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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44321 Posts
On April 21 2014 22:18 sharkie wrote: I don't think I'd ever listen to "stay in your cabins". That's almost the worst thing you can do. Oh don't get me wrong; based on what the captain knew, the captain made an awful decision. I'm merely saying that the average passenger probably wouldn't know exactly what's happening (and certainly not as far in advance as the captain), and so would opt to listen to the captain in emergency situations. So I'm certainly not blaming the passengers for staying on board when the captain says so. | ||
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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
still no new survivor found since day 1 of the sinking ship. Korean live news below the link https://www.youtube.com/user/ytnlive | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
took this ship a long time to sink to a point where to lifeboats were unusable and even longer for it to make evacuations hopeless and it looks like it never sunk to the point where it creates a deadly downward stream for everyone not in a lifeboat. So many people dead is clearly human error. The costa concordia was also really bad, that ship was literally 50 meters away from a shore. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Spritescaper
United States63 Posts
On April 21 2014 22:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Plus, you don't really want to be in freezing water any longer than you have to (hypothermia), and you tend to trust the captain's judgment and instructions, because he's... the captain. This wasn't like the Titanic scenario where the bulk of the passengers froze to death treading in icy waters for hours; rescue helicopters and ships were on sight within minutes of the capsizing, long before the ferry had sunk completely. Survivors were being pulled out of the water by fishing boats that were in the area before the coastguard had even arrived. Had more people disobeyed the captain's orders and abandoned the ferry en masse, it's almost certain that the death toll wouldn't be nearly as high. | ||
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scissorhands
United States68 Posts
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/east-asia/story/south-korea-ferry-disaster-some-heroes-who-risked-their-lives-save-others- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10777483/Korea-ferry-heroes-of-the-Sewol.html | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:48 scissorhands wrote: Not all of the crew members were cowards. There were some (crew and passengers) who stayed behind and died trying to help get people out. http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/east-asia/story/south-korea-ferry-disaster-some-heroes-who-risked-their-lives-save-others- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10777483/Korea-ferry-heroes-of-the-Sewol.html Thank you for these. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On April 21 2014 23:20 MoriyaGXP wrote: Death has increased to 87 now... still no new survivor found since day 1 of the sinking ship. Korean live news below the link https://www.youtube.com/user/ytnlive 6 days now, in cold water, no food, depleting oxygen... it would be a super duper miracle if someone out there is still alive... salvage and retrieval operation is commencing... i wonder if the captain has children... they might be facing embarassment and ridiculed by the people The President: "tantamount to murder," "The actions of the captain and some crew members were utterly incomprehensible, unacceptable, and tantamount to murder," "Not only my heart, but the hearts of all South Koreans have been broken and filled with shock and anger," "This is utterly unimaginable, legally and ethically," Park said the government should review its crisis response system. Park's denunciation, in which she vowed to hold all those responsible for the disaster "criminally accountable," followed the release of a transcript showing the panic and indecision that paralyzed decision-making on the bridge as the 6,825-ton Sewol listed and capsized Wednesday morning. Looks like GUILTY with(out) trail. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Looks like GUILTY with(out) trail. there are certain situations where the proof is so overwhelmingly abundant that everyone knows he's guilty but still the head of state of a country should not be saying a citizen's actions were "tantamount to murder" before a guilty verdict or plea. even when everyone knows the guy did something very wrong public officials shouldn't be saying things like that. other than police and prosecutors because that's part of their job. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44321 Posts
On April 22 2014 00:38 Spritescaper wrote: This wasn't like the Titanic scenario where the bulk of the passengers froze to death treading in icy waters for hours; rescue helicopters and ships were on sight within minutes of the capsizing, long before the ferry had sunk completely. Survivors were being pulled out of the water by fishing boats that were in the area before the coastguard had even arrived. Had more people disobeyed the captain's orders and abandoned the ferry en masse, it's almost certain that the death toll wouldn't be nearly as high. Obviously they should have disobeyed the captain's orders, if they had known that the captain was being a selfish jerk. The reports of the survivors who swam were that the water was freezing, and they had no way of knowing how long until the rescue vehicles were coming, so obviously they're not going to go out of their way to jump into the water if the captain is telling them that they'll be okay on the boat. If they had been made aware of the dire situation as soon as possible, they would have had a much better chance of surviving. | ||
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Spritescaper
United States63 Posts
On April 22 2014 03:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Obviously they should have disobeyed the captain's orders, if they had known that the captain was being a selfish jerk. The reports of the survivors who swam were that the water was freezing, and they had no way of knowing how long until the rescue vehicles were coming, so obviously they're not going to go out of their way to jump into the water if the captain is telling them that they'll be okay on the boat. If they had been made aware of the dire situation as soon as possible, they would have had a much better chance of surviving. That's the tragedy of it, really. The vast majority of the victims were 16-17 year old High School students who were just doing what they were told by an authority figure. I still can't get over the fact that the passengers never got the word to evacuate the ship, and it wasn't until the water started rushing in that they realized they were trapped in a tomb with no way out. Someone (i.e. the captain) plainly screwed up here. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
i cant imagine the chaos inside... no suvivors spotted on the scene... the next time i will be on a boat, i will never ever go to a cabin... would now prefer lodging myself to any class rate with easy access of escaping... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/esEyOHA.png) probably the last survivor ever escaped... just look at the 'sucking' part... give me the creeps how he got out... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/C5Fg5at.png) English Korean newscast breaking news Captain claims that he told passengers to evacuate Excessive load and renovation led to the sinking One of the Sewol engineer attempts suicide following the investigation The marine operators, shareholders were banned to leave the country | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
And yeah everyone that hasn't been rescued is now dead. Either drowning, exposure, lack of fresh water / food. Some people are going down hard for this. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On April 22 2014 05:15 JinDesu wrote: That rescue footage is intense and somewhat horrifying, seeing the ship in that position as rescue boats rush back and forth to save people... yeah i dont know, i think i would have pushed all the people out into the water instead of trying to not get them wet and on the other boat 1 by 1. Its a thing you learn when you make one of those german water rescue qualification thingies; sometimes have to use force to help people, especially when it involves water. I don't know anything about ships, but once a ship is at the point in the OP's pic at 0855 I'm guess it's an unrecoverable position? Just going to make a mental note to get the fuck topside if a bot ever ends up at that kind of angle for a prolonged time. well, if a ship goes into a position where water comes in and it doesnt swing back because of its center of mass quite soon after that, you better go to the top. modern ships have rescue boats all over the place that take less than a minute to get ready, you just get into one and then get a bit of distance from the ship in case it breaks or whatever, which can release quite some force. these big ships....once they are in that position in the picture, their load allready shidted sides and their center of mass then will actively sinks the ship even without water helping. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
But still a heartbreaking story, specially knowing that most of the people below the boat are really young with a lot of life and a great future infront of them. Really maked me sad  .RIP. | ||
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