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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab. | ||
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ThorPool
Panama145 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 03 2014 02:12 Joedaddy wrote: ROOT =( Its sad to see ROOT reduce itself to what appears to be a shameless publicity grab. ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits. How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams. So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 02 2014 09:40 Tipany wrote: That's true. I didn't think that you felt like she didn't deserve it though, so no worries. I guess my point was just that given her situation (female/top 20? streamer/good personality/whatever), it's not surprising that she got on the team. And I can understand putting her on the main team due to the fact that she does well in all-female tournaments. If someone is good, even in a niche, they'll get put in with the "big boys." EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't forget potential. By putting her on the team, maybe she'll improve that much more quickly and be looking at a higher skill cap. It's a really good investment. She actually said she would never compete in all-female tournaments on her stream because in her opinion, there shouldn't be such distinction. She said it right before that last Ladies of the Swarm tournament. And now I see her on a pro team. It is kind of strange to be honest. I tuned in on her stream a couple of times and it is a good stream and she is a solid master league zerg player but I must say this caught me by surprise. She doesn't want to compete in female-only tournaments and she is not good enough yet to play in a "regular tournament". So I am not quite sure what is her goal and the team goal... maybe to help her get to high GM level and then she will start to compete? Or is it just because her stream is popular (the EG way of doing things...) Anyway I am glad for her because she seems like a nice person and I feel it is good that we have more females in the SC2 community, there is no biological reason (as far as I know) why women couldn't compete with men in an eSport like SC2. | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
I assume you're referring to scarlett but the whole biological thing just got a little comical | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
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Cheeseling
Ukraine132 Posts
On March 03 2014 02:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits. How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams. So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks. You are talking about "biologically female" like if it's some sort of a healthy food.. In the IT we also have similar program for luring females and sometime it can do more harm than good. For example: 1. Person thinks that she's valuable only because of gender and since it's for what they are paying her she will do some gray semi inappropriate things like some female game correspondents posting their pics, getting involved in the wired sexual conversations. So basically playing available because that's what puberty boys wants. 2. I hope she is mentally ready for all this attention, especially random "it's only because you have boobs, show them", "i will subscribe if you blow" or even death threats. Being only female competitive progamer has its costs and it's like magnet for all the internet wilderness. I don't know if she has guts for this. All that hate can make your life 10 years shorter and for what, couple of gaming fame moments? 3. If she got to GM on her own with some skype coaching before openly joining ROOTS it could reduce headache and butthurt for everyone. I think CatZ was pretty commited to make to soб but he failed while many managed to reach GM without pro help. It's sad but true. She might be not good enough and her future failure will kill last hope for female SC2 4.Special care is poisonous for any team. It's hard to accept that you, korean player, are working hard like a madman while someone in your team earning it easy because he\she is foreigner or female and it's even harder when some of your friends thrown away because he's not good enough while someone much less professional stays in or if you had to coach "special person" in your free time. It generates tremendous tension in both ways. I would sincerely recommend CatZ to be honest with her and make a deal. She must fulfill it in given time or she's out no matter what. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
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Tanzklaue
Germany1413 Posts
On March 03 2014 02:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits. How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams. So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks. what about all those other high masters players who are determined and willing but not female? nobody will ever add them unless they reach GM AND get a breakouttournament result ala scarlett. let's be honest to ourselves: spyte wasn't added because of potential; there are others who have mor epotential or even showed that they are really good. spyte was added as a PR move, and that's okay. it's the same thing with casters or other community figures: they are hired for promotion, not because people expect them to do well. she of course has the chance to become a real pro now, but even then it doesn't change the original reason of her being hired. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On March 03 2014 03:23 Qwerty85 wrote: She actually said she would never compete in all-female tournaments on her stream because in her opinion, there shouldn't be such distinction. She said it right before that last Ladies of the Swarm tournament. And now I see her on a pro team. It is kind of strange to be honest. I tuned in on her stream a couple of times and it is a good stream and she is a solid master league zerg player but I must say this caught me by surprise. She doesn't want to compete in female-only tournaments and she is not good enough yet to play in a "regular tournament". So I am not quite sure what is her goal and the team goal... maybe to help her get to high GM level and then she will start to compete? Or is it just because her stream is popular (the EG way of doing things...) Anyway I am glad for her because she seems like a nice person and I feel it is good that we have more females in the SC2 community, there is no biological reason (as far as I know) why women couldn't compete with men in an eSport like SC2. Kind of agree with you there. While I have to agree with somewhat with others, this will gain ROOT some more publicity, but that's going to happen to ANY team that picks up ANY competative female player. It's pretty much inevitable. She says herself she's more of an entertainer and I think that's fine. Rotterdam was on ROOT (and may still be) and he's a caster. So was Nathanias for a while and I can name a couple others who haven't been active competitors in the SC2 scene but still are on the team. From a business standpoint though, as said, picking Spyte over any other player at the same level is a good choice. I don't really have anything to say against that; it just is. She's not the greatest player out there, but she definitely has a chance to become a really good foreigner now! That said, I've checked Msspyte over the last few months and apparently she's done with university now and has already gone to full time streaming. This will help her a TON with her stream viewers aswell, but it could also greatly increase her play to the point where she actually DOES play in MLGs and WCS'es. I think this is one of the most beneficial pickups for both parties there has been in a while and I'm really glad it happened. As said before though, happy for her and hope she does well in the future! | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On March 03 2014 02:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: ROOT has had plenty of other players who are not a competitive level before, but I guess this one is unacceptable because it has tits. How exactly are female gamers supposed to reach a competitive level if they don't have the support of a team? There is no biologically female SC2 player to the best of my knowledge who is even competitive with NA male progamers let alone anyone else. It's pretty clear that there isn't going to be a female break-through player without a lot of work put into it which includes team support. The first team to actually produce a competitive biologically female progamer for SC2 has a lot to gain in terms of publicity and respect not to mention that it would massively advance the female progaming scene for SC2, which in my opinion is an objective that benefits everyone. Spyte actually has a shot at making it to that level alongside Maddelisk in the EU. They both play enough and obviously have the drive to get to that level, they both have the support of pro teams. So yeah, I find it fairly disgraceful to see comments like this. Talk about making it impossible for females to ever break into SC2 progaming when everytime one of them joins a proteam supposed "supporters" of that team attack them and the organisation. Quit killing esports, thanks. He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely. I think it's fine either way but discussions should really be specific about which issue is being argued. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:28 NonY wrote: He didn't mention it having anything to do with her being female though? She's just another low-skill, high-popularity streamer. That's a different issue completely. That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to. what about all those other high masters players who are determined and willing but not female? nobody will ever add them unless they reach GM AND get a breakouttournament result ala scarlett. let's be honest to ourselves: spyte wasn't added because of potential; there are others who have mor epotential or even showed that they are really good. spyte was added as a PR move, and that's okay. it's the same thing with casters or other community figures: they are hired for promotion, not because people expect them to do well. she of course has the chance to become a real pro now, but even then it doesn't change the original reason of her being hired. But I didn't deny that it was a PR move, in fact I repeatedly espoused the PR benefits of such a move. Hate to say it but this is a business and the only way it survives is if it is treated like one. Far too many members of this community don't think that way and their attitudes are generally destructive as a result. The scene is not being damaged by female players getting picked up by teams and successful female players will be an asset which will help the scene grow. You're gonna have to forgive me if I don't feel that Jimmy High Masters not getting a spot on a team makes a difference. It's not a zero-sum game. Hiring a female player does not mean a male player won't get the spot. | ||
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NeuroticPsychosis
United States322 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: That's pedantic NonY and you know it. The publicity grab remark makes it obvious as to what he is referring to. It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
This isn't a signing like the LivinPink or whatever, this is a player who obviously wants to take it to the next level and she is very popular ontop of it. | ||
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blankers
United States3 Posts
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
The other females who got signed with pro teams or used to try to get publicity seemed to failed and only used it to promote themselves as a lot of those females don't even play sc2 very often or are even worse back to low dim level ect. I would say she's far above average Joe master NA player for sure. Her mechanics are pretty good as well. It's not like she's some leaching model that pretends to like Esports to try to get money or casting jobs. She's actually loves SC2 and been playing it at a high level since WOL. | ||
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Rasias
Germany51 Posts
On March 03 2014 04:48 NonY wrote: It's not pedantic. You're just being cynical. If you don't even trust the people you're discussing an issue with, what's the point? The publicity grab refers directly to her being a popular streamer... that's the core of the other issue, valuing popularity over skill. The "cynical" brit is being cynical.. wow.. who'd expect that. | ||
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