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All of the online qualifiers for the IEM World Championship in Katowice have concluded, confirming 12/16 of the players at the $100,000 event. The following three players qualified through the Asian, American, and European qualifiers played online:
The list of qualified players is as follows:
Qualified from IEM Season 8 events:  Oz,  Revival, NaNiwa, Life, herO[jOin], San, MC
Invited: sOs,  TaeJa
Online qualifier winners: Rogue, StarDust, jjakji
Four spots still remain in the tournament. Two will go to the finalists of the upcoming IEM Cologne event, and the final two spots will go to the winners of the live, open bracket at Katowice.
The IEM World Championship will take place on March 14-16.
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mYimasters, ggwp StarDust and jjakji, excited to see how NaNiwa performs.
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All players qualifying through the American, Asian AND European are Korean? Suprise! 
Anyways - Seems like its going to be a really sick tournament. Hope TaeJa and jjakji can bring something to the table here..
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mYi is really starting to establish itself as a top tier team.
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It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
So it's the Koreans fault that the foreigners can not beat them consistently?
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On February 10 2014 07:06 fjjotizz wrote:All players qualifying through the American, Asian AND European are Korean? Suprise!
I think the bigger surprise to most people would be the fact that one of each race qualified. The players themselves shouldn't be that much of a surprise though, considering how good they are. ;p
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I am stupid. For some reason I thought StarDust was Duckdeok and was super excited to see that he didn't actually retire... Now I am super sad again T_T
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
Quite the opposite actually, the games are better now. Koreans are more interesting than foreigners anyway.
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haha 3 koreans not suprised
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On February 10 2014 07:25 Azelja wrote:
I am stupid. For some reason I thought StarDust was Duckdeok and was super excited to see that he didn't actually retire... Now I am super sad again T_T
we should all be glad that stardust is stardust
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Every tournament is 70% toss, 20% zerg, 10% terran. Getting old.
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I hope Jaedong and Innovation will make it in from Cologne because I'll puke if even more protoss goes to Katowice but since I got the ticket for that event and we all know how it looks nowadays it safe to say that another 2P will make it.
They could have invited Maru or Soulkey instead of sOs but oh well...
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This tournament is going to be super super sick, hopefully we see strong showings from non-protoss at Cologne so we can watch less PvP
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple.
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how big is the open bracket?
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On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple.
I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do.
Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier".
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Looking forward to all the Z action!
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Iem korea is going to be sick. And I mean it. Thk god the foreigner disability players are minimal. Would of been a bore fest of lottery games.
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The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer.
They should use that money to bribe Davhed Keem into more poor development and balance decisions.
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On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier".
Actually the on-site open bracket is only for regular IEM tournaments, no previous World Championship IEM event has had one up until now.
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Kind of sad SK didn't make it in the end, otherwise really happy, all the players had sick runs taking down some big names, looking forward to IEM Katowice.
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I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender.
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On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer.
Because Stardust qualified? Really?
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On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really?
MC's gonna take it anyway. %)
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On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier".
I feel like you are arguing semantics. The players who qualified deserve to be there. Whether they are the "best" is irrelevant and too hard to determine anyway. Honestly, there's no such thing as "the best" until we see a "SC2 Bonjwa" which we haven't and I doubt we ever will.
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On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender.
I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled.
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On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really?
because sOs is playing, silly
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On February 10 2014 07:59 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier". I feel like you are arguing semantics. The players who qualified deserve to be there. Whether they are the "best" is irrelevant and too hard to determine anyway. Honestly, there's no such thing as "the best" until we see a "SC2 Bonjwa" which we haven't and I doubt we ever will.
I just wanted to bring up the good old Stephano vs Naniwa rivalry and remind how they used to trash talk, then again one could argue that there could be much more interesting players there than oz and revival which no1 has heard off after they got released by EG.
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On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled.
You're definitely right that there are plenty of people here on TL happy that it will be almost solely Korean players. But I mainly care about the viability of SC2, and I think it's fair to say that making a format where the tournament participants will almost exclusively be Korean is not helpful for the viewer numbers, nor healthy for the SC2 scene. Fewer casual fans will care and teams will have to hire Korean players in order to have any visibility. It's a vicious circle, in my opinion.
