EPT2014 Code S Season 2 Player List Finalized - Page 4
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DBS
515 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote: We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance That would actually be welcome just to shush the balance whining Terran's that have appeared of late. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote: We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance You can't really consider Maru as a contender with heavy-Zerg lineup. Last season - yes, right now - not so sure + he struggles in Proleague suddenly as well. SuNo will go out in Ro32 again, Bbyong will probably go in Ro32 this time too. InNoVation is only hope, can't wait for Artosis to hype him. Even though, it's all about group draws. If Bogus hits many Zergs, i'm not scared for him, if suddenly he gets cheeky Protosses like TAiLS or Ruin with his intelligent style + there is 62,5% chance that he will get Protoss from last season Ro8, things might change a lot, because every Protoss from last season Ro8 has sick PvT. herO is probably my main favourite this season, alongside with sOs. If draws are good, PartinG can go deep, Soulkey and Rogue are probably main Zergs contenders and i want soO to win GSL finally. + There is our beauty Zest, and i'm soooo interested to see how will he do. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote: We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance Speaking as a huge Innovation fan, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He's a better SC2 Flash - the kind of player who needs a stable meta to be able to excel. Don't forget that in S1 of last year, he was dismantling Soulkey in macro games. It wasn't close. Now he goes 2-1 against Dark? Who the fuck is Dark compared to Soulkey? I won't be a tiny bit surprised to see Inno drop out in ro32. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote: We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance Supernova was lucky that he played a TvT and a TvZ to qualify He's going to bomb out if he has to play PvT, he's just not good in that matchup | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
doesn't maru and winnovations gonna win everything anyways. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On April 19 2014 07:21 Cheren wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4333_2014_HOT6IX_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2:_Code_A Terrans went 12-16 in TvZ and 12-11 in TvP. People are complaining sure but there weren't that many Terrans to begin with and there were a lot of 1-2 losses. Yeah, but that's still not good. With only one seeded Terran, all the S tiered Terrans should have been crushing Code A - we had something similar back in the Dark Age of Protoss, when every Protoss got kicked out of Code S, they still did well in Code A because Code A was filled with A-tier Terrans, A-tier Zergs and S-tier Protoss. The fact that Terran basically broke even in this Code A should be worrying. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Thank. fucking. god. This is bad news for me though because that means the next few months I'm going to be tired as shit at work. Totally worth it. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On April 19 2014 07:21 Cheren wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4333_2014_HOT6IX_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2:_Code_A Terrans went 12-16 in TvZ and 12-11 in TvP. People are complaining sure but there weren't that many Terrans to begin with and there were a lot of 1-2 losses. I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote: I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. On April 19 2014 12:08 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Yeah, but that's still not good. With only one seeded Terran, all the S tiered Terrans should have been crushing Code A - we had something similar back in the Dark Age of Protoss, when every Protoss got kicked out of Code S, they still did well in Code A because Code A was filled with A-tier Terrans, A-tier Zergs and S-tier Protoss. The fact that Terran basically broke even in this Code A should be worrying. Except the top terrans in Code A (Flash, TY, Fantasy) all did really well against Protoss. They got knocked out by Zergs. The more mediocre terrans like Cure and Reality make up most of the losses, but another non-top Terran, Journey, also did well against Protoss. For fucks sake, Journey beating Dear isn't an example of an S-tier terran beating an A-tier protoss. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote: I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 19 2014 13:05 pure.Wasted wrote: It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S. 33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race. Want more numbers? Here's a qualifier with every Korean who didn't make a finals this season. Terran went 14-24 in TvZ, and 15-12 in TvP. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4332_2014_GSL_GC_Qual | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 19 2014 13:07 Cheren wrote: 33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race. The stats of this particular Code A notwithstanding, I'd say that TvZ and TvP are about even in terms of how messed up they are, and I implied as much earlier on this page when I pointed out that Innovation can't even 2-0 Dark now, when he used to be able to wipe the floor with Soulkey in macro games. The difference is the lost TvZ games don't usually feel unwinnable, whereas the Protoss ones often do, so it's easier to hate Protoss. Want more numbers? Here's a qualifier with every Korean who didn't make a finals this season. Terran went 14-24 in TvZ, and 15-12 in TvP. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4332_2014_GSL_GC_Qual Look at the lineups.... there are twice as many super talented Zergs in there as there are Protoss. It's not comparable. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote: Except the top terrans in Code A (Flash, TY, Fantasy) all did really well against Protoss. They got knocked out by Zergs. The more mediocre terrans like Cure and Reality make up most of the losses, but another non-top Terran, Journey, also did well against Protoss. For fucks sake, Journey beating Dear isn't an example of an S-tier terran beating an A-tier protoss. Why did you quote my post exactly? Does this have anything to do with what I posted? | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 19 2014 13:14 pure.Wasted wrote: The stats of this particular Code A notwithstanding, I'd say that TvZ and TvP are about even in terms of how messed up they are, and I implied as much earlier on this page when I pointed out that Innovation can't even 2-0 Dark now, when he used to be able to wipe the floor with Soulkey in macro games. The difference is the lost TvZ games don't usually feel unwinnable, whereas the Protoss ones often do, so it's easier to hate Protoss. Look at the lineups.... there are twice as many super talented Zergs in there as there are Protoss. It's not comparable. Yeah any sort of discussion about this always ends with "Zerg and Terran players are better than Protosses who only win because they abuse their race, so they deserve to win more." | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 19 2014 13:19 Cheren wrote: Yeah any sort of discussion about this always ends with "Zerg and Terran players are better than Protosses who only win because they abuse their race, so they deserve to win more." In regard to my last comment though, I should perhaps clarify that when I say 'super talented Zergs' I don't mean my own subjective opinion, I mean results. Parting, Rain, herO are the only superstar Protoss on that list, whereas for Zerg there's Jaedong, Life, Curious, Roro, Soulkey, Symbol... it doesn't surprise me that they did much better. It's all good, man. o.o | ||
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