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On April 21 2014 19:19 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:07 zeo wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. Idk, a 70 year old guy surviving being responsible for the deaths of 200 teenagers is going to piss a lot of people off. I may just be bullshitting on an internet forum but if I were 70 and had the lives of 300 very young people in my hands.... better me than them. Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:35 sharkie wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. what "shame" is punishment enough please? He will keep living and hundreds are dead Why are we making him sound so responsible though - can he invoke on ancestral superpowers and keep the boat floating, or what? Ok, perhaps if he's on the ball and starts organizing shit a few less people die... but to imply he's responsible for hundreds dying?! wtf
Supposedly, he was not even doing his job and had a rookie with like 5 weeks (or 5 months?) experience at the ship's wheel.
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Ah I see, if these things are true it makes sense that people are majorly pissed
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There's also the minor point that the captain ordered people to remain in their cabins when the ship started listing. By the time they realized their mistake, it was already too late.
And then the crew ran for the lifeboats.
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On April 21 2014 19:26 marigoldran wrote:
There's also the minor point that the captain ordered people to remain in their cabins when the ship started listing. By the time they realized their mistake, it was already too late.
And then the crew ran for the lifeboats.
The captain is... like beyond wow with his actions. While almost all of his passengers were in a dying ship, he ran for it. it should have been obvious when the ship was listing to heavily to evac for safety. No captain should be this stupid. I HOPE S. Korea prosecutes his ass and his entire crew for murder. You should never seen any stuff like this happen with ships in the modern area.
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On April 21 2014 19:19 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:07 zeo wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. Idk, a 70 year old guy surviving being responsible for the deaths of 200 teenagers is going to piss a lot of people off. I may just be bullshitting on an internet forum but if I were 70 and had the lives of 300 very young people in my hands.... better me than them. Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:35 sharkie wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. what "shame" is punishment enough please? He will keep living and hundreds are dead Why are we making him sound so responsible though - can he invoke on ancestral superpowers and keep the boat floating, or what? Ok, perhaps if he's on the ball and starts organizing shit a few less people die... but to imply he's responsible for hundreds dying?! wtf
He ordered them to stay in their cabins due to fear of them drifting away. Consequently they became trapped and died. Yes, I would say there's a good chance he's responsible for hundreds of deaths.
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On April 21 2014 19:19 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:07 zeo wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. Idk, a 70 year old guy surviving being responsible for the deaths of 200 teenagers is going to piss a lot of people off. I may just be bullshitting on an internet forum but if I were 70 and had the lives of 300 very young people in my hands.... better me than them. Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 18:35 sharkie wrote:On April 21 2014 17:56 n0ise wrote:
Honestly, guy's like 70 and probably just completely panicked - the shame he'll live with is punishment enough.
Massive kudos to those who helped with the rescue, esp Park Ji-young, 22, who's body was later found. what "shame" is punishment enough please? He will keep living and hundreds are dead Why are we making him sound so responsible though - can he invoke on ancestral superpowers and keep the boat floating, or what? Ok, perhaps if he's on the ball and starts organizing shit a few less people die... but to imply he's responsible for hundreds dying?! wtf
A captain on a ship/plane is always responsible for his/her passengers. This is true for every single country out there that has Ships and Airplanes.
This captain told his passengers to stay put, which they did, and when the ship was clearly going to sink, HE RAN. He was one of the very first to ditch the ship and left his passengers there. All of them who followed HIS instructions died with the ship.
So yes, he is absolutely responsible for 200+ deaths that should have never had happened in the first place. The ones who are alive were the ones who didn't listen and ditched the ship.
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On April 21 2014 17:15 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 14:53 iTzSnypah wrote:
I blame the boat. All inputs should be regulated by a computer (like modern fighter jets), making it impossible for tragedies like this to happen. Inputs are regulated by computer in modern fighter jets so that the jets can be built instable and be not impossible to fly.
You forgot to include that the computer also limits how many Gs you can pull (because the pilot can't even come close to what the machine can operate at), which what my analogy was alluding to.