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On February 10 2014 08:03 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? because sOs is playing, silly
sOs has to rediscover his championship form before that though, because its been nonexistent since blizzcon
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On February 10 2014 07:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? MC's gonna take it anyway. %)
If MC were to win it, he would be #1 esports earner of all time. :D
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On February 10 2014 07:22 Firestorm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. So it's the Koreans fault that the foreigners can not beat them consistently?
No, its not their fault.
Its just sad. Very sad.
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On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple.
No, its not that simple.
At soccer WCS their are teams form africa playin, and i like it. Teams from asia playin - and i like it.
But they are not the best in the world. And their is noone who wants only Europe Teams + Brasil and Argentina at WCS. Its a mix, and thats how it should be.
If you use the word "simple", think about it first...
Cause as you see, one can have diffrent opinions about the topic!
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On February 10 2014 08:14 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled. You're definitely right that there are plenty of people here on TL happy that it will be almost solely Korean players. But I mainly care about the viability of SC2, and I think it's fair to say that making a format where the tournament participants will almost exclusively be Korean is not helpful for the viewer numbers, nor healthy for the SC2 scene. Fewer casual fans will care and teams will have to hire Korean players in order to have any visibility. It's a vicious circle, in my opinion.
But then again, what do you do? You can only artificially keep foreigners and Koreans away from each other for so long until they inevitably meet again and the end result will not change. We cannot possibly exile all Korean pros to the Korean penisula and tell them to play there either, first and foremost because there's nothing to support them there. I undarstand your notion of watching foreiner players duke it out with Koreans - I would like to see that very much also, but on equal footing, not as cannon fodder. It's in every foreign SC2 pro's best intrest to try and mimick whatever it is that Koreans are doing and try to measure to their standards, as long as they're unable to, we'll see tournaments look like this.
Edit: Went full rant mode but the most important thing is that I have tickets for March 15 and 16 and I'm happy to be able to see all of those players :D
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On February 10 2014 08:42 Bjarne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. No, its not that simple. At soccer WCS their are teams form africa playin, and i like it. Teams from asia playin - and i like it. But they are not the best in the world. And their is noone who wants only Europe Teams + Brasil and Argentina at WCS. Its a mix, and thats how it should be. If you use the word "simple", think about it first... Cause as you see, one can have diffrent opinions about the topic!
I don't think soccer is an appropriate comparison. Mainly because SC2 is a 1v1 sport, while soccer is a team sport and in case of the World Championship a nations-sport. I'd rather compare it to tennis, tbh.
There are many ATP/WTA tournaments (like with IEM) and at end of the year there's the world finals with the 8 best players of the season. If these 8 players turn out to be exclusively Swiss ( :-P ), so be it.
At the Grand Slam tournaments everyone's allowed to participate, but the respective national players got some kind of Wildcards. I think this format works better as a comparison 
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On February 10 2014 08:14 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled. You're definitely right that there are plenty of people here on TL happy that it will be almost solely Korean players. But I mainly care about the viability of SC2, and I think it's fair to say that making a format where the tournament participants will almost exclusively be Korean is not helpful for the viewer numbers, nor healthy for the SC2 scene. Fewer casual fans will care and teams will have to hire Korean players in order to have any visibility. It's a vicious circle, in my opinion.
The only reason why foreigner fans care less about Koreans than foreign players is because 95% of Koreans do not speak English or are too shy to even attempt. Even Taeja (who should be relatively fluent in terms of Korean progamer standards after years of playing on a foreign team and going to foreign tournaments) is shy to use English.
If all the Koreans spoke perfect English, this would not be an issue.
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On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled.
Haha, I love it that in our little, unique scene I am a foreigner belonging to an inferior group of people containing over 6950000000 people xD
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On February 10 2014 08:58 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:42 Bjarne wrote:On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. No, its not that simple. At soccer WCS their are teams form africa playin, and i like it. Teams from asia playin - and i like it. But they are not the best in the world. And their is noone who wants only Europe Teams + Brasil and Argentina at WCS. Its a mix, and thats how it should be. If you use the word "simple", think about it first... Cause as you see, one can have diffrent opinions about the topic! I don't think soccer is an appropriate comparison. Mainly because SC2 is a 1v1 sport, while soccer is a team sport and in case of the World Championship a nations-sport. I'd rather compare it to tennis, tbh. There are many ATP/WTA tournaments (like with IEM) and at end of the year there's the world finals with the 8 best players of the season. If these 8 players turn out to be exclusively Swiss ( :-P ), so be it. At the Grand Slam tournaments everyone's allowed to participate, but the respective national players got some kind of Wildcards. I think this format works better as a comparison
Or just ping-pong man, ping-pong. Every national team is mostly Chinese. Wonder if their community has even half as much outcry about it?
