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Each race has a 4 in it's player number. Game balanced.
In all seriousness tho, I'm liking this Code S. Still not enough terrans, but at least Innovation's back!
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China6330 Posts
Four Terrans! That's one more! Seriously why Flash, TY and Fantasy just can't perform in individual leagues?
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United States97276 Posts
Can't wait for the groups to be announced!
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I'd laugh if the four Terrans somehow ended up in the same group.
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On April 19 2014 07:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'd laugh if the four Terrans somehow ended up in the same group.
best case szenario, 2 terrans guaranteed ro16
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On April 19 2014 07:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'd laugh if the four Terrans somehow ended up in the same group.
not possible given GSL point rankings
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On April 19 2014 07:14 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 07:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'd laugh if the four Terrans somehow ended up in the same group. not possible given GSL point rankings
Had a feeling it was impossible but I can dream.
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only inno is new on the terrans list
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Bbyong continues to channel the spirit of Ensnare/Virus
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33% increase in terrans compared to last season, when is Blizzard going to doing something?
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Prediction: every season a new terran will join Code S. In a few years, Terran will be the only race in GSL.
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Terrans, Terrans everywhere!
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Pandemona
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Terran ;_;
Oh gosh. Gl Maru, hope to see you powning and taking this one :D
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When will we get the groups?
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So can we have an all terran Ro32 group so we can get some Code S TvT?
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On April 19 2014 07:29 Dunmer wrote:
So can we have an all terran Ro32 group so we can get some Code S TvT?
no but they could do it in ro16. or just have an all Terran top 4, i'm fine with that.
also: IM players and Supernova hwaiting!!!
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I don't see how having the same terrans that made it last season is super awesome. Oh no now innovation is also back? ok...
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On April 19 2014 07:37 zeratul_jf wrote:
I don't see how having the same terrans that made it last season is super awesome. Oh no now innovation is also back? ok...
It isn't. Most of the people saying it is are being sarcastic.
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I didn't realize Stork made it until I read this article. Awesome. My favorite BWplayer making some progress! :D
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Well at least the terrans who made it in are pretty good players
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When you think that:
MMA
TaeJa
Bomber
jjakji
Polt
aLive
Are all potentially missing from this list due to playing in other regions, it's not hard to believe that the Terran participants are lower than usual.
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
There's plenty of other decent Terrans in Korea, there are a lot of good Protoss and Zergs playing in other regions as well and those races don't have a problem with representation.
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wow, only 4 terrans? They will have to prove themselves.
Still, pretty good names, maybe I would have liked to some some more known names, but they can't have everyone in code S.
gl to them
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When you think that Flash, Ty, Fantasy, reality and many other proleague terrans that are doing well are playing in Korea. Its hard to believe that the Terran participants are lower than usual.
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On April 19 2014 07:19 FlyingSteaks wrote:
33% increase in terrans compared to last season, when is Blizzard going to doing something?
33% is a huge increase. wtf are u talking about. meanwhile there's 2 less toss. buff plz :D
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Well, 100% of last season's Code S terrans made it back, AND they improved their participation by 33%. Nerfs incoming?
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Terran imba !
Maybe with new maps for his season a terran could make it into a finals.
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33% is insignificant value here... only 1 was added
will be surprised if its maru vs inno on finals...
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Terran this, terran that. All I can say is LEEEENNOCK's back!
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Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join.
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On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join.
I'm not sure who the current TvZ hope is supposed to be. Innovation?
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your Country52797 Posts
Top four is going to be TAiLS, Maru, Innovation, and Bbyong. TAiLS will win it all.
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
If he shows anything like the form he did in his peak phase Innovation with a Code S this stacked with Zergs could be pretty damn entertaining to watch
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Blame the zergs for this not Protoss
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On April 19 2014 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
If he shows anything like the form he did in his peak phase Innovation with a Code S this stacked with Zergs could be pretty damn entertaining to watch
He admitted to not being as comfortable in the matchup anymore and has lost a some more zergs recently including ByuL in the Code A qualifiers. Dark played him relatively close, too.
