mentioned in a previous post, you can survive for multiple hours.....


It's about 1hour.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5427 Posts
April 28 2014 13:05 GMT
#199
On April 28 2014 19:28 tylervoss4 wrote:
They released a new video recovered from one of the students whose body was recovered... The students were just laughing about the whole situation, and stayed within their dorm even while the ship was tilting. Meanwhile, they heard multiple announcement from the captain "Please do not move, stay where you are."


Can you link this video please?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 28 2014 13:34 GMT
#200
I'm confused. Is the PM of Korea responsible for the control of the rescue operation?
It sounds like he is being made a scrapegoat for the convenience of the real corruption that caused the slow responses of the rescue.
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