EPTThose crew members who fled without helping others didn't sink with the ship. But most of them are going to wish they had. Their life is going to become a living hell.
South Korean Ferry Disaster - Page 2
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marigoldran
219 Posts
Those crew members who fled without helping others didn't sink with the ship. But most of them are going to wish they had. Their life is going to become a living hell. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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KwarK
United States41662 Posts
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marigoldran
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On April 21 2014 14:56 marigoldran wrote: If he had died with the ship, his life today would be better. So yes, it would have helped. lol... you made an account today, 7 out of your 9 posts was accounted here on this tragedy... for goodness sake, i hope they found the bodies of their dead love ones... no body to mourn for will drive you crazy | ||
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JohnChoi
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
They will find all the bodies I think. Its past the point of finding survivors on the boat. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22402 Posts
On April 21 2014 13:23 riyanme wrote: yes, apparently used as decorations sadly, a naval sailor also died on Saturday on a boat on the way out to help in the search Is there confirmation that those were not life boats but just decorations or likely to give a false sense of security Titanic style? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On April 21 2014 15:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Is there confirmation that those were not life boats but just decorations or likely to give a false sense of security Titanic style? There were lifeboats, apparently 46 and all functional, however apparently the ship tilted too quickly and passengers didn't have time to get to them. Bridge Absence Captain Lee, 69, wasn’t on the bridge at the time of the sinking and he had assigned the third navigation officer to steer the vessel, Park Jae Uck, a prosecutor based in Gwangju, told reporters in Mokpo. “He may have returned to the wheelhouse as the ferry began tilting,” he said. Investigators are probing whether the ferry turned too quickly or abnormally. They declined to say what announcements were made as the ferry sank, or whether passengers were told to stay in their cabins. The 46 lifeboats on board the ferry had been checked on Feb. 10, according to Oh, who hurt his back during his escape. He was dressed in a white hospital gown and had an IV drip attached to his arm. Functional Lifeboats “All of the lifeboats were functional,” he said, sucking on his cigarette. “People came and opened all of them up to check and install them.” Bodies found overnight and today all had life jackets on and weren’t discovered inside the ferry. They may have been trapped under the vessel, the coast guard said. The ferry, owned and operated by privately held Chonghaejin Marine Co., listed and capsized in an area of the ocean as shallow as 20 meters (66 feet) in some parts, based on readings from a coast guard vessel used in the rescue operation. The ferry was en route from Incheon to Jeju island, popular with tourists and honeymooners. “We know the rule,” said Oh. ‘The rule is to help the old and the weak, pregnant women, then other passengers, and then we should leave when it appears all have left, and the captain should abandon ship last.’’ source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-18/korean-crew-tells-of-pandemonium-in-minutes-before-ferry-sinking.html | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
On April 21 2014 15:06 riyanme wrote: lol... you made an account today, 7 out of your 9 posts was accounted here on this tragedy... for goodness sake, i hope they found the bodies of their dead love ones... no body to mourn for will drive you crazy LoL. Well I've been lurking for a loooong time. Sometimes I just like watching things burn. No direct personal attachment, but it reminds me of all of those stories where the captain goes down with the ship. Sometimes they do it for honor, but most of the time they do it because the alternative is worse (think Titanic), which is something this captain's about to discover. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Without knowing what actually happened, it seems too early to criticize how the captain handled the situation. As of right now, it seems like the ferry listed so severely that it was extremely difficult if not impossible to deploy lifeboats. It may have been too late already the moment they executed the turn. I think it would be good to wait before demonizing a guy in a crappy situation. It really is a heart breaking event. | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6175 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On April 21 2014 13:11 Disregard wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27100056 President of ROK such a tool. Could you quote the article? I can't seem to access the link at the moment. Anyway, I think it's a good idea to reserve judgement on the captain until we find out more. I don't think that whole deal about the captain going down with the ship makes any sense, but certainly he should have done everything in his power to help passengers escape. If a genuine mistake was the reason for all those people dying, then that's one thing, but if people died as a direct result of the captain putting his life before theirs, that's totally messed up. As a kid, I always figured boats were safer than planes because if something was wrong with the ship, you could always just jump into the water. Too bad it's not that simple - the water could (as it was in this case) be dangerously cold, and just getting off the boat can be a challenge depending on the circumstances, such as a rapid capsizing. How long does it take for such a boat to capsize, anyway? Like fifteen minutes? Five? | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
What he should have done was to order everyone to get on deck with their life jackets just in case. But he probably didn't do it because that would have been a career-ending move, even if the ship didn't sink. So by trying to save his career, he made everything worse. Thus the tar and the pitch forks. Totally deserved. Finally, the ship was on a busy shipping lane. Anyone who jumped into the water would quickly get rescued. An American or English naval commander guilty of these mistakes would quickly be court-martial-ed, and in the past, shot. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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marigoldran
219 Posts
2. The initial order to stay inside the ship goes against common sense and general regulations. If a ship is listing, the correct order is for ALL non-essential crew members to get to an open area on a ship with life jackets. That way more people live in case the ship sinks. Better safe than sorry. Virtually EVERY British or American naval officer commenting on this disaster agrees on this point. 3. The captain failed to clearly think or show initiative in an otherwise shitty situation. He failed to account for worst-case possibilities and prepare for accordingly. He also failed to account for the fact that on a busy shipping lane, anyone who ends up in the water will be quickly picked up. Perhaps his age (69) was a factor, but this only proves that he was unsuited for command in the first place. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
What he should have done was to order everyone to get on deck with their life jackets just in case. But he probably didn't do it because that would have been a career-ending move, even if the ship didn't sink. So by trying to save his career, he made everything worse. Would it really be that bad to take such a precaution? Like, let's say he did do it, everyone got on deck, turns out nothing happens, false alarm. What would have happened to the captain? and it's a reasonable fear that if you told people to scramble outside when half the ship was already tilting into water that people would get trampled and swept out under the boat which would be a death sentence. Surely there's got to be something between "everybody panic!" and "everyone stay where you are". | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 21 2014 16:58 marigoldran wrote: Complete chaos and panic in this disaster would have saved almost everyone. If everyone had simply put on a life jacket, rushed to the nearest "diving point" and jumped into the water, virtually everyone would have been saved. If the captain had simply ordered that, his career would be ended but many lives would have been saved. You base this on what? Experience? Precedence? You realize people get tramped to death on wide open highways when there's no immediate danger at all during festivals right? Not to mention cramped hallways slanted at near 60 degree+ angles? | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
My point is that the alternative is worse. Sometimes it's simply better to embrace the chaos. There was of course a third alternative involving an orderly evacuation of the ship: but neither the crew, the captain, or the passengers were prepared for that. Given these constraints, the best possible choice was: WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. GET OFF THE SHIP NOW!!! PANIC!!!! It would have saved many more lives. The students who actually chose this path early on survived. EDIT: If the passengers were Chinese, most of the people would have been saved. The exceptions will be the ones who got trampled in the mad rush to the exit. Through long experience, the Chinese have a Darwinian philosophy to disasters like this. | ||
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