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Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
December 22 2013 09:30 GMT
#261
Some people don't understand that the problem is the design itself and not the balance.. Think about it, it's really hard to balance a game like that since it's not properly designed from the begining and when people loose 10 games in a row they Tweet stuff like that and whine about balance. David Kim has nothing to do with this, look at the korean pros and how well they play Terran and dominate Zergs and Protoss... I think Kas needs some rest tbh.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 22 2013 09:34 GMT
#262
I hope he will continue playing.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 22 2013 09:41 GMT
#263
On December 22 2013 11:52 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 11:27 Grouch wrote:
On December 22 2013 10:46 pure.Wasted wrote:
I don't follow a lot of foreign SC, but I know a lot of BW's best foreign Terrans were Russians. Kas being a Russkie, this is sadder than it should be.


Kas is Ukranian.


I don't mean to speak for all Ukrainians, but many of us self-identify as Russkies in a global context. As someone else pointed out, in this case it was just shorthand for Eastern European.


That's terrible short-hand. Estonians, Hungarians, Romanians, and many other Eastern Europeans have no slavic connection. In fact, the term Eastern European is something that people should stop using, unless you want us to use the equally vague term: American for Canada, US, Mexico, and all of the South American countries like Brazil, Chile, Venezuela. They're just the same, aren't they...

On the topic at hand, it's sad to see Kas retire. He played well, and played a ton for a long time. And it's true, the foreigner terran scene is dead. - whether he retires or not. In fact, outside of top-5 Korean terran, the race might be dead too.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 22 2013 09:42 GMT
#264
Good luck Kas, you were an insparation for me back in my early SC2 days. Thank you for that.
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
December 22 2013 09:51 GMT
#265
funny how many people think that Kas is not that known..he and happy are the most active terran players on EU ladder ( okay forgg^^)

sad to see him go...he played a massive amount of games. I always liked his playstyle.
I never managed to play this much on a day...30 Matches...^^
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
December 22 2013 09:57 GMT
#266
On December 22 2013 16:55 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 16:53 Shinta) wrote:
Hilarious how the large majority of this thread revolves around balance and doesn't really talk about Kas retiring.
Anyways, this isn't a for sure thing, and balance is relatively fine and still being worked on. No point wasting time crying over milk that isn't even spilled, but still in the bottle, sitting fine and waiting to give our bodies delicious nutrition.


This is SC2 General

99% of threads either end up being about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussion, or Mvp


You forgot Jaedong :D
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
December 22 2013 09:57 GMT
#267
On December 22 2013 18:51 cutler wrote:
funny how many people think that Kas is not that known..he and happy are the most active terran players on EU ladder ( okay forgg^^)

sad to see him go...he played a massive amount of games. I always liked his playstyle.
I never managed to play this much on a day...30 Matches...^^


MMA too is active on EU ladder since he did the WCS Europe I think ^^

I feel sad for kas and hope he does well in the future.
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freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
December 22 2013 09:59 GMT
#268
new players will rise
VieuxSinge
Profile Joined February 2011
France231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 10:09:43
December 22 2013 10:05 GMT
#269
On December 22 2013 08:22 Heat_023 wrote:
Everytime I tune in to a stream, especially a terran one, I can see tons of flaws in the games that I see played. These european terran players in particular, I feel, can't admit that their mechanical shortcomings make them lose games they wouldn't have otherwise, so they find all sorts of excuses within the design of the game so that they don't have to look at themselves. At least it always feels like that to me.


The problem is, their mechanics are as good as their opponent's. It's just that terran is more demanding. And that's why you have less terrans in GM and higher, and that's why more and more terran are quitting the game.

This is a huge design problem, protoss (and zerg to a lesser extent) should have a higher skill cap and less "easy to use" units (like colossi, archon, zealot, voidrays, DTs,... those units require little control yet are extremely powerful)
Another clue to my existence.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 10:14:42
December 22 2013 10:07 GMT
#270
On December 22 2013 18:41 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 11:52 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 22 2013 11:27 Grouch wrote:
On December 22 2013 10:46 pure.Wasted wrote:
I don't follow a lot of foreign SC, but I know a lot of BW's best foreign Terrans were Russians. Kas being a Russkie, this is sadder than it should be.


Kas is Ukranian.


I don't mean to speak for all Ukrainians, but many of us self-identify as Russkies in a global context. As someone else pointed out, in this case it was just shorthand for Eastern European.


That's terrible short-hand. Estonians, Hungarians, Romanians, and many other Eastern Europeans have no slavic connection. In fact, the term Eastern European is something that people should stop using, unless you want us to use the equally vague term: American for Canada, US, Mexico, and all of the South American countries like Brazil, Chile, Venezuela. They're just the same, aren't they...

On the topic at hand, it's sad to see Kas retire. He played well, and played a ton for a long time. And it's true, the foreigner terran scene is dead. - whether he retires or not. In fact, outside of top-5 Korean terran, the race might be dead too.



Slavic Eastern European.* Happy?
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 22 2013 10:10 GMT
#271
On December 22 2013 18:57 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 16:55 lichter wrote:
On December 22 2013 16:53 Shinta) wrote:
Hilarious how the large majority of this thread revolves around balance and doesn't really talk about Kas retiring.
Anyways, this isn't a for sure thing, and balance is relatively fine and still being worked on. No point wasting time crying over milk that isn't even spilled, but still in the bottle, sitting fine and waiting to give our bodies delicious nutrition.