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PartinG is going to win Katowice. oh wait.......
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On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier".
You beg to differ the best players are Korean? And one retired broodlord infestor abuser is your evidence?
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man if sOs were to take this, he'd have made $200,000 from this and Blizzcon in only a couple months. How crazy would that be?
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thought jjakji was european not american..
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inb4 jjakji eliminates taeja in the first round
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On February 10 2014 09:41 GoodSirTets wrote:
thought jjakji was european not american..
i don't think the qualifiers were region locked
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Jjakji's public domain, he's Amercan-European-Korean
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On February 10 2014 09:00 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled. Haha, I love it that in our little, unique scene I am a foreigner belonging to an inferior group of people containing over 6950000000 people xD
I'm confused as to what you are saying and the purpose so I won't respond to this O.O... Just going to point out there are NOT 6,950,000,000 foreign players and there are a number of reasons why Korean are dominant and it has nothing to do with inferiority or superiority of race or nationality...
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On February 10 2014 09:19 RatzBarcode wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier". You beg to differ the best players are Korean? And one retired broodlord infestor abuser is your evidence?
lol ummm what?
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It is a shame SoulKey, JaeDong or Innovation weren't invited over sOs. They each had better collective years than sOs.
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Oh God....Naniwa is the only foreigner......WIN THIS SHIT !!!! go Nani !
EDIT : Is Scarlet competing or she out ?
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Naniwa the lone foreigner yet again.
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
Considering they are the very best, it is a good thing for SC2.
If everyone, meaning even inferiour players, were able to qualify over korean progamers, this would show some heavy issues with the game/unit design, as inferiour players should never be able to win that game against a better one.
Sure, thx to cheese &co. it is possible to take of maps, but not tournaments from better ones. So seeing only koreans(besides: nani) is fine by me, it also improves the quality of the games
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On February 10 2014 07:34 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Every tournament is 70% toss, 20% zerg, 10% terran. Getting old.
every? Really?
GSL, yeah. And some others recently. But at least 3 Terrans are able to pull off some victories still: look at the top 3 Terrans at Proleague.
Well the 10% T part will be changed with the super useful ghost upgrade
On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple.
agree - though more mixed nations would also be fine, at least as feeds or something. World championship in every other sport means, every nation can send players to the playoffs and players of one nations cannot get to other qualification rounds if they fail at their initial ones.
Imagine soccer world championships where only Brasil will play...
Or, if we are talking about 1v1 Sports or leagues where u have to qualify first: pingpong, tennis etc.
Or: In Formula 1 only Finnish drivers are allowed to drive (because the Championship per population ratio is highest for the Finnish people)On February 10 2014 09:54 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:41 GoodSirTets wrote:
thought jjakji was european not american.. i don't think the qualifiers were region locked
no, they weren't. Dear, Polt and others participated as well at the US Qualifiers, as at the EU qualis
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On February 10 2014 12:45 izmatic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:19 RatzBarcode wrote:On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier". You beg to differ the best players are Korean? And one retired broodlord infestor abuser is your evidence? lol ummm what?
Agreed, Stephano was to me very well known to abuse one single tactic, and it was not broodlord infestor.