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well indeed these are only 4 terrans but all of them are powerhouses (even Bbyong) !!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Rooting hard for my man INnoVation !!! Also Maruuuu and I guess Supernova is pretty awesome as well :D
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On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join.
This is so TRUE...
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Even in the case that the increase of terrans would be exponential, we'd only get one new terran per season T.T
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It turns out that when Terrans are whining about how TvP is imba, it's been the Zergs that are smashing their faces harder.
Still +1 Terran, there's SOME improvement I guess lol.
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DRG finally will claim title #2
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Yeah it looks like us terrans are going to have to whine about Zergs in the near future :D
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On April 19 2014 09:02 dyDrawer wrote:
It turns out that when Terrans are whining about how TvP is imba, it's been the Zergs that are smashing their faces harder.
Still +1 Terran, there's SOME improvement I guess lol.
Lol. Yeah Zergs has been doing extremely well even on GMs
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i think another problem is that there just aren't that many good terrans overall left. even if you included mma, taeja, polt and bomber it would still be laughable.
the terran race is a dying one. too hard to learn and not enough results to show for the hard work. after we laughed about foreign terrans going extinct we might very well see the same phenomenon with the korean terran too. at least if gumiho hack ty flash fantasy cure and others don't step up their game drastically.
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Never thought i'd say this, but.. Gogo terrans!
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On April 19 2014 09:14 Tanzklaue wrote:
i think another problem is that there just aren't that many good terrans overall left. even if you included mma, taeja, polt and bomber it would still be laughable.
the terran race is a dying one. too hard to learn and not enough results to show for the hard work. after we laughed about foreign terrans going extinct we might very well see the same phenomenon with the korean terran too. at least if gumiho hack ty flash fantasy cure and others don't step up their game drastically.
How come Dream is never mentioned with the good Terran's still in Korea? He has shown strong play before and came close to qualifying for Code S last season during the Protoss Golden Era.
But you think about Flash, TY, and FanTaSy are supposed to be some of the top tier Terran's in Korea right now but for whatever reason they seem to under perform in Individual leagues. They need to step it up if the Terran race is going to survive in Korea o.O
Also, I think the Widow Mine buff to shields should go through against Zerg as well. As much as people bitched about it back before it got nerfed, that was arguably the most balanced TvZ has been in HotS. Zerg's were starting to figure out how to beat the parade pushing already before the Nerf, and those were some of the most exciting games to watch. I think some kind of buff to the widow mine in all matchups would be beneficial as it gives Terran a unit that doesn't necessarily require an insane skill ceiling to use correctly, but can still be maximized by a highly skilled player. Although if the Widow mine damage was increased the buff against Shields might have to be tweaked, but that's not that big of a deal and shouldn't be too hard. But I do think that would help Terran's out in TvZ where they seem to be struggling ever since the widow mine was nerfed.
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On April 19 2014 08:55 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
If he shows anything like the form he did in his peak phase Innovation with a Code S this stacked with Zergs could be pretty damn entertaining to watch He admitted to not being as comfortable in the matchup anymore and has lost a some more zergs recently including ByuL in the Code A qualifiers. Dark played him relatively close, too.
Yeah Inno doesn't really like TvZ at the moment :/ I still believe though!
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No Terran again? Skipping another GSL ....
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Before the balance talk escalates. Flash, Fantasy, TY, and Reality all had prime chances to advance and screwed themselves over with really sub-par performances
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Innovation gonna win the whole damn thing. gogogogogogogogo
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Terran the only hope. 
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lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^
all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn  as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^
On April 19 2014 09:49 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
No Terran again? Skipping another GSL ....
so four is the new zero ? ... expect the 4 "idiots" (sry but ty fantasy flash and reality screwed themself they could easy advance) there is no terran left ^^ all on us and eu as mentioned ^^
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On April 19 2014 10:14 Drake wrote:lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^ all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^
lol, and that is why terrans are dominating WCS NA and EU, right??? We might have bigger terran names in NA/EU, but the korean protoss and zergs playing in NA/EU are still doing just as good as the big name terrans.