This is SC2 General

99% of threads either end up being about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussion, or Mvp


You forgot Jaedong :D


Blasphemy! Are we already over Nada's body?
BananaJunkie
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark119 Posts
December 22 2013 10:17 GMT
#272
What?! I didn´t see that coming! Oh well! Good luck in the future Kas, and thanks for a lot of fun games through the years!
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
December 22 2013 10:20 GMT
#273
kas always whined about emp
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 22 2013 10:21 GMT
#274
On December 22 2013 17:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 16:55 lichter wrote:
On December 22 2013 16:53 Shinta) wrote:
Hilarious how the large majority of this thread revolves around balance and doesn't really talk about Kas retiring.
Anyways, this isn't a for sure thing, and balance is relatively fine and still being worked on. No point wasting time crying over milk that isn't even spilled, but still in the bottle, sitting fine and waiting to give our bodies delicious nutrition.


This is SC2 General

99% of threads either end up being about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussion, or Mvp

Eh? Why Mvp?


On December 22 2013 17:37 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 16:55 lichter wrote:
On December 22 2013 16:53 Shinta) wrote:
Hilarious how the large majority of this thread revolves around balance and doesn't really talk about Kas retiring.
Anyways, this isn't a for sure thing, and balance is relatively fine and still being worked on. No point wasting time crying over milk that isn't even spilled, but still in the bottle, sitting fine and waiting to give our bodies delicious nutrition.


This is SC2 General

99% of threads either end up being about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussion, or Mvp

say what? lol.


It used to be Stephano or Mvp but Stephano is sorta gone now so it's just Mvp

You'd be surprised how many threads end up discussing him
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 22 2013 10:21 GMT
#275
I think what has made alot of pro terrans angry, more angry than other times of imbalance or game issues, is that blizzard recently actively buffed the oracle and nerfed the wm. Especially the oracle buff is impossible to understand for anyone it seems. And its such a kick in the balls to have something like that happen to the game you play 8-10 hours/day. I can imagine anyways. I havent seen anyone on this forum or in any thread actually defend the oracle buff or say its good for the game.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
December 22 2013 10:22 GMT
#276
On December 22 2013 08:19 peidongyang wrote:
Back to the ultra balanced game of warcraft 3...
Oh wait...


WC3 aint much of a balanced game , that is for sure.....but I'll take wc3 balance and game design any day over sc2
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
December 22 2013 10:34 GMT
#277
On December 22 2013 19:22 Tchado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:19 peidongyang wrote:
Back to the ultra balanced game of warcraft 3...
Oh wait...


WC3 aint much of a balanced game , that is for sure.....but I'll take wc3 balance and game design any day over sc2

WC3 design? You mean the endless hero chase with a shitton of random elements in the form of damage variables, crits and items?

SC2 maybe be hugely flawed but WC3 was just broken as a competitive game.
-NeBu-
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland107 Posts
December 22 2013 10:41 GMT
#278
Nothing new, Blizzard kill this game, TvP are unplayable for terran, it's a fu**ing joke.

GL in future, Kas!

User was temp banned for this post.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 10:45:49
December 22 2013 10:43 GMT
#279
he also hated new maps saying blizzard should ask pros before maps ... i think he not get the point that its a game and they have to master it, not a game made for exactly what they good in ...
he was vs everything who was not terran imba so ...
as nice as he is, he whines way to much for a player as good as he is

hope still he not retire because he has talent, if he stop complaining and start building ghosts vs templar xD

On December 22 2013 19:41 -NeBu- wrote:
Nothing new, Blizzard kill this game, TvP are unplayable for terran, it's a fu**ing joke.

GL in future, Kas!


... thats why taeja won every fuckn tournament and terrans overall has best results right ?
god i hate balance whiners

On December 22 2013 19:21 Fjodorov wrote:
I think what has made alot of pro terrans angry, more angry than other times of imbalance or game issues, is that blizzard recently actively buffed the oracle and nerfed the wm. Especially the oracle buff is impossible to understand for anyone it seems. And its such a kick in the balls to have something like that happen to the game you play 8-10 hours/day. I can imagine anyways. I havent seen anyone on this forum or in any thread actually defend the oracle buff or say its good for the game.


ok look here "its good for the game" ...
how many of the PROS gamers you saw loosing to oracle in recent tournaments ?
right ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
December 22 2013 10:50 GMT
#280
On December 22 2013 19:34 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 19:22 Tchado wrote:
On December 22 2013 08:19 peidongyang wrote:
Back to the ultra balanced game of warcraft 3...
Oh wait...


WC3 aint much of a balanced game , that is for sure.....but I'll take wc3 balance and game design any day over sc2

WC3 design? You mean the endless hero chase with a shitton of random elements in the form of damage variables, crits and items?

SC2 maybe be hugely flawed but WC3 was just broken as a competitive game.


yup , those , and I aint ashamed to say that shit is AWESOME ! it brought aspects to the game which were far superior to anything I was playing back in 2003 , even to this day.

endless hero chase ? its true heroes are the most important units , taking them out will cripple your opponent significantly or even end the game , if that was the case....why did wc3 evolve into the micro master piece it was ? why did it become such a deep rts game ? why not just have every pro game become "catch the hero" ? because the game is far more complex than what you think.

When I say wc3 design , I mean one thing , the better player always won , nightend explains it better in his "grilled" interview , check that out.

Broken as a competitive game my ass....that is just pure ignorance of what the wc3 scene was , the best example is wcg 2012 , for as long as wc3 existed , orc vs UD was considered broken beyond repair , then came TeD and shit on the best orcs in the world to win the title....why ? because he was the better player who had the better strategy.

feel free to disagree , these are my own thoughts as a consumer of both products , nothing more nothing less....just like your comment
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