Coryn is without a doubt one of the best female players out there. She is very passionate about the game and really wants to continue to improve and take her game to the next level. Spyte is always asking questions and trying to figure out the game, and as much as I enjoyed talking strategy with her on Skype, I think that being at the ROOT house will help her accomplish her goals as a player much quicker. I am very happy that she decided to join our team and look forward to her growth at the house. Our first immediate goal is GrandMaster League, I am very confident we can get this first goal out of the way in the next couple of months and continue to help her become a great SC2 player.
I didnt hear about her untill now, so I guess I need to catch up XP Giving more spotlight for girls in the community is great, I would like to see how she is going to progress now that she is part of Root, it is going to be interesting, I would love to see her going big and show up in tournamets in the future. Congratulations to Spyte and to Root, increasing the rooster and giving players with potential the platform to improve in skill and popularity! This is awesome!
This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
Exactly what i thought, but i guess we are happy for >>> HER <<<.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
From what I understand SEED is designed for younger-aged players rather than of skill level.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
From what I understand SEED is designed for younger-aged players rather than of skill level.
Nope that's not true, Catz said anyone can apply for SEED, regardless of age. Congrats to Spyte, but I indeed would've expected to see her in SEED.
On March 02 2014 09:20 creamyturtle wrote: How come I have watched starcraft everyday for 3 years and I have no idea who this person is (>_<)
i have actually had this exact same reaction to a lot more famous players than msspyte the starcraft scene is just so big it's kind of impossible to know everyone.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
That's true. I didn't think that you felt like she didn't deserve it though, so no worries.
I guess my point was just that given her situation (female/top 20? streamer/good personality/whatever), it's not surprising that she got on the team. And I can understand putting her on the main team due to the fact that she does well in all-female tournaments. If someone is good, even in a niche, they'll get put in with the "big boys."
EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't forget potential. By putting her on the team, maybe she'll improve that much more quickly and be looking at a higher skill cap. It's a really good investment.
She was one of the most prominent teamless streamers, and now she's still one of the most prominent streamers on a team. As far as ROOT goes, I think only Minigun has consistently larger viewer numbers.
I haven't actually watched her stream in quite a long time but it's been interesting to see her become featured and then notice her viewer count (on the TL stream page) rise. I will have to check out her stream again sometime but congratulations to her for her success, and to ROOT gaming for picking her up.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
My impression is that she doesn't actually intend to be extremely competitive at a pro level. Her focus is mostly on her stream, so the whole SEED process doesn't really apply. She can have an affiliation with ROOT without going pro, I think it's cool.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
How do Koreans get so good? Dedication. What does Ms.Spyte have? Dedication. A major part of Korean success in Sc2 is the environment they play in; Ms.Spyte's now in a much better environment as well. Everybody has to be in masters before they're GM. I don't have a problem with ROOT's decision; it might even be a good thing to recruit other players in high masters who seem dedicated and then see what they can accomplish. What the NA scene (maybe even EU too) needs right now is openness and a little bit of passion, not cut-throat win-at-all-costs attitudes.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
Haha, dude, you think Catz sent her the paper work for her 6 figure salary yet? Get real, being on the team doesn't mean much. It's like when a new team gets a sponsor. It could mean a couple new mouse pads or 100k over a year. This details are never publicized, but you can easily guess she's not making much.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
How do Koreans get so good? Dedication. What does Ms.Spyte have? Dedication. A major part of Korean success in Sc2 is the environment they play in; Ms.Spyte's now in a much better environment as well. Everybody has to be in masters before they're GM. I don't have a problem with ROOT's decision; it might even be a good thing to recruit other players in high masters who seem dedicated and then see what they can accomplish. What the NA scene (maybe even EU too) needs right now is openness and a little bit of passion, not cut-throat win-at-all-costs attitudes.
This doesn't seem like it's a problem : o
Talent is a pretty big factor as well. It isn't shocking the top BW players from KeSPA transitioned over and became some of the top SC2 players in a matter of months. Possibly even weeks. I don't think they plateaued at middle Masters very long.
This reminds me of when CIS teams announce they've signed female players/teams for purely PR purposes. Call me a skeptic, because I probably am. I just have no idea what else they could possibly gain as a team even if she becomes good enough to reach GM.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
Dude Prime is a Korean team, and they have Barbie on the main roster, even though she's pretty much just a host for korean tournaments and a personality at this point. Having her on the roster or in the team house isn't a big deal really, ROOT is just supporting her and putting their name behind her. It really has nothing to do with foreign teams "catching up to korean teams", because that is going to come from the overall growth of the foreign scene in general. There are several Korean teams that have players on the main roster that aren't necessarily used in ProLeague or sent to high level tournaments. You have no idea what you are talking about apparently.
I know the "pro team picking up female" is always a hot button issue, but I think in this specific circumstance we can say, with a lot of certainty, that she would have been signed if she was male.
Regardless of her league, she's still consistently in the top 15 for viewership, and in a similar place for streaming hours as well.
Granted, a lot of her viewership is probably because of her gender, but numbers are still numbers.
gratz to Coryn & ROOT. Makes sense for both parties. Fingers crossed that with the ease of access to the talent & knowledge of the other ROOT players she can break into GM. She seems to have the dedication.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
everyone knows this already. everyone realizes that women who compete at a master+ level in SC get special recognition. there is no one, anywhere, in any universe, arguing that ms spyte is as good as sage, illusion or minigun. no one has ever said that or believed it or even suspected it
there is a good reason women get more hype in this community: because women succeeding at SC is fun and interesting to watch, and the more it happens, the more women will potentially WANT to become involved in SC, which increases the playerbase and makes it more diverse and welcoming, as well as being a good sign for gender politics in general
hope this helps
Yeah, I'm aware I was kind of stating the obvious. But is this really how we want it? With that kind of thinking we, by which i mean foreign teams, can wave goodbye to any kind of hope to ever catch up or even compete with Koreans in the future. Sure there should be a place for dedicated personalities in sc2, male and female, but it doesnt have to be the main roster of one the top foreign teams.