Yes, some terrans did play poorly and did not advance. But at the end of the day, we can also go back to the GomTvT era or BL/infestor era and point out where players made mistakes and lost games as well. No player plays the 'perfect' game. It isn't like all the zergs and protosses were playing perfectly either. We could also say the 3 terrans were lucky to get through because their opponents played poorly as well.
Things like margin of error is exactly what balance is all about. You cannot balance around players playing perfectly or things like widows mines, 2 rax, fungal, MSC nerf would never have gotten nerfed. All those things CAN be countered, but if countering it is a lot more difficult than executing it, then you have balance issues.
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And why isn't there many terrans? Win rates are only valid if you have fairly equal representation to begin with. For Code A, you actually had the rank 2nd to 10th terran playing against rank 5th - 24th protoss and rank 4-24th zerg. So terrans should have better than 50% win rate.
I think one problem is the lack of playstyles that is available for terran. Basically if you look at all the successful terrans, they all need to be able to play macro games to win while defending all-ins. There are very few mindgame/tricky/surprise strategies available for terrans. There are quite a few protoss/zergs known for their mind games and tricky builds. How many terrans are know for that right now? All of them have to play strong macro games (with a couple cheeses thrown in here and there). So basically the player pool for terran has shrunk.
The early game scouting options for terran is just really bad. They need to balance the reaper so that opening reaper first isn't as big a hit on the eco/tech without making mass reaper builds OP.
Maps are also an issue. There are protoss favored maps and zerg favored maps in the map pool. But there isn't really a terran favor maps. When terrans get map pick, the best there can do is pick a 'even' map. There is a huge deal in Bo3s.
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We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance
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holy shit stork? what the hell
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On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance
That would actually be welcome just to shush the balance whining Terran's that have appeared of late.
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On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance
You can't really consider Maru as a contender with heavy-Zerg lineup.
Last season - yes, right now - not so sure + he struggles in Proleague suddenly as well.
SuNo will go out in Ro32 again, Bbyong will probably go in Ro32 this time too.
InNoVation is only hope, can't wait for Artosis to hype him. Even though, it's all about group draws. If Bogus hits many Zergs, i'm not scared for him, if suddenly he gets cheeky Protosses like TAiLS or Ruin with his intelligent style + there is 62,5% chance that he will get Protoss from last season Ro8, things might change a lot, because every Protoss from last season Ro8 has sick PvT.
herO is probably my main favourite this season, alongside with sOs.
If draws are good, PartinG can go deep, Soulkey and Rogue are probably main Zergs contenders and i want soO to win GSL finally.
+ There is our beauty Zest, and i'm soooo interested to see how will he do.
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On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance
Speaking as a huge Innovation fan, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He's a better SC2 Flash - the kind of player who needs a stable meta to be able to excel. Don't forget that in S1 of last year, he was dismantling Soulkey in macro games. It wasn't close. Now he goes 2-1 against Dark? Who the fuck is Dark compared to Soulkey?
I won't be a tiny bit surprised to see Inno drop out in ro32.
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On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance
Supernova was lucky that he played a TvT and a TvZ to qualify
He's going to bomb out if he has to play PvT, he's just not good in that matchup
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4 terrans ?
doesn't maru and winnovations gonna win everything anyways.
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United States23455 Posts
Very slowly, terran will get to a full 32 in Code S, increasing in number by 1 per season.
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Yeah, but that's still not good. With only one seeded Terran, all the S tiered Terrans should have been crushing Code A - we had something similar back in the Dark Age of Protoss, when every Protoss got kicked out of Code S, they still did well in Code A because Code A was filled with A-tier Terrans, A-tier Zergs and S-tier Protoss. The fact that Terran basically broke even in this Code A should be worrying.
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HOLY SHIT?! LEENOCK IS IN CODE S?!!?!!?! AGAINNN?!!?!?!
Thank. fucking. god. This is bad news for me though because that means the next few months I'm going to be tired as shit at work. Totally worth it.
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Well I don't think the Terran race could pick four better players to represent them right now  .
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I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading.
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On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading.
