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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
December 21 2013 22:59 GMT
#21
What is even more terrible about the scene is that there is still huge denial on Terran being underpowered. Most data show significant imbalance and individual examples also show imbalance. Balance kills the game more than anything.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:01:35
December 21 2013 23:01 GMT
#22
^ what data?
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Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:07:29
December 21 2013 23:03 GMT
#23
It must be frustrating for a foreign terran though, so I feel for him. Heck even in Korea it's starting to be more protoss in the top lately.

On December 22 2013 08:01 Ammanas wrote:
^ what data?

Perhaps this?

http://aligulac.com/reports/balance/
(it's looking reasonably balanced I'd say, but I'm quite convinced if you look at foreign terrans the picture won't be pretty. It's just my gut feeling though)
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 21 2013 23:03 GMT
#24
On December 22 2013 07:59 larse wrote:
What is even more terrible about the scene is that there is still huge denial on Terran being underpowered. Most data show significant imbalance and individual examples also show imbalance. Balance kills the game more than anything.


No race is underpowered at this moment, protoss probably has a slight edge, but terran and zerg are both adequate at dealing with each other race
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Attris
Profile Joined September 2009
United States175 Posts
December 21 2013 23:04 GMT
#25
The I cant lose it must be the game data. Otherwise everything else is within 1-2% of 50/50
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1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
December 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#26
I doubt that. unless he has connections or in demand degree this is very likely the best job he can get in eastern europe.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:07:45
December 21 2013 23:06 GMT
#27
On December 22 2013 07:54 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:48 robert1005 wrote:
All the hate on David Kim... I don't think it's all his fault for the small imbalances sc2 has sometimes.


Small imbalance? Really?

Foreign Terrans, yep. For Korean Terrans, not so much.

On December 22 2013 08:03 Bogeyman wrote:
It must be frustrating for a foreign terran though, so I feel for him. Heck even in Korea it's starting to be more protoss in the top lately.

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:01 Ammanas wrote:
^ what data?

Perhaps this?

http://aligulac.com/reports/balance/


That 5% man, its massive.
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:09:16
December 21 2013 23:07 GMT
#28
On December 22 2013 08:01 Ammanas wrote:
^ what data?


You lose this one, bro.

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Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
December 21 2013 23:09 GMT
#29
On December 22 2013 07:59 larse wrote:
What is even more terrible about the scene is that there is still huge denial on Terran being underpowered. Most data show significant imbalance and individual examples also show imbalance. Balance kills the game more than anything.


Sooo true, this denial is getting ridiculous. It is not the community killing the game, it is the fucking gameplay. If one third of the playerbase is quitting it should be alerting but ppl will keep silent until it is too late...
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 21 2013 23:09 GMT
#30
i doubt he will retire ^^

his tweet is this:
"Was think i will never say that. But i wont play this game anymore... I loved this game so much, i motivated more then any. Thx David Kim"

sounds more like a "i jus tlost to 5 protosses in a row" ladder run
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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
December 21 2013 23:09 GMT
#31
And there goes another non Korean Terran player.
TvP is only balanced if you name is Teaja or Maru.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
December 21 2013 23:10 GMT
#32
^ first graph shows exactly what I feel about sc2's balance.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 21 2013 23:10 GMT
#33
Kas often is one to take to twitter to vent frustration about balance. Might not be something he stands behind come tomorrow, but if he is retiring best of luck to him.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#34
It's not about balance, it's more that everything lies in hands of protoss players (combo of MSC+sentries allows for extreme defense and extreme offense in just a couple of seconds in both PvT and PvZ) and it's frustrating if it's almost your whole life to not be able to control it
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:12:48
December 21 2013 23:12 GMT
#35
Right, the use of yet more trivial data. Blizzard have their own "skill-adjusted" stats and their last communications appear to indicate that all is well balance wise. Pouring over aligulac and ladder numbers is a waste of time. Interesting, perhaps, if you have nothing better to do. But given that it appears to bear little relation to what Blizzard looks at, I struggle to see the point.

As these arguments on these numbers go on and on and on, it's like a TL circle jerk to a hairy obese ugly chick.

As to Kas, sorry to see him go, if he really is retiring rather than taking a break. GL to him in whatever he chooses to do.
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Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
December 21 2013 23:13 GMT
#36
I don't understand what the hell he wrote. Can anyone tell me what he meant about the motivation part?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 21 2013 23:15 GMT
#37
Sad to see, but we all knew that this day had to come... an overflow in Kas' laddergame counter just had to happen...
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
December 21 2013 23:15 GMT
#38
On December 22 2013 08:11 Nerchio wrote:
It's not about balance, it's more that everything lies in hands of protoss players (combo of MSC+sentries allows for extreme defense and extreme offense in just a couple of seconds in both PvT and PvZ) and it's frustrating if it's almost your whole life to not be able to control it

Phew, someone who gets it.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 21 2013 23:15 GMT
#39
Not particularly sad about this.
Refer to my post.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:19:01
December 21 2013 23:16 GMT
#40
On December 22 2013 08:07 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:01 Ammanas wrote:
^ what data?


You lose this one, bro.

http://i.imgur.com/z8YOjiF.png

http://i.imgur.com/I6NqVQB.png

http://i.imgur.com/8weEe43.png

http://i.imgur.com/TUwTKZL.png

http://i.imgur.com/wm25uXJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/a8nBiiB.png

http://i.imgur.com/87UbzrA.png



so basically what you are saying is that everything is OK.
There were parts of the game where the difference was 70-30 for terran players (yes, the 1-1-1 era) and all that was said was 'Protoss need to learn to deal with it better'.

Now, if you are saying Protoss is slightly bit easier to play at the very very top then terran, I think it may be true (although neither of us will know, cause neither of us play T AND P at the highest of highest levels).

And if you are saying that forein terrans suck and they always sucked and they always will suck - well that's also true.

On December 22 2013 08:11 Nerchio wrote:
It's not about balance, it's more that everything lies in hands of protoss players (combo of MSC+sentries allows for extreme defense and extreme offense in just a couple of seconds in both PvT and PvZ) and it's frustrating if it's almost your whole life to not be able to control it


Also, this man is very correct. But that has nothing to do with David Kim and everything to do with Dustin Browder.
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