How do Koreans get so good? Dedication. What does Ms.Spyte have? Dedication. A major part of Korean success in Sc2 is the environment they play in; Ms.Spyte's now in a much better environment as well. Everybody has to be in masters before they're GM. I don't have a problem with ROOT's decision; it might even be a good thing to recruit other players in high masters who seem dedicated and then see what they can accomplish. What the NA scene (maybe even EU too) needs right now is openness and a little bit of passion, not cut-throat win-at-all-costs attitudes.
This doesn't seem like it's a problem : o
Talent is a pretty big factor as well. It isn't shocking the top BW players from KeSPA transitioned over and became some of the top SC2 players in a matter of months. Possibly even weeks. I don't think they plateaued at middle Masters very long.
well but they had a shit ton of RTS expierience. Look at all the world class players. They all have played another RTS title on world class level before SC2. I think there are only a handful of people that started to play competitively with SC2.
On March 02 2014 14:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: (...)but I think in this specific circumstance we can say, with a lot of certainty, that she would have been signed if she was male.
No matter how "cool", the personality etc, a male that's mid/top'ish master that's still far from GM skill wise will never get as many viewers, and definitely not a big team attention. Happy for Spite, she seems to be a cool girl, but this is mostly a business decision by ROOT, not an addition meant to make the team more competitive.
At least Spyte is good at what she does - for a female anyway - and isn't some kind of attention whore playing in platinum league with a huge cleavage and winking for donations.
On March 02 2014 14:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: (...)but I think in this specific circumstance we can say, with a lot of certainty, that she would have been signed if she was male.
No matter how "cool", the personality etc, a male that's mid/top'ish master that's still far from GM skill wise will never get as many viewers, and definitely not a big team attention. Happy for Spite, she seems to be a cool girl, but this is mostly a business decision by ROOT, not an addition meant to make the team more competitive.
At least Spyte is good at what she does - for a female anyway - and isn't some kind of attention whore playing in platinum league with a huge cleavage and winking for donations.
Congratz Saw her stream yesterday a bit,since she does not play as fast as the Pros (yet) it makes it easier for me to learn a bit. After watching her stream I had my first real victory in a 1vs1 hahaha
On March 02 2014 14:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: (...)but I think in this specific circumstance we can say, with a lot of certainty, that she would have been signed if she was male.
No matter how "cool", the personality etc, a male that's mid/top'ish master that's still far from GM skill wise will never get as many viewers, and definitely not a big team attention. Happy for Spite, she seems to be a cool girl, but this is mostly a business decision by ROOT, not an addition meant to make the team more competitive.
At least Spyte is good at what she does - for a female anyway - and isn't some kind of attention whore playing in platinum league with a huge cleavage and winking for donations.
Ever heard of a guy called MaximusBlack?
But he already had a following due to WhenCheeseFails.
On March 02 2014 14:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: (...)but I think in this specific circumstance we can say, with a lot of certainty, that she would have been signed if she was male.
No matter how "cool", the personality etc, a male that's mid/top'ish master that's still far from GM skill wise will never get as many viewers, and definitely not a big team attention. Happy for Spite, she seems to be a cool girl, but this is mostly a business decision by ROOT, not an addition meant to make the team more competitive.
At least Spyte is good at what she does - for a female anyway - and isn't some kind of attention whore playing in platinum league with a huge cleavage and winking for donations.
Did you watch "Ladies of the Swarm" tournament ??
At least a bit..
Pretty sure she would've gotten top3 in that tourney there.. Providing the fact that Scarlett didn't participate
But yah - there's a future in this buddy.. There can be cool Ladies tournaments, just like that.. And the best part is that the Korean girls aren't as dominating the scene as the Males are ATM, - so at least it's a change
And she's awesome enough - successful, or not so much, either way.. What I wanted to say is the following - from this move, or the similar kind - can only be a positive change
I had never heard about her but nonetheless, it s good for both parties. Good for the player to have such a great environment to improve and good to ROOT business wise. Gratz!
Well... publicity means Sponsors,sponsors mean money. With that money they can support new players.Maybe she can become really good under ROOT wings.That again would mean more publicity,again more money ect.... Lets see the positive side of this
Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab.
ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits.
How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams.
So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
That's true. I didn't think that you felt like she didn't deserve it though, so no worries.
I guess my point was just that given her situation (female/top 20? streamer/good personality/whatever), it's not surprising that she got on the team. And I can understand putting her on the main team due to the fact that she does well in all-female tournaments. If someone is good, even in a niche, they'll get put in with the "big boys."
EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't forget potential. By putting her on the team, maybe she'll improve that much more quickly and be looking at a higher skill cap. It's a really good investment.
She actually said she would never compete in all-female tournaments on her stream because in her opinion, there shouldn't be such distinction. She said it right before that last Ladies of the Swarm tournament. And now I see her on a pro team. It is kind of strange to be honest.
I tuned in on her stream a couple of times and it is a good stream and she is a solid master league zerg player but I must say this caught me by surprise.