I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end.
On April 19 2014 12:08 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Yeah, but that's still not good. With only one seeded Terran, all the S tiered Terrans should have been crushing Code A - we had something similar back in the Dark Age of Protoss, when every Protoss got kicked out of Code S, they still did well in Code A because Code A was filled with A-tier Terrans, A-tier Zergs and S-tier Protoss. The fact that Terran basically broke even in this Code A should be worrying.
Except the top terrans in Code A (Flash, TY, Fantasy) all did really well against Protoss. They got knocked out by Zergs. The more mediocre terrans like Cure and Reality make up most of the losses, but another non-top Terran, Journey, also did well against Protoss.
For fucks sake, Journey beating Dear isn't an example of an S-tier terran beating an A-tier protoss.
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On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end.
It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue.
Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S.
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On April 19 2014 13:05 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S.
33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race.
Want more numbers? Here's a qualifier with every Korean who didn't make a finals this season. Terran went 14-24 in TvZ, and 15-12 in TvP.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4332_2014_GSL_GC_Qual
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On April 19 2014 13:07 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 13:05 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S. 33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race.
The stats of this particular Code A notwithstanding, I'd say that TvZ and TvP are about even in terms of how messed up they are, and I implied as much earlier on this page when I pointed out that Innovation can't even 2-0 Dark now, when he used to be able to wipe the floor with Soulkey in macro games. The difference is the lost TvZ games don't usually feel unwinnable, whereas the Protoss ones often do, so it's easier to hate Protoss.
Look at the lineups.... there are twice as many super talented Zergs in there as there are Protoss. It's not comparable.
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On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 12:08 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Yeah, but that's still not good. With only one seeded Terran, all the S tiered Terrans should have been crushing Code A - we had something similar back in the Dark Age of Protoss, when every Protoss got kicked out of Code S, they still did well in Code A because Code A was filled with A-tier Terrans, A-tier Zergs and S-tier Protoss. The fact that Terran basically broke even in this Code A should be worrying. Except the top terrans in Code A (Flash, TY, Fantasy) all did really well against Protoss. They got knocked out by Zergs. The more mediocre terrans like Cure and Reality make up most of the losses, but another non-top Terran, Journey, also did well against Protoss. For fucks sake, Journey beating Dear isn't an example of an S-tier terran beating an A-tier protoss.
Why did you quote my post exactly? Does this have anything to do with what I posted?
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On April 19 2014 13:14 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 13:07 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 13:05 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S. 33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race. The stats of this particular Code A notwithstanding, I'd say that TvZ and TvP are about even in terms of how messed up they are, and I implied as much earlier on this page when I pointed out that Innovation can't even 2-0 Dark now, when he used to be able to wipe the floor with Soulkey in macro games. The difference is the lost TvZ games don't usually feel unwinnable, whereas the Protoss ones often do, so it's easier to hate Protoss. Look at the lineups.... there are twice as many super talented Zergs in there as there are Protoss. It's not comparable.
Yeah any sort of discussion about this always ends with "Zerg and Terran players are better than Protosses who only win because they abuse their race, so they deserve to win more."
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Regardless of me being right, and I am right to anyone who checks the numbers and isn't a biased ass, I've been a bit of a cunt, so I'll request a 2 day ban.
