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Yo guys, a little bit of patience would not kill.. Just let the girl get used to the new environment and do her work..
Although you may have doubts that she's more popular, or nice for that point for sure, over being skilled - don't forget that what she has done so far was mainly done by her own-self, and her brother.. She didn't abuse anyone, she wasn't in casts, she wasn't in shows or hosts.. It's just that she was friendly and positive to her chat, really interacting with it, giving people advices while being positive almost all the time, even when losing, and for being consistent and trying hard.. And for that - people happened to like her.. 
So yah - everyone, give a bit of a break for a bit, and say the gratz to her.. And as for the deal/contract itself --> afawk - the deal was her own initiation (kinda), or at least she did an intitiative to be in contact with Catz and ask him for real advice..
So yeah - she didn't have a "royal road", but still by the fact that all she did so far was on her own - she at least deserved all the gratz
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as long as it's good for eSports... look at NASCAR and Indy with Danica Patrick... although Danica has actually won one race (i know not a lot but she can actually win), it helps the sport get more viewers.
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On March 03 2014 04:48 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 04:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote:
He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely. That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to. It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
I mean, the thing about forum posts is that the dialogue doesn't happen in private channels where the communication is restricted in a 1:1 interaction two people - it happens in a public space where each conversation blends together to create a broader dialogue. Even if TB's post quoted that person's comment in particular, and even if that person in particular wasn't talking about gender, it's easy to see how TB's statement is in reaction to and a general response to the "she's only recruited because she's female!" comments that without a doubt have been made in this thread.
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On March 03 2014 03:26 Ethenielle wrote:
I can picture it on the front page of TL: first biological female reaches [rank]!
I assume you're referring to scarlett but the whole biological thing just got a little comical
Also seems like a lot of people are forgetting in Asia there has always been top GM female players on the Korean ladder since WOL, people are acting like there has never been good RTS females at a high level before, I guess that's a North American mentality and how the west used to make gaming into something losers did and the terrible stereotype America has put on the subject.
Korea has good portion of mid GM female gamers, some on pro teams but don't get fielded in televised matches ect or only compete in local female tourneys they have in Asia. Oh and what happen to FLO? she has had GM MMR tons of times and takes games of pro gamers on the ladder easy.
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On March 03 2014 04:48 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 04:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote:
He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely. That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to. It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
If anything I'm far too optimistic when it comes to the SC2 community.
I'd value popularity over skill too when trying to make ends meet as an NA team. The only NA player that can consistently place highly in non-region locked events is Scarlett. HuK is almost at that level and he was in the past. He dips in and out of it. If you enjoy spending $1500 a plane ticket to see your new NA player get stomped in the RO64 by Korean pros, you're more than welcome to do that, but you'll rapidly find yourself running out of funds. How many times must the community prove over and over that they do not care about American foreigners who aren't already house-hold streaming names? That';s pretty much the only useful, marketable skill in the NA scene right now. Hey let's go watch Breaking out NA! We can join the 50 other people that bother to do so. The Deimos Teamleague is on right now with some of the biggest NA teams. I'm sure the sponsors are thrilled that almost 300 people bothered to show up to watch that!
A piss-poor selection of regional events to compete in in comparison to the EU, tiny viewership potential for said events if they're region-locked, I mean why would you even bother looking for skill in the NA market? It's not high enough to matter regardless of who you choose, so brand trumps all. I can afford to look for talent in Korea because you can throw a rock and accidently hit a little-known Korean player who can beat pretty much anyone the rest of the world has to offer on a regular basis. An NA team would be foolhardy to do the same in the NA region unless they wish to continue the painfully slow, stubborn grind of raising the overall skill level of the region, all the while enduring the constant derision of the community that is supposed to support it. If they have the guts and the passion for that then they have all my respect in the world, but jesus I couldnt possibly blame them for taking a more practical road.
Now that, would be my definition of cynical.
