EPTI hope he doesn't quit though, Kas is to amazing to do so <3
Kas to retire from SC2? - Page 16
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
I hope he doesn't quit though, Kas is to amazing to do so <3 | ||
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HN_KrO
United Kingdom9 Posts
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Twine
France246 Posts
On December 22 2013 07:44 blade55555 wrote: who are these multiple foreign protoss players? it's naniwa and that's it. Elfi, Welmu did make some results lately too ^^ | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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ETisME
12260 Posts
On December 23 2013 01:22 Twine wrote: Elfi, Welmu did make some results lately too ^^ happy is doing quite well in hots and he even plays mech occasionally, what a champ | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On December 22 2013 20:03 Fjodorov wrote: Ask yourself who is doing well and, placing high in tournaments and even winning them? Apart from innovation, its the same few terran players since 2 years back who have been winning stuff no matter what state the game is in. Maru? | ||
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P_e_X
Germany43 Posts
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pieroog
Poland146 Posts
+ ladder is a kingdom of BM - "F-U" is the most common response to my 'HF'  | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
By the way, I switched to toss couple months ago. So you can't say I'm a Terran whiner. I'm officially a protoss player now, until things change. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Maru was not as successful in WoL, but he's one of the oldest Terran players when it comes to SC2 longevity: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2010_TG_Sambo_Intel_StarCraft_II_Open_Season_1 | ||
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Dingodile
4132 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:05 pieroog wrote: why so much rage recently? When BL-INF was ruling for 1.5 yrs nobody came even close to the state that is today. is this some kind of collective excuse for not improving and winning ez-mode? 1.5yrs? It was from May 2012 - March 2013. And go ask these Terrans, they all prefers OP BL-INF than TvP now. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:09 Thor.Rush wrote: It's been pretty much impossible for foreign terrans to succeed since the race got nerfed into the ground over the years. Only top korean pro level is more balanced. Below that, it's insane. By the way, I switched to toss couple months ago. So you can't say I'm a Terran whiner. I'm officially a protoss player now, until things change. So basically, when Terran had a 60+% win rate it was ok. Terran is allowed to crush face, but the other races can't because that's imbalance? There was a singular point before Blord-festor when the game was literally at near perfect balance, but even then there were terrans complaining about "being nerfed into the ground." If korean terrans can do it, there is no reason why a foreigner terran can't learn from them and improve to that point. There isn't some magical barrier that prevents Kas from practicing 13 hours a day every day. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
On December 22 2013 10:12 Nebuchad wrote: "I think RTS isn’t the right type of game for people who quit because they get frustrated." This from Dear. It's funny because it's both right and wrong. If you get frustrated too much, then you start to lose hope. But if you don't care about losing, then you won't have the sufficient drive to do the things that are needed to start not losing. This quote applies to anything where you can lose. | ||
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cptjibberjabber
Netherlands87 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:05 pieroog wrote: why so much rage recently? When BL-INF was ruling for 1.5 yrs nobody came even close to the state that is today. is this some kind of collective excuse for not improving and winning ez-mode? + ladder is a kingdom of BM - "F-U" is the most common response to my 'HF' I didn't have any problems with the winfestor days. I could always see why I lost. I would have played a game for 15 minutes, after which I would have to be ready for BL-INF. And if I messed up, i got fungaled. Or something like that. I could always see an opening: I could have counter-dropped, I should have spread better, I should not have sieged my tanks so late, I should have spread my vikings better, etcetera. But here, I do my opening, scout the protoss, scout he's going blink stalkers and there's nothing I can do to easily counter this cheese, like with all other cheeses. I just plop down bunkers, start making a siege tank and hope I don't lose more than 10 scv's or so. It's infuriating. I don't get the chance to practice my mechanics, I don't get the chance to do what I like to do, I don't get the chance to prepare because I can't do anything against those stalkers when my marines don't have their upgrades. that is why there is so much more hate now. I completely didn't mine BL-INF. I was in platinum after all, there's so much you can do at that level to improve. But with blink stalkers or oracles, I don't get the chance to improve because of this maddening cheese. I want to play macro TvP's, because they are fun. but those damn protosses won't bloody let me...  | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:13 TheDwf wrote: Maru was not as successful in WoL, but he's one of the oldest Terran players when it comes to SC2 longevity: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2010_TG_Sambo_Intel_StarCraft_II_Open_Season_1 That is awesome, but it was specifically said 'who have been winning stuff no matter what state the game is in'. I still think Maru answers that question since I believe he's referencing players like Taeja/MVP. Thanks for the info though! Edit: Though if Asia Starcraft League was played on WoL that may count him out :p | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