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On April 19 2014 13:19 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 13:14 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 19 2014 13:07 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 13:05 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 19 2014 12:55 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 12:46 bearhug wrote:I have to say that you are not intelligent enough to do math, seriously. Merely posting these numbers without considering sample group, weight, etc are useless and misleading. I have a degree in math, which is more than I can say about Terrans who whine about even winrates. Even with 20 terrans in Code S terrans were whining about TvP, it literally won't ever end. It won't end, because a lot of people straight up hate the SC2 Protoss race and find it frustrating to watch/play against. Protoss can be underpowered as hell and that still won't change, because it's not a balance issue. Now it is, though. With Innovation and Flash in Code A, only 33% of Terrans advanced. With herO/sOs/Rain/PartinG in Code S, 47% of Code A Protoss still manage to advance. Terran winrate might not seem abysmal, but that's because the Terrans are very fucking good, and the Protoss they're playing are Tassadar/Panic/Tails/Choya, players who make Artosis wonder on air how they even got into Code A to begin with, never mind how some of them are actually getting out of it into Code S. 33% of terrans advanced because the ones that didn't got knocked out by zergs. I think you're focusing your hate on the wrong race. The stats of this particular Code A notwithstanding, I'd say that TvZ and TvP are about even in terms of how messed up they are, and I implied as much earlier on this page when I pointed out that Innovation can't even 2-0 Dark now, when he used to be able to wipe the floor with Soulkey in macro games. The difference is the lost TvZ games don't usually feel unwinnable, whereas the Protoss ones often do, so it's easier to hate Protoss. Look at the lineups.... there are twice as many super talented Zergs in there as there are Protoss. It's not comparable. Yeah any sort of discussion about this always ends with "Zerg and Terran players are better than Protosses who only win because they abuse their race, so they deserve to win more."
In regard to my last comment though, I should perhaps clarify that when I say 'super talented Zergs' I don't mean my own subjective opinion, I mean results. Parting, Rain, herO are the only superstar Protoss on that list, whereas for Zerg there's Jaedong, Life, Curious, Roro, Soulkey, Symbol... it doesn't surprise me that they did much better.
It's all good, man. o.o
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On April 19 2014 08:52 The_Templar wrote:
Top four is going to be TAiLS, Maru, Innovation, and Bbyong. TAiLS will win it all.
If this occcurs I think I will personally purchase for you every starcraft game that comes out for the rest of eternity
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On April 19 2014 07:23 Shellshock wrote:First time players in Code S:  TAiLSStork Rogue (was in wcs premier during OSL season only) RagnaroK (was in wcs premier during OSL season only)
I would love for a stork royal road
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On April 19 2014 17:07 Incognoto wrote:I would love for a stork royal road
Stork vs soO finals inc, with soO losing 4-0 and cementing his Red Carpet status while Stork is standing strong lifting the trophy!
On a more serious note, the whole, so few good terrans left in Korea is a really idiotic argument. Its like the whole, every pirated copy of something is less money in the pockets of the developers, when you can't guarantee that if someone who pirated a copy would buy one if the alternative wasn't present.
Even if Polt, Taeja, Bomber, Mvp, MMA and jjakji where still in Korea there is no guarantee they would qualify for the GSL, hell some of you might have to go trough the trauma of seeing them fall to Code B.
Last seasons WCS EU and NA even though terran had ok representation when the "top" korean terrans finally went up against fellow korean zergs or protosses they showed signs of struggle and none of them was able to even win a WCS. I think a lot of people need a reality check at this point.
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Well. only 4 terrans....but still be grateful, better than 0 terran lol
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so happy innovation is back, i was thinking that he was in a decline.. but then i saw season 1 code A.. where he was in a group with Zest and herO.. that is why we was not a code S players last season.. cause he lost in a protoss era to the GSL champion and to herO.. this gives me hope.. that actually he was never losing that much skill.. he just had really bad luck with the draw... but now he is back and he can fight for the terran race, ofc together with Maru
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But seriously, even in the Code A matches that I saw today, I saw a lot of terrans pulling scvs to fight protoss. the scv pull is even becoming infamous. does terran really need to sack workers to fight evenly or is tvp imbalanced atm ?
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On April 19 2014 19:12 Incognoto wrote:
But seriously, even in the Code A matches that I saw today, I saw a lot of terrans pulling scvs to fight protoss. the scv pull is even becoming infamous. does terran really need to sack workers to fight evenly or is tvp imbalanced atm ?
It is just the best strategy when the mu is not heavily imbalanced. You will always get better results if you pull than going into a macro game. Except polt who is stubborned as hell regarding playstyles
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Myungsik advancing again confuses me greatly, hope he makes it far in place of other KT players.