She doesn't want to compete in female-only tournaments and she is not good enough yet to play in a "regular tournament". So I am not quite sure what is her goal and the team goal... maybe to help her get to high GM level and then she will start to compete? Or is it just because her stream is popular (the EG way of doing things...)
Anyway I am glad for her because she seems like a nice person and I feel it is good that we have more females in the SC2 community, there is no biological reason (as far as I know) why women couldn't compete with men in an eSport like SC2.
Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab.
ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits.
How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams.
So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks.
You are talking about "biologically female" like if it's some sort of a healthy food..
In the IT we also have similar program for luring females and sometime it can do more harm than good. For example: 1. Person thinks that she's valuable only because of gender and since it's for what they are paying her she will do some gray semi inappropriate things like some female game correspondents posting their pics, getting involved in the wired sexual conversations. So basically playing available because that's what puberty boys wants.
2. I hope she is mentally ready for all this attention, especially random "it's only because you have boobs, show them", "i will subscribe if you blow" or even death threats. Being only female competitive progamer has its costs and it's like magnet for all the internet wilderness. I don't know if she has guts for this. All that hate can make your life 10 years shorter and for what, couple of gaming fame moments?
3. If she got to GM on her own with some skype coaching before openly joining ROOTS it could reduce headache and butthurt for everyone. I think CatZ was pretty commited to make to soб but he failed while many managed to reach GM without pro help. It's sad but true. She might be not good enough and her future failure will kill last hope for female SC2
4.Special care is poisonous for any team. It's hard to accept that you, korean player, are working hard like a madman while someone in your team earning it easy because he\she is foreigner or female and it's even harder when some of your friends thrown away because he's not good enough while someone much less professional stays in or if you had to coach "special person" in your free time. It generates tremendous tension in both ways.
I would sincerely recommend CatZ to be honest with her and make a deal. She must fulfill it in given time or she's out no matter what.
Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab.
ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits.
How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams.
So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks.
what about all those other high masters players who are determined and willing but not female? nobody will ever add them unless they reach GM AND get a breakouttournament result ala scarlett.
let's be honest to ourselves: spyte wasn't added because of potential; there are others who have mor epotential or even showed that they are really good. spyte was added as a PR move, and that's okay. it's the same thing with casters or other community figures: they are hired for promotion, not because people expect them to do well. she of course has the chance to become a real pro now, but even then it doesn't change the original reason of her being hired.
On March 02 2014 08:07 Harajuku wrote: This is cool, but don't ROOT have an Academy team, SEED, specifically for up-and-comers, such as Ms.Spyte, that aren't quite at pro level yet? I'm happy for her, but it does look a bit strange to me to have a mid-high masters player on the main team while there are GM players on the academy team.
This is pretttttty much my take on it aswell. Congrats to her, but yeah....
True, but Spyte's exposure and placement in tournaments aren't at the level of the Academy team. It's not in Premier Tournaments or whatever but she's really good relatively (ie. for a girl). And as blunt as that truth might be, it's still the reality of the situation
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, although it may sound like that in my post. Shes certainly a hard worker with a consistent stream. I can see that they recruited her because of her high exposure as a top streamer and because shes female, but skill wise you cant deny theres a significant discrepancy between her and players like sage, minigun, illusion etc. to the point where it does look a bit weird when you see her on the same roster as those kind of players.
Her staying at the ROOT house is a great thing for her, but from the perspective of the other residents, who are (almost) all korean GM level, they cant really practice with her because of the difference in skill level. Like it or not, but this too, is the reality of the situation.
That's true. I didn't think that you felt like she didn't deserve it though, so no worries.
I guess my point was just that given her situation (female/top 20? streamer/good personality/whatever), it's not surprising that she got on the team. And I can understand putting her on the main team due to the fact that she does well in all-female tournaments. If someone is good, even in a niche, they'll get put in with the "big boys."
EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't forget potential. By putting her on the team, maybe she'll improve that much more quickly and be looking at a higher skill cap. It's a really good investment.
She actually said she would never compete in all-female tournaments on her stream because in her opinion, there shouldn't be such distinction. She said it right before that last Ladies of the Swarm tournament. And now I see her on a pro team. It is kind of strange to be honest.
I tuned in on her stream a couple of times and it is a good stream and she is a solid master league zerg player but I must say this caught me by surprise.
She doesn't want to compete in female-only tournaments and she is not good enough yet to play in a "regular tournament". So I am not quite sure what is her goal and the team goal... maybe to help her get to high GM level and then she will start to compete? Or is it just because her stream is popular (the EG way of doing things...)
Anyway I am glad for her because she seems like a nice person and I feel it is good that we have more females in the SC2 community, there is no biological reason (as far as I know) why women couldn't compete with men in an eSport like SC2.
Kind of agree with you there. While I have to agree with somewhat with others, this will gain ROOT some more publicity, but that's going to happen to ANY team that picks up ANY competative female player. It's pretty much inevitable. She says herself she's more of an entertainer and I think that's fine. Rotterdam was on ROOT (and may still be) and he's a caster. So was Nathanias for a while and I can name a couple others who haven't been active competitors in the SC2 scene but still are on the team. From a business standpoint though, as said, picking Spyte over any other player at the same level is a good choice. I don't really have anything to say against that; it just is. She's not the greatest player out there, but she definitely has a chance to become a really good foreigner now!
That said, I've checked Msspyte over the last few months and apparently she's done with university now and has already gone to full time streaming. This will help her a TON with her stream viewers aswell, but it could also greatly increase her play to the point where she actually DOES play in MLGs and WCS'es. I think this is one of the most beneficial pickups for both parties there has been in a while and I'm really glad it happened. As said before though, happy for her and hope she does well in the future!
Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab.
ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits.
How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams.
So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks.
He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely. I think it's fine either way but discussions should really be specific about which issue is being argued.
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely.
That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to.
what about all those other high masters players who are determined and willing but not female? nobody will ever add them unless they reach GM AND get a breakouttournament result ala scarlett.
let's be honest to ourselves: spyte wasn't added because of potential; there are others who have mor epotential or even showed that they are really good. spyte was added as a PR move, and that's okay. it's the same thing with casters or other community figures: they are hired for promotion, not because people expect them to do well. she of course has the chance to become a real pro now, but even then it doesn't change the original reason of her being hired.
But I didn't deny that it was a PR move, in fact I repeatedly espoused the PR benefits of such a move. Hate to say it but this is a business and the only way it survives is if it is treated like one. Far too many members of this community don't think that way and their attitudes are generally destructive as a result. The scene is not being damaged by female players getting picked up by teams and successful female players will be an asset which will help the scene grow. You're gonna have to forgive me if I don't feel that Jimmy High Masters not getting a spot on a team makes a difference. It's not a zero-sum game. Hiring a female player does not mean a male player won't get the spot.
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely.
That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to.
It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
I love Spyte and her stream, she's always improving and has a good attitude. But honestly right now, I think she should be a part of SEED and not the main roster. Seems the most fair, even though I don't care either way, I am just glad a team like ROOT is supporting her, because she obviously wants this.
This isn't a signing like the LivinPink or whatever, this is a player who obviously wants to take it to the next level and she is very popular ontop of it.
One of my favorite streamers: she's constantly explaining why what's going on, and constantly is looking for ways to improve on stream. It's VERY refreshing to watch her play and I'm super excited that she wants to move forward!
I think Ms. Spyte is way different than the other "female personalities" NA teams have picked up in the past, she's actually pretty good and consistent, she played WOL at high masters every season, now she's working her way up to good solid amateur level. I think with some real help and a little less streaming she can easily be a mid GM player and take games off NA pros and show some results.
The other females who got signed with pro teams or used to try to get publicity seemed to failed and only used it to promote themselves as a lot of those females don't even play sc2 very often or are even worse back to low dim level ect. I would say she's far above average Joe master NA player for sure. Her mechanics are pretty good as well. It's not like she's some leaching model that pretends to like Esports to try to get money or casting jobs. She's actually loves SC2 and been playing it at a high level since WOL.
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely.
That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to.
It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
The "cynical" brit is being cynical.. wow.. who'd expect that.
Yo guys, a little bit of patience would not kill.. Just let the girl get used to the new environment and do her work..
Although you may have doubts that she's more popular, or nice for that point for sure, over being skilled - don't forget that what she has done so far was mainly done by her own-self, and her brother.. She didn't abuse anyone, she wasn't in casts, she wasn't in shows or hosts.. It's just that she was friendly and positive to her chat, really interacting with it, giving people advices while being positive almost all the time, even when losing, and for being consistent and trying hard.. And for that - people happened to like her..
So yah - everyone, give a bit of a break for a bit, and say the gratz to her.. And as for the deal/contract itself --> afawk - the deal was her own initiation (kinda), or at least she did an intitiative to be in contact with Catz and ask him for real advice..
So yeah - she didn't have a "royal road", but still by the fact that all she did so far was on her own - she at least deserved all the gratz
as long as it's good for eSports... look at NASCAR and Indy with Danica Patrick... although Danica has actually won one race (i know not a lot but she can actually win), it helps the sport get more viewers.
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely.
That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to.
It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
I mean, the thing about forum posts is that the dialogue doesn't happen in private channels where the communication is restricted in a 1:1 interaction two people - it happens in a public space where each conversation blends together to create a broader dialogue. Even if TB's post quoted that person's comment in particular, and even if that person in particular wasn't talking about gender, it's easy to see how TB's statement is in reaction to and a general response to the "she's only recruited because she's female!" comments that without a doubt have been made in this thread.
On March 03 2014 03:26 Ethenielle wrote: I can picture it on the front page of TL: first biological female reaches [rank]!
I assume you're referring to scarlett but the whole biological thing just got a little comical
Also seems like a lot of people are forgetting in Asia there has always been top GM female players on the Korean ladder since WOL, people are acting like there has never been good RTS females at a high level before, I guess that's a North American mentality and how the west used to make gaming into something losers did and the terrible stereotype America has put on the subject.
Korea has good portion of mid GM female gamers, some on pro teams but don't get fielded in televised matches ect or only compete in local female tourneys they have in Asia. Oh and what happen to FLO? she has had GM MMR tons of times and takes games of pro gamers on the ladder easy.
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely.
That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to.
It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill.
If anything I'm far too optimistic when it comes to the SC2 community.
I'd value popularity over skill too when trying to make ends meet as an NA team. The only NA player that can consistently place highly in non-region locked events is Scarlett. HuK is almost at that level and he was in the past. He dips in and out of it. If you enjoy spending $1500 a plane ticket to see your new NA player get stomped in the RO64 by Korean pros, you're more than welcome to do that, but you'll rapidly find yourself running out of funds. How many times must the community prove over and over that they do not care about American foreigners who aren't already house-hold streaming names? That';s pretty much the only useful, marketable skill in the NA scene right now. Hey let's go watch Breaking out NA! We can join the 50 other people that bother to do so. The Deimos Teamleague is on right now with some of the biggest NA teams. I'm sure the sponsors are thrilled that almost 300 people bothered to show up to watch that!