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While I don't know how I feel about the "Captain goes down with his ship/ must know for sure that everyone else is off before tending to his own safety" mantra, this captain literally told his passengers to wait on board- rather than try to escape- while he ensured his own life first... and so he's almost certainly responsible for the deaths of all those kids, as some of those deaths were probably preventable, had he at least treated the importance of their lives equally to his own. Their blood is on his hands because of his actions, and it's quite a tragedy. What an awful "captain".
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For those saying he shouldn't have put such an inexperienced person at the helm, recognize that that's actually very common on some types of ships and boats, such as aircraft carriers and submarines. Of course, they are carefully supervised by experienced sailors... not just left to their own devices.
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So, what exactly happened? It hit an underwater rock and just rolled over and sank or something?
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/R1S7VRK.png)
looking back at the pic again, the captain looks like 'death'
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Really tragic story on many levels.
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When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater?
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On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater?
if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked
@icystorage below
i would rather take my chances than wait for my impending doom...
but taking a plunge over a 10-18 degrees... i might reconsider and make a 'macgyver'
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he's also afraid that if he let the passengers abandon ship, they might drift away.
there's a transmission script from that news article roughly summarizing, the captain is asking if they can rescue the passengers right away, if not then he let them stay put in the ship
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On April 21 2014 22:09 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater? if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked
Plus, you don't really want to be in freezing water any longer than you have to (hypothermia), and you tend to trust the captain's judgment and instructions, because he's... the captain.
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On April 21 2014 22:09 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater? if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked
Eh, I'd gladly risk being sucked in as opposed to 100% guaranteed death trapped in a sinking ship. I think we can all agree the captain made the absolute worst sequence of decisions. He probably could have saved more lives if he went below deck with a gun and started shooting randomly. You know you screwed up real bad somewhere when mass murder could have saved more lives than the course of action you chose.
On April 21 2014 22:13 icystorage wrote:
he's also afraid that if he let the passengers abandon ship, they might drift away.
there's a transmission script from that news article roughly summarizing, the captain is asking if they can rescue the passengers right away, if not then he let them stay put in the ship
Which could be very reasonable, if he actually thought that was the right course of action.
"Hey, uh, you guys stay put! That's the safest bet."
"But.. where are you going?"
"Oh, I'm getting the hell out of here, this ship is sinking."
Like, I understand strong currents are super dangerous and the waters were cold.. but that's exactly where the boat is headed.
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On April 21 2014 22:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 22:09 riyanme wrote:On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater? if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked Plus, you don't really want to be in freezing water any longer than you have to (hypothermia), and you tend to trust the captain's judgment and instructions, because he's... the captain.
I don't think I'd ever listen to "stay in your cabins".
That's almost the worst thing you can do.
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On April 21 2014 22:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 22:09 riyanme wrote:On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater? if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked Plus, you don't really want to be in freezing water any longer than you have to (hypothermia), and you tend to trust the captain's judgment and instructions, because he's... the captain.
this is actually pretty valid (im not defending the captain). hypothermia is also very dangerous, especially if there are only 2(?) lifeboats activated
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Austria18724 Posts
On April 21 2014 22:25 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 22:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 21 2014 22:09 riyanme wrote:On April 21 2014 22:03 FoxShine wrote:
When I heard about this I was baffled.. I mean, you would have better luck treading water for as long as you could than inside your cabin.. If the boat is indeed sinking, what is the logic behind staying in the cabins. When he gave the order for them to stay inside the cabin, at that time, was he fully aware the ship was for sure going to sink? Or is it like the ship would pull you underwater? if im not mistaken, you need to be 20 meters away from a sinking vessel in order not to be sucked Plus, you don't really want to be in freezing water any longer than you have to (hypothermia), and you tend to trust the captain's judgment and instructions, because he's... the captain. this is actually pretty valid (im not defending the captain). hypothermia is also very dangerous, especially if there are only 2(?) lifeboats activated
only 2 lifeboats were activated because there was no evacuation happening
I am 100% sure evacuation was called so late because the captain didn't want to "lose face" in case everything is alright.
I don't see one logical reason the crew did not order an evacuation right after they noticed the accident.
It is all about the risk of losing face
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