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I think blizzard needs to step back and really crunch some numbers and make changes across ALL units
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On April 19 2014 20:16 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 19:12 Incognoto wrote:
But seriously, even in the Code A matches that I saw today, I saw a lot of terrans pulling scvs to fight protoss. the scv pull is even becoming infamous. does terran really need to sack workers to fight evenly or is tvp imbalanced atm ? It is just the best strategy when the mu is not heavily imbalanced. You will always get better results if you pull than going into a macro game. Except polt who is stubborned as hell regarding playstyles
But Polt is winning l0l.
Guys, it's not game balance fail that TY, Fantasy and Flash can't advance, it's their own mistakes :D Hell, i even predicted Cure to come from group, but he choked.
*why am i trying*
If they advanced we could have 14-7-11 or even 13-8-11 lineup which is almost ideal distribution.
Hell, even 14-4-14 doesn't feel bad at all, considering that chance of 2+ your lovely Terrans in group is ridiculously low and Protosses will kill each other with Zergs.
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1 terran more than last season ... I really think that David Kim should start to give a look to this imba "broodlordsinfestors-like" race ! :D
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On April 19 2014 08:49 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join. I'm not sure who the current TvZ hope is supposed to be. Innovation?
Innovation looked good in his TvZ but he insists on playing bio. I actually think SuperNova has best chances against zergs and Maru against protoss. If we could somehow combine those two into one player, terran would have a chance of getting into the finals :D
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On April 19 2014 21:45 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 08:49 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join. I'm not sure who the current TvZ hope is supposed to be. Innovation? Innovation looked good in his TvZ but he insists on playing bio. I actually think SuperNova has best chances against zergs and Maru against protoss. If we could somehow combine those two into one player, terran would have a chance of getting into the finals :D
Inno has been experimenting with mech so there is a chance he will try it.
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On April 19 2014 21:50 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 21:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On April 19 2014 08:49 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join. I'm not sure who the current TvZ hope is supposed to be. Innovation? Innovation looked good in his TvZ but he insists on playing bio. I actually think SuperNova has best chances against zergs and Maru against protoss. If we could somehow combine those two into one player, terran would have a chance of getting into the finals :D Inno has been experimenting with mech so there is a chance he will try it.
I hope so, you basically need to be good with both playstyles to be able to win consistently against zergs.
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On April 19 2014 22:00 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 21:50 GumBa wrote:On April 19 2014 21:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On April 19 2014 08:49 Cheren wrote:On April 19 2014 08:36 gneGne wrote:
Zergs ruined a lot of Terrans chances. Let us hope a few terrans and not just Maru will make it to ro8, so that next season more terrans can join. I'm not sure who the current TvZ hope is supposed to be. Innovation? Innovation looked good in his TvZ but he insists on playing bio. I actually think SuperNova has best chances against zergs and Maru against protoss. If we could somehow combine those two into one player, terran would have a chance of getting into the finals :D Inno has been experimenting with mech so there is a chance he will try it. I hope so, you basically need to be good with both playstyles to be able to win consistently against zergs.
Well he looked good with mech IMO and we know he's good with bio. I believe
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I would like, perhaps, a Squirtle - Maru finals, with Squirtle winning. He couldn't do it against the older generation of terrans, so the younger has to pay the price(of losing to Squirtle in a premier finals)
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This feels like one of those utter fiascoes where you don't know whether to laugh or cry. This looks like it might be even worse than last season, which is saying something.
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Cheering for Life, Soulkey, Innovation and Maru. Have these guys in RO4, with SK vs. Inno finals and SK to take it all in an epic 4-3 clash!
Or just Maru to take it all. I don't know which one would be better.
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Well, at least the number of Terrans is going up and not down.
Should still be a good season, though.
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On April 19 2014 20:34 Caihead wrote:
Myungsik advancing again confuses me greatly, hope he makes it far in place of other KT players.
Why does it confuse you? He played well
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On April 19 2014 10:16 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 10:14 Drake wrote:lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^ all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^ lol, and that is why terrans are dominating WCS NA and EU, right??? We might have bigger terran names in NA/EU, but the korean protoss and zergs playing in NA/EU are still doing just as good as the big name terrans.
Right, Zerg did really well in NA/EU so far. I mean! They got a single WCS champion in these regions.