A piss-poor selection of regional events to compete in in comparison to the EU, tiny viewership potential for said events if they're region-locked, I mean why would you even bother looking for skill in the NA market? It's not high enough to matter regardless of who you choose, so brand trumps all. I can afford to look for talent in Korea because you can throw a rock and accidently hit a little-known Korean player who can beat pretty much anyone the rest of the world has to offer on a regular basis. An NA team would be foolhardy to do the same in the NA region unless they wish to continue the painfully slow, stubborn grind of raising the overall skill level of the region, all the while enduring the constant derision of the community that is supposed to support it. If they have the guts and the passion for that then they have all my respect in the world, but jesus I couldnt possibly blame them for taking a more practical road.
Let's just hope she manages to pick up some skills over time to justify this. We wouldn't want to think that she was picked just to bring a pretty face to the team, right?
On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote: Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!! BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though.
I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations.
On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote: Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!! BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though.
I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations.
PS. Congrats to Spyte, another Canadian on Root!
americans have been saying that for the past 5 years, sorry there is none.
On March 03 2014 09:36 sigm wrote: Let's just hope she manages to pick up some skills over time to justify this. We wouldn't want to think that she was picked just to bring a pretty face to the team, right?
Does it really matter if this is a publicity move or not? I mean really, It's awesome that she got picked up to this team, and I have no doubt that living in the team house will make her a better player. Who loses if this is a publicity move. Let's face facts here, this is good for ROOT and good for the scene in general. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, ROOT has made a good choice.
I think she is a pretty good player and can improve a lot with root gaming. She also runs a pretty good stream. It helps SC 2 out. IF Catz wanted too he could ge generic koreans that only a few people watch.
I'm just happy another player gets a chance to Shine. Getting on a Team isn't easy, especially in an industry running on mostly sponsorship money. Personalities and Marketability are more important to a sponsor then Raw-Skill, especially in the US market.
I can't believe people are arguing about this so much, there is nothing bad about a popular streamer and decent starcraft player getting the chance to improve their skills by staying in a team house for a few months.
There is too much arguing in this thread already. I'll make it simple: starcraft player has a very entertaining, professional stream with commentary and interaction, plays in top masters and is dedicated to improving, and happens to be female = as a result or the popularity of her stream due to all factors, said player gets a chance to improve with the support that a team house offers for a few months.
She has the willingness and drive to improve and I for one can't wait to see how she does! No need to be so grim... Read her interview and she gives answers to some of the concerns and questions posters have voiced earlier in the thread.
GL to both parties, I will be ROOT-ing for MsSpyte
On March 03 2014 12:15 SlammerIV wrote: Sweet! gl to Rootspyte!! BTW major is easily top 3 non Korean terrens and can go far in any tournament.
He hasn't played in enough international events to really know how true that is imho. He certainly has the potential to though.
I agree with you on this point but in your previous post, you were way too negative. How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene. There's a lot of great talent being developed and with time we will see growth in fan base and skill. Things like Shoutcraft America and IcyCup have been some of the best NA tournaments despite some of the poor efforts from larger organizations.
PS. Congrats to Spyte, another Canadian on Root!
You know you're basically agreeing with what I said right? I agree, " How is the NA scene suppose to grow if everyone continuously shits on the NA scene.", that's exactly my point. Who would want to recruit Americans and try to develop their talent when it's both a harder and more unpleasant road. The community is in general toxic to NA talent development, doesn't support American events, constantly shits on American players, starts drama over perceived "lazy Americans" every single time any of them has the audacity to do something like say they're playing Deus Ex on Twitter or having to forfeit and event due to IRL stuff. It's a storm of bullshit, constantly. It discourages organisers from putting on events and frankly it's not just a vocal minority, the numbers aren't there either, the majority of the viewerbase genuinely does not care about American talent. How can that be changed? Buggered if I know. Last SHOUTcraft we did was basically just a bunch of people slating the games for being awful and the sponsor lost money and even that had more than twice the viewership of the much much larger Enders Game event (based on public Twitch numbers).
So yeah, you have to be a brand and if you're recruiting NA you have to be recruiting brands too. The breakout performances that put NA players on the map are so few and far between it's like waiting to trip over a four-leafed clover. Honestly I think the way forward is getting NA players involved in teamleague and putting them up against Koreans. It's just a better format for foreigners since they have more time to prepare and less variables to worry about.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
Pretty sure that's not her, unless she is a male who plays a ton of DOTA 2. I am sure she would appreciate your message though if she's reading the thread.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
Mistaken identity strikes again.
Well on my iPhone it looked legit. Still, my point stands, regardless. Ladies are dope and we need more of them.
Congrats to Spyte for being able to join one of NA's top teams AND for catz for seeing the initiative on picking her up. I'll be honest here I only tune into her stream on occasion because it always baffles me to see her at the top of the streaming list with 2k+ viewers almost all the time.
When I do watch her play, I don't see any specific talents that might set her apart from other zerg players such as speed or strategical poise. However, I see something that is more important than talent and those traits are a positive mentality, a drive to learn, and no ego like 95% of other players seem to have (lack of gg's, I played like shit (which also assumes that you didn't play good), major rage comment inserted here, and the cancer threats).
Arguments aside about popularity, I think she deserves a chance to take her skill to the next level more then a lot of other no-name players out there. Above all, I think picking her up puts out a statement that a basic requirement in joining ANY major team is to be well mannered and good natured (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
On March 04 2014 03:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: Honestly I think the way forward is getting NA players involved in teamleague and putting them up against Koreans.