Anybody watching him play ZvP probably knows what it was.
edit: I wonder who dares to show up to the open bracket of Katowice. :o
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On February 10 2014 17:46 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 12:45 izmatic wrote:On February 10 2014 09:19 RatzBarcode wrote:On February 10 2014 07:46 Scoobers wrote:On February 10 2014 07:36 Swisslink wrote:On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It's a World Championship. The best players are supposed to play there - and Koreans are the best players. Simple. I beg to differ that necesairly "the best" and I'm sure that Stephano begs to differ even more than I do. Btw those 2 other spots are just from the typical open bracket we used to have at IEM tournements last year? Meaning you can sign up for the spot in it and play at the event? It's kinda confusing since it's called "Open Bracket Qualifier". You beg to differ the best players are Korean? And one retired broodlord infestor abuser is your evidence? lol ummm what? Agreed, Stephano was to me very well known to abuse one single tactic, and it was not broodlord infestor. Anybody watching him play ZvP probably knows what it was. edit: I wonder who dares to show up to the open bracket of Katowice. :o
Now, I am intrigued:
Stephano was known for his roach-play. Didn't know HE was the one that abused Winf+GGlord to the max. In fact every TvZ, PvZ lategame looked like this, especially by koreans. So why Stephano the abuser?
And: Stephano developed his Roach-maxout in 2011 and very soon after it, he developed some other strats. Also made Hydralisks work again etc. Now he abuses Swarmhosts a lot in GM (unfortunately he doesn't play progames anymore)
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On February 10 2014 10:28 AnonymousSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:00 Penev wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled. Haha, I love it that in our little, unique scene I am a foreigner belonging to an inferior group of people containing over 6950000000 people xD I'm confused as to what you are saying and the purpose so I won't respond to this O.O... Just going to point out there are NOT 6,950,000,000 foreign players and there are a number of reasons why Korean are dominant and it has nothing to do with inferiority or superiority of race or nationality...
Wut? O.O
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On February 10 2014 19:03 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 10:28 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 09:00 Penev wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 AnonymousSC2 wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 m0ck wrote:
I hope IEM feels that the competitiveness of getting another three Koreans through the qualifiers is worth the lower viewer interest that a tournament with so little foreigner participation will engender. I'm a foreigner and I'd say having better players is more attractive than just having some foreigners that will 100% lose in the first round. Maybe not everyone feels this way but I feel your view is not neccessarily representative of how all foreigners feel. It's always more exciting to have a foreigner go far, but it's never exciting to see foreigners get trampled. Haha, I love it that in our little, unique scene I am a foreigner belonging to an inferior group of people containing over 6950000000 people xD I'm confused as to what you are saying and the purpose so I won't respond to this O.O... Just going to point out there are NOT 6,950,000,000 foreign players and there are a number of reasons why Korean are dominant and it has nothing to do with inferiority or superiority of race or nationality... Wut? O.O
I think he took what you said a little too seriously :p
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On February 10 2014 08:24 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? MC's gonna take it anyway. %) If MC were to win it, he would be #1 esports earner of all time. :D
SC2 maybe.
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On February 10 2014 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:24 vult wrote:On February 10 2014 07:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? MC's gonna take it anyway. %) If MC were to win it, he would be #1 esports earner of all time. :D SC2 maybe.
http://www.esportsearnings.com/players
MC is less than $100,000 away from JD.
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On February 10 2014 22:07 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 08:24 vult wrote:On February 10 2014 07:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? MC's gonna take it anyway. %) If MC were to win it, he would be #1 esports earner of all time. :D SC2 maybe. http://www.esportsearnings.com/playersMC is less than $100,000 away from JD.
Don't know how much I can trust this site considering they botched Fatal1ty's earnings for one thing. I literally had to do no more than take all the numbers from his Wikipedia earnings page and add it all up, to see that they underestimate it by a good 10 grand. And that's just Wikipedia, which itself is incomplete (and I've been able to find more tournament earnings not listed there within a couple of minutes).
Just saying yo. Fatal1ty is easily the most monetarily successful in terms of tournament winnings, he's made well over 500k, of course not counting any other deals, salaries, sponsorships and endorsements, of which he's also had plenty. ^^
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I care more about quality of games than the amount of flags I see when I check liquipedia.