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DAAAAAMMNN! Great news to hear. I always thought her talent needed to be scouted. Massive congrats!~
CLAPCLAPCLAP in celebration
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Let's just hope she manages to pick up some skills over time to justify this. We wouldn't want to think that she was picked just to bring a pretty face to the team, right?
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Good luck to her! Gotta love Root for its support of upcoming players.
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Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!!
BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
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On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote:
Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!!
BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though.
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On March 03 2014 14:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote:
Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!!
BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though.
I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations.
PS. Congrats to Spyte, another Canadian on Root!
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The way I see it, it's a NA player on a good team who now has the potential to dramatically improve.
Also she plays zerg which is awesome.
I don't give a fuck that she is a female because when she is playing in a tournament i'm not looking at her i'm looking at her play.
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On March 03 2014 21:13 GohgamX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 14:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote:
Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!!
BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though. I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations. PS. Congrats to Spyte, another Canadian on Root!
americans have been saying that for the past 5 years, sorry there is none.
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On March 03 2014 09:36 sigm wrote:
Let's just hope she manages to pick up some skills over time to justify this. We wouldn't want to think that she was picked just to bring a pretty face to the team, right?
I bet she could beat you
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Does it really matter if this is a publicity move or not? I mean really, It's awesome that she got picked up to this team, and I have no doubt that living in the team house will make her a better player. Who loses if this is a publicity move. Let's face facts here, this is good for ROOT and good for the scene in general. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, ROOT has made a good choice.
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I think she is a pretty good player and can improve a lot with root gaming. She also runs a pretty good stream. It helps SC 2 out. IF Catz wanted too he could ge generic koreans that only a few people watch.
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I'm just happy another player gets a chance to Shine. Getting on a Team isn't easy, especially in an industry running on mostly sponsorship money. Personalities and Marketability are more important to a sponsor then Raw-Skill, especially in the US market.
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I can't believe people are arguing about this so much, there is nothing bad about a popular streamer and decent starcraft player getting the chance to improve their skills by staying in a team house for a few months.
There is too much arguing in this thread already. I'll make it simple: starcraft player has a very entertaining, professional stream with commentary and interaction, plays in top masters and is dedicated to improving, and happens to be female = as a result or the popularity of her stream due to all factors, said player gets a chance to improve with the support that a team house offers for a few months.
She has the willingness and drive to improve and I for one can't wait to see how she does! No need to be so grim... Read her interview and she gives answers to some of the concerns and questions posters have voiced earlier in the thread.
GL to both parties, I will be ROOT-ing for MsSpyte
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On March 03 2014 21:13 GohgamX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 14:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote:
Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!!
BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though. I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations. PS. Congrats to Spyte, another Canadian on Root!
You know you're basically agreeing with what I said right? I agree, " How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene.", that's exactly my point. Who would want to recruit Americans and try to develop their talent when it's both a harder and more unpleasant road. The community is in general toxic to NA talent development, doesn't support American events, constantly shits on American players, starts drama over perceived "lazy Americans" every single time any of them has the audacity to do something like say they're playing Deus Ex on Twitter or having to forfeit and event due to IRL stuff. It's a storm of bullshit, constantly. It discourages organisers from putting on events and frankly it's not just a vocal minority, the numbers aren't there either, the majority of the viewerbase genuinely does not care about American talent. How can that be changed? Buggered if I know. Last SHOUTcraft we did was basically just a bunch of people slating the games for being awful and the sponsor lost money and even that had more than twice the viewership of the much much larger Enders Game event (based on public Twitch numbers).
So yeah, you have to be a brand and if you're recruiting NA you have to be recruiting brands too. The breakout performances that put NA players on the map are so few and far between it's like waiting to trip over a four-leafed clover. Honestly I think the way forward is getting NA players involved in teamleague and putting them up against Koreans. It's just a better format for foreigners since they have more time to prepare and less variables to worry about.
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well this is awkward.................
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