Then everyone will complain about no-skill cheesefest. Well... at least old good NA players gonna learn some new tricks.
Might be we, as community, are somewhat delusional in our demands and You might show us, what we secretly want, like Apple did. But i don't think that blaming consumer can solve anything and it's truly pathetic. I believe the main problem is incompetent casters. I even made a joke once: "What's common between a whore and SC2 caster? - They both get paid for the screaming". SC2 is pretty old game and it's hard to hype game with fake orgasm instead of clever analysis. It's also one of the reasons of the last "protoss no skill op" rage outbreak because it's really hard to see the little things(especially in timing based play) that differ pro from top master or even diamond player if you are not a pro yourself and that's what casters for.
Also i should admit, most of western players treat SC2 as a game, not full time sports. To become really good at something you must work hard on your weak side repeatedly untill it become one of your strongest and it's all about mental endurance and full commitment. I understend they get payed for streaming ladder and they picked SC2 not football or chess because it's more entertaining but it doesn't change law of physics.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
typical diamond leaguer calling out a female progamer
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
typical diamond leaguer calling out a female progamer
stick to mario party KID
Would not really call her a pro gamer at all, she's a stream personality wanting to get better at the game. Popular stream is always good for teams to get sponsors to throw more money around, overall a good thing for Root, and hopefully she gets better at the game in return.
On March 04 2014 04:27 Plansix wrote: This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
Nope, people would still find something to complain about. "lol who", "why not pick up X Korean who is available and much better" xD
And to other people in this thread, yeah a world where skill is valued just as much if not more so than pure personality would be great, but that's never been the case, in fact we're closer than we've ever been to that. Let's not forget that in the West opportunistic people like Fatal1ty, whose reputation far exceeds his actual skill, are still more famous and have made wayyyy more stack than people who are actually really good at FPS games... nuff said. ;p
On March 01 2014 21:45 paddyz wrote: ROOT has a way of picking up SC2 players I (& lots of other ppl like), makes it so easy to keep supporting them =D.
Best up luck to both. Happy to see em team up
Not hard to find them, find top streamers for the month...recruit.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
If she were a male player, she'd be on the Seed academy team, at best. So, really, the same discussion would take place. If you could be a plat player and get more views than someone like minigun, it's hard to blame any team that would pick that person up over a more skilled male. Honestly, I have no idea why most teams don't just become all female teams. The tournament scene is depressing. Not even sarcasm.
[/QUOTE] All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
I dont think that true. if root just picked up a random/ some what popular mid-high master streamer and put them on the main roster i think ppl would say some of the same thing like the fact that root has a amateur team that has GM that are already competing in tourneys and team league where (i might be wrong) but i dont think spyte is or at the level to compete yet.it might not be as talked about but it would be talked about. and dont get me wrong I wish all the luck to both root and spyte but IMO i think the best move would have been to put her on SEED because for one it still would get ppl talking but she would still have to work on her game and prove to her self and everyone that she deserves a spot on root by competing and winning. and not just because shes a female and popular which lets be honest is why shes on root not seed but this is an business and as you can see where still talking about it. which is a great move by catz. and really do you think she would get a spot on root if she wasnt a girl really?
On March 04 2014 04:27 Plansix wrote: This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
Nope, people would still find something to complain about. "lol who", "why not pick up X Korean who is available and much better" xD
And to other people in this thread, yeah a world where skill is valued just as much if not more so than pure personality would be great, but that's never been the case, in fact we're closer than we've ever been to that. Let's not forget that in the West opportunistic people like Fatal1ty, whose reputation far exceeds his actual skill, are still more famous and have made wayyyy more stack than people who are actually really good at FPS games... nuff said. ;p
?? didnt fatal1ty make most if not all his "stacks" from winning a bunch of fps tourneys? so im not sure what you mean yes team can pick up players cause there popular but he had to have some skill to win all them tourneys which made the reputation.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
" A male player of the same skill wouldn't get picked up by a professional team unless they had the stream numbers spyte does. I hate to burst your bubble but spyte isn't "rising talent"; she's a mid masters player, and got picked up because of stream numbers to show sponsors.
I really don't understand why there is this big of a discussion already. A female gamer got picked up by a professional team because of stream numbers, not because she's an up and coming GM player or something. OBVIOUSLY there is nothing wrong with this, it's good for both parties and the scene.
On March 03 2014 09:36 sigm wrote: Let's just hope she manages to pick up some skills over time to justify this. We wouldn't want to think that she was picked just to bring a pretty face to the team, right?
I bet she could beat you
Seeing as how I haven't played SC2 since the WoL beta, I bet 99% of the people in Bronze could beat me. That's why you don't see me in a professional team. But I don't really see how my inability to play has anything to do with her potential skill.
On March 04 2014 04:27 Plansix wrote: This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
Nope, people would still find something to complain about. "lol who", "why not pick up X Korean who is available and much better" xD
And to other people in this thread, yeah a world where skill is valued just as much if not more so than pure personality would be great, but that's never been the case, in fact we're closer than we've ever been to that. Let's not forget that in the West opportunistic people like Fatal1ty, whose reputation far exceeds his actual skill, are still more famous and have made wayyyy more stack than people who are actually really good at FPS games... nuff said. ;p
?? didnt fatal1ty make most if not all his "stacks" from winning a bunch of fps tourneys? so im not sure what you mean yes team can pick up players cause there popular but he had to have some skill to win all them tourneys which made the reputation.
