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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Although most of them did their part well - pretty sure it would've been actually much better to ask the legit players, instead of potential rising stars IMO.. Though might be wrong cause they might say something like what Ryung said "oh, they nerfing Protoss and buffing Terran ? - cool" - so yah - doesn't help Still - would be interested to hear what Polt and/or Taeja think about the changes overall | ||
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sharkie
Austria18628 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:12 VArsovskiSC wrote: I'd liked to hear some of the better Pros on their opinion.. I mean don't get me wrong, but they could've certainly asked Naniwa instead of Desrow.. I mean they should've focused on those who actually DO things, instead of talk about them Although most of them did their part well - pretty sure it would've been actually much better to ask the legit players, instead of potential rising stars IMO.. Though might be wrong cause they might say something like what Ryung said "oh, they nerfing Protoss and buffing Terran ? - cool" - so yah - doesn't help  Still - would be interested to hear what Polt and/or Taeja think about the changes overall I am a fan of naniwa, but he still thinks protoss is underpowered -.- Taeja always says terran sucks too. I actually think the pros chosen are very objective. | ||
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Dools1337
France27 Posts
Hydra buff isn't going to make it btw. (Too bad I would have had a lot of fun :D) But come on, stop trying to buff mech. It's so boring, a lot of pros (zergs and terrans) have already same the same. I don't want to play half-map scenario SH/Corrupter/Viper/Infestator against Mech all day long ... If they want to buff mech, buff it against protoss only (This way they share a little bit of our pain ... ><). Lategame skytoss army is undeatable once you reached a certain point. It doesn't matter of much have in banks, how many bases you have ... It's just silly. | ||
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75
Germany4057 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:15 75 wrote: i am looking forward to see the tempest proxy builds if the tempest buff makes it through. Yet another proxy cheese to look out for? But yeah, I don't think we even needed these pros opinions to know that the changes are just misguided and kinda poor overall. Blizzard seems to be more interested in doing their own thing instead of actually listening to the playerbases biggest concerns. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
really good idea | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Desrow you made me sad. Guess I will bottle my tears and mail them to him.  | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
Though, I wish they all would have suggested another buff like TLO | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
Ask a specialist what he thinks in a foreign language and he will sound retarded, no matter the width and depth of his knowledge. In all these opinions, I read mine as well: -MSC nerf is a step in the right direction -Hydra change is damn right imbalanced -Ghost buff doesn't adress the root problem of TvP (will most likely open up some stupid scv train timings though) | ||
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herMan
Japan2056 Posts
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Rustug
1488 Posts
A reduction to the MSC Vision range is needed and give Time-Warp a cooldown. 1 Time-Warp every 20-30 seconds is more then enough when you have Force Fields. I would also like to see revelation time reduces to 30 seconds, vision for 60 seconds for just energy, ridiculous when you already have Probes and Hallucinations. The Ghost change adds nothing. The Hydralisk change, please... | ||
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niiir
Poland22 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Time warp is really useful in PvP and PvZ especially on these open maps, I'd hate to see it nerfed because every map has a huge ramp into the main. THe MSC vision is also useful in PvP for scouting so I want to keep that. Just fix the frickin maps please and that will solve like 90% of the Blink allin issues. Seriously there has never been such an allin friendly map pool in the history of SC2. Fix that and the game will be better for Terrans in the early game. The patches IMO don't address the actual problems (Terrans dying to Blink allins, Swarm Hosts being poorly designed). | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:37 niiir wrote: Pros impression? So why desrow is here? because he is a pro | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:40 iHirO wrote: desRow qualified for WCS NA Premier, thats pretty much the definition of a pro. And he beat apocalypse who just got top 8 at Asus ROG to get there. He must be a scrub. /sarcasm | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:15 Dools1337 wrote: I really like the idea of nerfing MSC range. Hydra buff isn't going to make it btw. (Too bad I would have had a lot of fun :D) But come on, stop trying to buff mech. It's so boring, a lot of pros (zergs and terrans) have already same the same. I don't want to play half-map scenario SH/Corrupter/Viper/Infestator against Mech all day long ... If they want to buff mech, buff it against protoss only (This way they share a little bit of our pain ... ><). Lategame skytoss army is undeatable once you reached a certain point. It doesn't matter of much have in banks, how many bases you have ... It's just silly. The reason of why Terran mech has to be buffed isn't just cause of some BW/Nostalgia factor.. It is also for the sake of diversity.. Not just diversity in terms of tech routes, but diversity cause of playstyle.. Not everyone is good at splitting Marines.. And THAT's why all the Terran players in lower leagues are disappointed (including me as a Random player) overall AND - what is worse is the following - by having only one core unit for an entire race totally decides what the Race's strengths and weakness-es will be as a whole - i.e. - Terran is what the Marine is - strong at DPS, weak vs AoE, having to have spread to deny AoE even at lower levels as if you were like a true pro.. So yah - there's much more than just the nostalgia factor in this.. If anything - it's exactly what the game needs.. Terran as a race has far too many Specialist units, and only one Core unit - which is the Marine (some may say Marauder and Medivac - but those are again - Marine 2.0, or at least Marine transport) The closest anything else to be a core unit is the Thor and the Banshee.. ONLY - the problem is that Thor is far too expensive to be a core unit, and Banshee can be a core unit as long as your opponent doesn't have Air.. So yah - Terran need another core unit that's not the Marine, and honestly I wouldn't care if it came out of Factory, or Starport.. If at least one of those 2 buildings had something as worthy as the Marine - Terran would be in a very good shape across all leagues and across all levels of play overall.. Hence my 51661839534624 posts in all of which I was saying to buff the Widow-Mine and test it as a versatile all-around and not just anti-Zerg unit.. i.e. - test how it feels by it being the Marine 2.0 core unit that comes out of the Factory (hence being a Core-building unit of mech, or even better Bio-Mech) armies.. And yes - there are tons and tons and tooons of ways to buff the Mine vs Protoss to not actually change the anti-Zerg side of it all Hydra buff would've maybe made ZvZ better, but it would've been so at the cost of totally ruining PvZ which is far greater worse | ||
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DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
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