The only reason why koeans are better than foreigners is work ethic, there is nothing about being korean that makes u better at starcraft, only the methods they use to train. So basically if you are saying that terran is fine if ur Taeja but not if ur anyone else, the reality of your statement is that you just don't work heard enough. Thats the difference, you aren't as good as your opponents. If Korean terrans can make it work, consistently, and you can't.... its because they are better than you. So maybe instead of blaming balance and David Kim, try looking in a mirror and see that YOU are the problem. I doubt Taeja gets up in the morning and thinks "I wish David Kim would make my race more powerful so I can put in less practice", no he gets up and practices so fucking hard that even if the race is underpowered, he is sooooo much better than his opponents mechanically, strategically and physically that it doesn't matter. Thats why champions do, they don't bitch and whine.... they work harder than everyone else. Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Kobe Bryant, David Beckham. What do all those names have in common? They are all considered thet best of their era in their respective sports, ask any of them what made them the best and they will all tell you the same thing, I worked three times harder than anyone else. | ||
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Firlefanz
Germany245 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:27 cptjibberjabber wrote: I didn't have any problems with the winfestor days. I could always see why I lost. I would have played a game for 15 minutes, after which I would have to be ready for BL-INF. And if I messed up, i got fungaled. Or something like that. I could always see an opening: I could have counter-dropped, I should have spread better, I should not have sieged my tanks so late, I should have spread my vikings better, etcetera. But here, I do my opening, scout the protoss, scout he's going blink stalkers and there's nothing I can do to easily counter this cheese, like with all other cheeses. I just plop down bunkers, start making a siege tank and hope I don't lose more than 10 scv's or so. It's infuriating. I don't get the chance to practice my mechanics, I don't get the chance to do what I like to do, I don't get the chance to prepare because I can't do anything against those stalkers when my marines don't have their upgrades. that is why there is so much more hate now. I completely didn't mine BL-INF. I was in platinum after all, there's so much you can do at that level to improve. But with blink stalkers or oracles, I don't get the chance to improve because of this maddening cheese. I want to play macro TvP's, because they are fun. but those damn protosses won't bloody let me... Same for me. I was diamond in WoL and while TvZ was hard it wasn't nearly as frustrating as TvP is today. You could always learn something from these macro TvZ's. You realized that you were too passive and weren't actively denying hatcheries and stuff. Maybe BL/Infestor was imbalanced at pro level, at my level of play it wasn't. Good positioning with your vikings could deal with the zerg deathball and if it wasn't enough you could always see in which phase you lost control of the game. TvP (again: at my level of play!) nowadays is praying that you get into the midgame without playing from ridiculously far behind. Protoss openers come with no risk at all even proxy strategies aren't affected at all when scouted. Terran can die so easily in the early game even if prepared for your opponents strategy. And when watching the replay you get mad, because the protoss cut so many corners and didn't scout any of your tech. You realize that he'd be absolutely screwed if i just went for a different strategy. Unfortunately i can not reactively allin him (besides the SCV pull), while the protoss can if he spots a weakness in my build. The matchup feels like a giant coin-flip to me. | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
On December 23 2013 02:36 emythrel wrote: I dont' get why people always seperate our korean terran from foreign terrans, if terran is fine in korea, its fine everywhere else. If korean terrans can beat their overpowered korean Protoss foes then why can't foreign terran beat foreign protoss?. Perhaps the problem isnt with balance but with the players. The only reason why koeans are better than foreigners is work ethic, there is nothing about being korean that makes u better at starcraft, only the methods they use to train. So basically if you are saying that terran is fine if ur Taeja but not if ur anyone else, the reality of your statement is that you just don't work heard enough. Thats the difference, you aren't as good as your opponents. If Korean terrans can make it work, consistently, and you can't.... its because they are better than you. So maybe instead of blaming balance and David Kim, try looking in a mirror and see that YOU are the problem. I doubt Taeja gets up in the morning and thinks "I wish David Kim would make my race more powerful so I can put in less practice", no he gets up and practices so fucking hard that even if the race is underpowered, he is sooooo much better than his opponents mechanically, strategically and physically that it doesn't matter. Thats why champions do, they don't bitch and whine.... they work harder than everyone else. Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Kobe Bryant, David Beckham. What do all those names have in common? They are all considered thet best of their era in their respective sports, ask any of them what made them the best and they will all tell you the same thing, I worked three times harder than anyone else. Thats just right. If the foreign players would put more work into the game, they would get more success. It has nothing to do with genetics of koreans or anything else. Also the race is not underpowered. Foreign Zergs are also worse than Korean Zergs and its not because of their race is underpowered, they are just not good enough. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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