On March 03 2014 03:36 Cheeseling wrote:2. I hope she is mentally ready for all this attention, especially random "it's only because you have boobs, show them", "i will subscribe if you blow" or even death threats. Being only female competitive progamer has its costs and it's like magnet for all the internet wilderness. I don't know if she has guts for this. All that hate can make your life 10 years shorter and for what, couple of gaming fame moments?
I never understand this argument, do you naively think that male games doesn't get a lot of death threats and hate too?
Best of luck to MsSpyte, interesting to see how she develops. As no other female player picked up at this level to a foreign team has gotten remotely close to being a competitive pro it'd be cool to see her be the one to do it
I don't see why the competitive scene 'needs' girls in it, if they get there they get there which would be cool
Actually its no surprise, 90% of foreign players are basically there for the marketing. I am still impressed that the whole system works and korean players havent taken all the foreign teams over yet.
If Lady Spyte brings new people and viewers into the sc2 scene/ her team, its good for everybody :D.
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
No, this is what people who don't care about the game want to see. The rest of us? We want to watch the actual game.
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
no. that's exactly the kind of poison mentality that makes the NA scene so bad, caring about drama over skill
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
No, this is what people who don't care about the game want to see. The rest of us? We want to watch the actual game.
Hell yes, we do. GSL and SPL atm, sprinkled with WCS EU. Sc2 content overflow.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
I don't think anyone would support a team picking up a mid masters player as part of their roster.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
I don't think anyone would support a team picking up a mid masters player as part of their roster.
Sure they would if the team said the player "has a lot if potential and will greatly improve with the practice our team provides." It's not like Xenocider was ripping up the NA ladder and crushing faces before RG signed him.
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
I have no idea how you define "excellent personality."
That being said, I would like to see more players take the heel role. They don't have to be assholes or anything, but, you know, play up the evil.
Anyway, Spyte rocks I hope she teaches ROOT a thing or two.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
I don't think anyone would support a team picking up a mid masters player as part of their roster.
Sure they would if the team said the player "has a lot if potential and will greatly improve with the practice our team provides." It's not like Xenocider was ripping up the NA ladder and crushing faces before RG signed him.
I'm sure Xenocider was doing well in GM before then. For a team to pick up a mid-master player, popularity aside, they would have to be around 10 years old to really intrigue any one enough. Just look at SEED, though; I believe they had Intense: a young NA Terran player who is not only GM on NA but was GM on Korea. The guy has high apm and all the attributes you'd look for, yet not enough to get on the main team. If he was a girl, GM on NA, alone, obviously would have been enough, though.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Don't worry, the majority of the community is pumped your on the team. The minority are just having the debate that always happens when female gamers come up. It's the standard "she's a girl and there are boys that are better than her in my opinion. Why you no pick them up?!?"
Sometimes the community forgets that girls are dope and more girls in the community makes everything better.
It's not about girls lol It's hard to not debate/get worked up when something happens that shows that foreign Starcraft is still quite a long ways from becoming something more legitimate. The day when popularity is not more lucrative than skill is a day I look forward to, and a day I really hope comes. Gender is meaningless to me.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of "I don't think she should have gotten the slot and only get it because she is a lady," masked behind arguments of how evolved the scene is in NA. This discuss would not exist she was a male player of the same skill. Everyone would just say that it's awesome Root is investing in rising talent.
And it's does change the fact the female players are dope and the cut off for them being accepted into the scene should be "smash at least 4 code S Korean players to over come the questions caused by your gender"
I don't think anyone would support a team picking up a mid masters player as part of their roster.
Sure they would if the team said the player "has a lot if potential and will greatly improve with the practice our team provides." It's not like Xenocider was ripping up the NA ladder and crushing faces before RG signed him.
He was top 50 gm NA, and is 16 years old. You should know that's an awful example.
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
No, this is what people who don't care about the game want to see. The rest of us? We want to watch the actual game.
The NA scene was always built on personalities and storylines. If you wanted to watch SC2 purely for the game you ignored the foreign scene and only watched GSL + big international events. And for most people there needs to be a combination of storyline and impressive gameplay.
If teams are picking up foreigners with mediocre results instead of getting a korean who is flatout better than them and probably even demands a lot less it is good, but if they pick up a girl instead of a guy its problematic ? Please stop this bullshit, going by this logic 90% of the foreigners would be teamless.
Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
On March 05 2014 13:57 Mikku wrote: Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
It's not wrong at all to ask legit questions, I personally avoid stream personalities Twitch chat, most of the time mods are jerks or uptight when people ask legit questions. A good portion of them are pretty rude.
On March 05 2014 13:57 Mikku wrote: Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
It's not because she's a girl though, at least not fully. She may get the stream numbers she does partly because she's a girl, but ROOT probably picked her up because she has those stream numbers, is a nice person, has a quality stream, and possibly also because she's in masters league as a girl, which is rare and might get ROOT a spot in some all girl tournys or something. To say ROOT picked her up just because she's a girl is completely false and I can see why mods might see it as offensive to assume she has success only because she's a girl.
On March 05 2014 13:57 Mikku wrote: Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
How about: "Because she is a successful streamer"? You could ask "Why is she a successful streamer" and that probably has to do with her being female, but that's an other question. edit: Q_Q i took too long
On March 05 2014 13:57 Mikku wrote: Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
How about: "Because she is a successful streamer"? You could ask "Why is she a successful streamer" and that probably has to do with her being female, but that's an other question. edit: Q_Q i took too long
I just find it funny that in times when we got to the stage of development where we are redefining terms like "male" and "female" and accept people who are different (which is as it should be), we need to be so careful with our words and how we will phrase things in a simple every day conversation to avoid judgement and sanctions (in this case getting banned from some stream). You have progression of rights at one end and regression (in a sense) on other end, like freedom of speech. So you have people who are very liberal on one hand, but at the same time very rigid and ready to call out someone for saying his opinion and/or stating a fact.