Terran did insanely well in these regions the last 12 months, there is not much to argue about that. And of course that's because lots of Terrans switched their region, but it remains a fact that these "Big Name Terrans" did REALLY well (Polt 2x, 1x MMA, 1x MVP).
And Jjakji, Bomber, Polt, MMA and Taeja would all be potential Code S players, and I'm still wondering why only the Terrans switched... The other races haven't lost a single big name in Korea (Maybe Hyun and HerO, but I'd never compare these two to their Terran counterparts tbh. MC dropped out of GSL before he switched, NesTea as well).
Of course 4 Terrans is too extreme and there should be a few more, but generally speaking it's not surprising that the Terrans are underrepresented thanks to the region-hoppers.
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Zest is gonna get an all protoss path to his back to back championship.
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still can hope that no terrans make it to ro16
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bbyong still so underrated by the community, so sad
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On April 19 2014 22:42 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 10:16 vthree wrote:On April 19 2014 10:14 Drake wrote:lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^ all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^ lol, and that is why terrans are dominating WCS NA and EU, right??? We might have bigger terran names in NA/EU, but the korean protoss and zergs playing in NA/EU are still doing just as good as the big name terrans. Right, Zerg did really well in NA/EU so far. I mean! They got a single WCS champion in these regions. Terran did insanely well in these regions the last 12 months, there is not much to argue about that. And of course that's because lots of Terrans switched their region, but it remains a fact that these "Big Name Terrans" did REALLY well (Polt 2x, 1x MMA, 1x MVP). And Jjakji, Bomber, Polt, MMA and Taeja would all be potential Code S players, and I'm still wondering why only the Terrans switched... The other races haven't lost a single big name in Korea (Maybe Hyun and HerO, but I'd never compare these two to their Terran counterparts tbh. MC dropped out of GSL before he switched, NesTea as well). Of course 4 Terrans is too extreme and there should be a few more, but generally speaking it's not surprising that the Terrans are underrepresented thanks to the region-hoppers.
lol, why are you bring up results from WCS 2013 season 1? This was the pre nerf hellbats and pre buff oracles. I am sure if we revert back to those patches, we would have a lot more terrans in GSL.
It is ironic that you don't feel like MC is Code S level when he just soundly defeated both Jjakji and MMA in Bo5 and Bo7 respectively. You don't look at the player's strength when they switch. You look at their strength in the current meta game and maps. MC switched when protosses weren't doing as well. And that is why he was out of GSL.
If you moved all the Koreans back to WCS KR, there is no reason to believe that MC, Alicia, Oz, HerO, San would do any worse then Jjakji, Bomber, Polt, MMA and Taeja.
And there is a pretty obvious reason why more big name terrans switch. Almost all of them were picked up by foreign teams. And since foreign terrans have always be weaker and under represent. It makes sense for the big teams to pick to championship winning korean terrans.
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On April 19 2014 23:23 sharkie wrote:bbyong still so underrated by the community, so sad
Bbyongjwa is god. The masses just don't understand
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On April 19 2014 22:42 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 10:16 vthree wrote:On April 19 2014 10:14 Drake wrote:lets be honest. fantasy and flash just have a bad GSL run time since ... ever ? ^^ all others terrans are eu or us, so stop act like t is weak or somethn as nearly every pro understand now, terra is STRONG no need for silvers to cry ^^ lol, and that is why terrans are dominating WCS NA and EU, right??? We might have bigger terran names in NA/EU, but the korean protoss and zergs playing in NA/EU are still doing just as good as the big name terrans. Right, Zerg did really well in NA/EU so far. I mean! They got a single WCS champion in these regions. Terran did insanely well in these regions the last 12 months, there is not much to argue about that. And of course that's because lots of Terrans switched their region, but it remains a fact that these "Big Name Terrans" did REALLY well (Polt 2x, 1x MMA, 1x MVP). And Jjakji, Bomber, Polt, MMA and Taeja would all be potential Code S players, and I'm still wondering why only the Terrans switched... The other races haven't lost a single big name in Korea (Maybe Hyun and HerO, but I'd never compare these two to their Terran counterparts tbh. MC dropped out of GSL before he switched, NesTea as well). Of course 4 Terrans is too extreme and there should be a few more, but generally speaking it's not surprising that the Terrans are underrepresented thanks to the region-hoppers.
