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On April 19 2014 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
If he shows anything like the form he did in his peak phase Innovation with a Code S this stacked with Zergs could be pretty damn entertaining to watch
He admitted to not being as comfortable in the matchup anymore and has lost a some more zergs recently including ByuL in the Code A qualifiers. Dark played him relatively close, too.
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well indeed these are only 4 terrans but all of them are powerhouses (even Bbyong) !!
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Rooting hard for my man INnoVation !!! Also Maruuuu and I guess Supernova is pretty awesome as well :D
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On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join.
This is so TRUE...
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Even in the case that the increase of terrans would be exponential, we'd only get one new terran per season T.T
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It turns out that when Terrans are whining about how TvP is imba, it's been the Zergs that are smashing their faces harder.
Still +1 Terran, there's SOME improvement I guess lol.
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DRG finally will claim title #2
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Yeah it looks like us terrans are going to have to whine about Zergs in the near future :D
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On April 19 2014 09:02 dyDrawer wrote:
It turns out that when Terrans are whining about how TvP is imba, it's been the Zergs that are smashing their faces harder.
Still +1 Terran, there's SOME improvement I guess lol.
Lol. Yeah Zergs has been doing extremely well even on GMs
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i think another problem is that there just aren't that many good terrans overall left. even if you included mma, taeja, polt and bomber it would still be laughable.
the terran race is a dying one. too hard to learn and not enough results to show for the hard work. after we laughed about foreign terrans going extinct we might very well see the same phenomenon with the korean terran too. at least if gumiho hack ty flash fantasy cure and others don't step up their game drastically.
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Never thought i'd say this, but.. Gogo terrans!
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On April 19 2014 09:14 Tanzklaue wrote:
i think another problem is that there just aren't that many good terrans overall left. even if you included mma, taeja, polt and bomber it would still be laughable.
the terran race is a dying one. too hard to learn and not enough results to show for the hard work. after we laughed about foreign terrans going extinct we might very well see the same phenomenon with the korean terran too. at least if gumiho hack ty flash fantasy cure and others don't step up their game drastically.
How come Dream is never mentioned with the good Terran's still in Korea? He has shown strong play before and came close to qualifying for Code S last season during the Protoss Golden Era.
But you think about Flash, TY, and FanTaSy are supposed to be some of the top tier Terran's in Korea right now but for whatever reason they seem to under perform in Individual leagues. They need to step it up if the Terran race is going to survive in Korea o.O
Also, I think the Widow Mine buff to shields should go through against Zerg as well. As much as people bitched about it back before it got nerfed, that was arguably the most balanced TvZ has been in HotS. Zerg's were starting to figure out how to beat the parade pushing already before the Nerf, and those were some of the most exciting games to watch. I think some kind of buff to the widow mine in all matchups would be beneficial as it gives Terran a unit that doesn't necessarily require an insane skill ceiling to use correctly, but can still be maximized by a highly skilled player. Although if the Widow mine damage was increased the buff against Shields might have to be tweaked, but that's not that big of a deal and shouldn't be too hard. But I do think that would help Terran's out in TvZ where they seem to be struggling ever since the widow mine was nerfed.
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On April 19 2014 08:55 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
If he shows anything like the form he did in his peak phase Innovation with a Code S this stacked with Zergs could be pretty damn entertaining to watch He admitted to not being as comfortable in the matchup anymore and has lost a some more zergs recently including ByuL in the Code A qualifiers. Dark played him relatively close, too.
Yeah Inno doesn't really like TvZ at the moment :/ I still believe though!
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No Terran again? Skipping another GSL ....
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Before the balance talk escalates. Flash, Fantasy, TY, and Reality all had prime chances to advance and screwed themselves over with really sub-par performances
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Innovation gonna win the whole damn thing. gogogogogogogogo
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Terran the only hope. 
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lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^
all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn  as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^
On April 19 2014 09:49 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
No Terran again? Skipping another GSL ....
so four is the new zero ? ... expect the 4 "idiots" (sry but ty fantasy flash and reality screwed themself they could easy advance) there is no terran left ^^ all on us and eu as mentioned ^^
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On April 19 2014 10:14 Drake wrote:lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^ all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^
lol, and that is why terrans are dominating WCS NA and EU, right??? We might have bigger terran names in NA/EU, but the korean protoss and zergs playing in NA/EU are still doing just as good as the big name terrans.
Yes, some terrans did play poorly and did not advance. But at the end of the day, we can also go back to the GomTvT era or BL/infestor era and point out where players made mistakes and lost games as well. No player plays the 'perfect' game. It isn't like all the zergs and protosses were playing perfectly either. We could also say the 3 terrans were lucky to get through because their opponents played poorly as well.
Things like margin of error is exactly what balance is all about. You cannot balance around players playing perfectly or things like widows mines, 2 rax, fungal, MSC nerf would never have gotten nerfed. All those things CAN be countered, but if countering it is a lot more difficult than executing it, then you have balance issues.
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And why isn't there many terrans? Win rates are only valid if you have fairly equal representation to begin with. For Code A, you actually had the rank 2nd to 10th terran playing against rank 5th - 24th protoss and rank 4-24th zerg. So terrans should have better than 50% win rate.
I think one problem is the lack of playstyles that is available for terran. Basically if you look at all the successful terrans, they all need to be able to play macro games to win while defending all-ins. There are very few mindgame/tricky/surprise strategies available for terrans. There are quite a few protoss/zergs known for their mind games and tricky builds. How many terrans are know for that right now? All of them have to play strong macro games (with a couple cheeses thrown in here and there). So basically the player pool for terran has shrunk.
The early game scouting options for terran is just really bad. They need to balance the reaper so that opening reaper first isn't as big a hit on the eco/tech without making mass reaper builds OP.
Maps are also an issue. There are protoss favored maps and zerg favored maps in the map pool. But there isn't really a terran favor maps. When terrans get map pick, the best there can do is pick a 'even' map. There is a huge deal in Bo3s.
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