I guess trolls are also to blame since it is sometimes hard to distinguish a genuine question or answer from a troll attempt since there is a lot of immature people, especially on twitch.
But you have white knights even here in this thread, calling TotalBiscuit out for saying "biological female".
It is the same as people who pretend males and females (in biological sense of the word) are equal in every way. No they have a lot of differences but should be treated equally. There is a big difference.
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
No, this is what people who don't care about the game want to see. The rest of us? We want to watch the actual game.
lol were this true there wouldn't be a foreign scene. ^_^
On March 04 2014 05:23 EJK wrote: (idra rage will 99.999999% of the time get you nowhere unless you are idra)
But this is what we all want to see. the sc2 scene is pretty boring now. No-one 'shots firied' or calling people out anymore, theres simply noone around getting the hype train going. is still watch just as much sc2 as ever but it really does seem processional now. same filler comments from casters about quite boring people who we know not much about
destiny, idra, combatex and a few others were excellent personalities love to hate them or whatever . . .damn i miss these days
No, this is what people who don't care about the game want to see. The rest of us? We want to watch the actual game.
lol were this true there wouldn't be a foreign scene. ^_^
I never hinted at the proportion of real fans to drama-hungry people, unlike the other guy who literally said " this is what we all want to see", I just pointed out the factual inaccuracy of what he was suggesting. ^_^
I have one legit question. When i see her streaming most of the time there are some concurrent high level korean streams including zerg ones. Why someone would watch mid master NA zerg instead of pro? - hint "boobs" And shure it will transfer to ROOT SC2 scene penetration. Lets call it for fun sake "the Double Penetration Approach". They got some legit players for competition (since usually tournaments have no webcam boobs work slightly worse, but still gonna attract some eyeballs with "wow it's a real girl" effect) and some successful web-personalities, by most part, foreigners one of which happens to has a pair of boobs bundled with it and this is as beneficial for his\her career as, for examplem, Ukrainian roots for Kas, Dimaga, HappyZerg or even White-Ra for those guys to be popular in Ukraine or Russia.
Also i would suggest to the CatZ sometime down the road getting her enpregnant and push this story as "the e-sports seedlings" or "e-sports dynasty" and make a f-ton of photos for the Facebook and exclusive e-delivery materials for the TL - ths way you will show that e-sports isn't dying, that you have long term comitment and all those e-money can support full family. For now you can make video in EG spirit. Call it "snow white and 12 gamers" might be something like Rammstein Sonne video clip - I quite enjoyed it.
PS. If you guys need some more perverted suggestions or more details - call me, it's a shame but im always available
I am wondering why people have such strong opinions on this matter. As far as I see it, its an interesting development in E-Sports. Does Spyte get a easier way into Root just because she is a girl? Maybe. But then again she has to put up with all this crap that people talk about. Im not sure If Id ever like to be in her position.
My only hope is that she will toss those useless and pointless opinions away and focus on people who support her.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Becoming a known player is like becoming a known politician. Seeing people talk crap is part of the job descrition. Dont let it get to you. Enjoy those who support you, ignore those that dont. Thats how you choose your friends. Those who want to see you happy and those who dont. Life is too short to worry about everything.
On March 05 2014 13:57 Mikku wrote: Mods at her stream are quite stiff. After answering someones question "Why she is at Root as master level player." with "Because she is a girl." ... I have been banned from a channel for a while. ... do people find it wrong to say this? Because it is obvious reason for me. ... I am part of pr dpt. of local clothing company, and we have girls on our team, that are not as good at snowboarding or skateboarding as their male team mates, but they are good adition for ads, partners, community and so on ... to say that it is something different in this case is just not true ...
It's not because she's a girl though, at least not fully. She may get the stream numbers she does partly because she's a girl, but ROOT probably picked her up because she has those stream numbers, is a nice person, has a quality stream, and possibly also because she's in masters league as a girl, which is rare and might get ROOT a spot in some all girl tournys or something. To say ROOT picked her up just because she's a girl is completely false and I can see why mods might see it as offensive to assume she has success only because she's a girl.
Im sorry, i have no idea why ROOT picked her up and all the best to the team and her but everything you explain above is a result of her being a girl.
-Successful stream, quality stream - because she's a girl. Plenty other quality streams of master players out there that dont get the same attention. -ROOT might get a spot in an all-female tourney -Because she's in masters league and is a girl -Nice person, yes, all the other master players out there are assholes!
Like i said, i have no idea why they picked her up and all the best but you just listed a bunch of things that support the "picked up because girl" arguement and then said the opposite lol.
Personally i'd assume the pickup was due to stream success which brings more attention to ROOT. I doubt it has much more behind it.
On March 04 2014 03:46 SPYTE wrote: well this is awkward.................
Becoming a known player is like becoming a known politician. Seeing people talk crap is part of the job descrition. Dont let it get to you. Enjoy those who support you, ignore those that dont. Thats how you choose your friends. Those who want to see you happy and those who dont. Life is too short to worry about everything.
EPT![[image loading]](http://root-gaming.com/uploads/20140228-rootSPYTE(1).jpg)
Been watching her from time to time, she's becoming really good! Nice pickup. :D![[image loading]](http://www.marriedtothesea.com/010609/lady-parade.gif)