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On February 10 2014 22:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 22:07 slowbacontron wrote:On February 10 2014 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 08:24 vult wrote:On February 10 2014 07:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2014 07:57 ZAiNs wrote:On February 10 2014 07:50 IncubusSC wrote:
The Protoss race is a $100,000 richer. Because Stardust qualified? Really? MC's gonna take it anyway. %) If MC were to win it, he would be #1 esports earner of all time. :D SC2 maybe. http://www.esportsearnings.com/playersMC is less than $100,000 away from JD. Don't know how much I can trust this site considering they botched Fatal1ty's earnings for one thing. I literally had to do no more than take all the numbers from his Wikipedia earnings page and add it all up, to see that they underestimate it by a good 10 grand. And that's just Wikipedia, which itself is incomplete (and I've been able to find more tournament earnings not listed there within a couple of minutes). Just saying yo. Fatal1ty is easily the most monetarily successful in terms of tournament winnings, he's made well over 500k, of course not counting any other deals, salaries, sponsorships and endorsements, of which he's also had plenty. ^^
No doubt esportsearnings isn't complete, but it didn't take long to find a mistake in the Wikipedia page, where Fatal1ty was listed as earning 10,000 USD instead of 1,000 in ESWC 2004. Another Wikipedia prize that wasn't in esportsearnings, the XSR Invitational in 2000, gives Fatal1ty $15000 but a Google search shows disputes between whether the prize was 15000 or "Bragging Rights". And the last event Wiki has but not esportsearnings, is his result "1st CPL Australia ($10,500)" in Quake III. I can't find any sources for or against this, but the other Quake III national CPL events (Holland, Brazil) didn't seem to earn him any money (or maybe they did and THOSE events are missing sources? I really don't know).
So in conclusion, I dunno, I won't side with any earnings site, but I believe the possibility of Fatal1ty's (and JD's) earnings to be < MC's+$100,000 to be plausible.
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Honestly I have a huge hardon for foreign players and this can be seen in virtually any LR I've posted in. But I'm happy with just Naniwa, although I wouldn't mind seeing Scarlett as a second foreigner. They can actually compete to that caliber and take games off nearly any player. Without a good amount of luck/throwing the same cannot be said about very many other foreigners.
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Hoping Jaedong can make it to this. 
We need him for the hype!
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why people whining about koreans
how about the foreigners train harder, stop sucking, and step up their game. many foreigners past and present could compete with koreans because they put in the work and it showed. the rest don't deserve a free pass. sc2 is essentially a meritocracy (ignoring the coin flippy build order wins) and not a welfare state. this is the harsh reality of life, if you don't work hard, you're going to get surpassed. don't know why everyone is crying about a basic fact.
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7P 3Z and 2T. something feels wrong here. i hope that the T and Z will get far, semifinals of PvPvPvP wont be that interesting.
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On February 10 2014 22:27 Aserrin wrote:
I care more about quality of games than the amount of flags I see when I check liquipedia.
Exactly my thought...good post
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The one thing that I will argue for foreigners in general, is that they have to use unorthodox strategies because they'll lose to Koreans in a straight-up macro fight almost all of the time, or get wrecked trying. So at least I know I'm getting some sort of fast paced action instead of another captain standard man TvP.
It's actually the reason I love Elfi so much even when he doesn't deliver.
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
I admit it feels more special when you got some foreigners to cheer for. Though as a Swede i'm pretty happy with Naniwa, it's such a hard lineup tho so you''ll need more luck than ever, skill isn't enough here i think. But if any foreigner got a chance , it's Naniwa. But we should be glad it's only the best of the best that are competing.
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On February 10 2014 22:27 Aserrin wrote:
I care more about quality of games than the amount of flags I see when I check liquipedia.
Touché!
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On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2..
It is sad, and IMHO one of the biggest reasons SC2 seems to be past its peak popularity.
While the Koreans are the best players, no doubt, it makes the tournaments much less appealing to us casual fans and the masses when we cannot cheer for our countrymen or women.
I am sure the games will be great ...
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On February 11 2014 22:23 cheggelund wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:21 walkeraki3 wrote:
It is sad nowdays when you check brackets and see nothing else but korean flag.. Sad era for SC2.. It is sad, and IMHO one of the biggest reasons SC2 seems to be past its peak popularity. While the Koreans are the best players, no doubt, it makes the tournaments much less appealing to us casual fans and the masses when we cannot cheer for our countrymen or women. I am sure the games will be great ...
Agreed, it's probably one of the reasons.
It's fun to watch Koreans in GSL and Pro league, but when they dominate elsewhere in the world as much as they do, it tends to get boring. Right now I'm even excited if a foreigner wins versus a Korean in Ro32.
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