You're operating under the false assumption that if all the terrans that switched regions would have remained in Korea, then they'd automatically qualify for GSL Code S. What's to say we couldn't have had MMA, Mvp, Polt or Taeja fall to Code B? I've seen them perform well but not be dominant forces against fellow Koreans, in fact they have even struggled at times, what makes you so sure they are S class?
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All I want now is for the Groups so I can book my day off for INnos group!
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On April 19 2014 11:21 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance Speaking as a huge Innovation fan, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He's a better SC2 Flash - the kind of player who needs a stable meta to be able to excel. Don't forget that in S1 of last year, he was dismantling Soulkey in macro games. It wasn't close. Now he goes 2-1 against Dark? Who the fuck is Dark compared to Soulkey? I won't be a tiny bit surprised to see Inno drop out in ro32.
Soulkey has offdays though, he even loses to foreigners so...
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Really excited for Innovation. Love watching his play.
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On April 20 2014 13:55 OpTiKAiTech wrote:
Really excited for Innovation. Love watching his play.
<3
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One more boring season...
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On April 20 2014 11:09 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:21 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 19 2014 10:43 DBS wrote:
We honestly could have a TvT finals, Maru is always a contender and if Between innovation bbyong and SuNo i think they have a reasonable(ish) chance Speaking as a huge Innovation fan, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He's a better SC2 Flash - the kind of player who needs a stable meta to be able to excel. Don't forget that in S1 of last year, he was dismantling Soulkey in macro games. It wasn't close. Now he goes 2-1 against Dark? Who the fuck is Dark compared to Soulkey? I won't be a tiny bit surprised to see Inno drop out in ro32. Soulkey has offdays though, he even loses to foreigners so...
In his defense, Dark has shown massive ability and talent, he has a massively positive record against Taeja for example, and i think he allkilled either IM or ST
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So happy Stork finally got it.
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Whoa, Squirtle is on there?
I can dig it.
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great! now we have five terrans...what a balanced game..
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wow, I guess GomTvT is long gone now, looks pretty even between P/Z though but T definitely looks like it needs help, time will tell the story of what happens though.
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The most interesting thing about the 4 Terrans is that the 3 Terrans from last season are ALL THERE STILL!
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On April 21 2014 12:11 NKexquisite wrote:
The most interesting thing about the 4 Terrans is that the 3 Terrans from last season are ALL THERE STILL!
Pretty much shows that they are three consistent players and not flukes
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On April 21 2014 17:46 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 12:11 NKexquisite wrote:
The most interesting thing about the 4 Terrans is that the 3 Terrans from last season are ALL THERE STILL! Pretty much shows that they are three consistent players and not flukes
I think that goes for all races. Although the new format is suppose to make dropping out of Code S easier, I think the dual tournament format makes it so players don't just got knocked out because of 1 Bo3 (get 'unlucky draw).
Out of the Protosses, only Stork and Tails are new (replacing Sora, Stats, Dear, Panic)
Out of Terrans, we got Innovation
Out of Zerg, we got Byul (who came from WCS AM), Shine, Rogue, Ragnarok (replacing Roro, Curious and Pet)
So out of the 24 spots, only 7 were replaced.
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I can't believe it, but I'm actually rooting for Terrans this Code S. Well, every terran except Maru. He's too successful anyways. I really hope Innovation or Stork can do it.
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Wait, I'm new to Starcraft. You mean there is a third race called Terran? Wuuuuaaaaahhttt?
I really hope I'm not going to see another PvP finals where the casters have to pretend the matchup is exciting...
User was warned for this post
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Bogus gonna kick some ass
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FanTaSy, the last remaining Terran, was unable to advance, leaving the Code S Terran count at four.![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/GSL/S2_2014/codeagroupklresults.png)
