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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
December 22 2013 10:53 GMT
#281
a quote from dear: "I think RTS isn’t the right type of game for people who quit because they get frustrated."
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 22 2013 11:01 GMT
#282
On December 22 2013 18:57 Taipoka wrote:
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On December 22 2013 16:55 lichter wrote:
On December 22 2013 16:53 Shinta) wrote:
Hilarious how the large majority of this thread revolves around balance and doesn't really talk about Kas retiring.
Anyways, this isn't a for sure thing, and balance is relatively fine and still being worked on. No point wasting time crying over milk that isn't even spilled, but still in the bottle, sitting fine and waiting to give our bodies delicious nutrition.


This is SC2 General

99% of threads either end up being about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussion, or Mvp


You forgot Jaedong :D

I'd be more than fine with not having threads about Kespa, cataclysms, balance discussions or MVP.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation395 Posts
December 22 2013 11:02 GMT
#283
should of done this long ago, he cries a lot and doesnt win like anyone
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 22 2013 11:03 GMT
#284
On December 22 2013 19:43 Drake wrote:
he also hated new maps saying blizzard should ask pros before maps ... i think he not get the point that its a game and they have to master it, not a game made for exactly what they good in ...
he was vs everything who was not terran imba so ...
as nice as he is, he whines way to much for a player as good as he is

hope still he not retire because he has talent, if he stop complaining and start building ghosts vs templar xD

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On December 22 2013 19:41 -NeBu- wrote:
Nothing new, Blizzard kill this game, TvP are unplayable for terran, it's a fu**ing joke.

GL in future, Kas!


... thats why taeja won every fuckn tournament and terrans overall has best results right ?
god i hate balance whiners

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On December 22 2013 19:21 Fjodorov wrote:
I think what has made alot of pro terrans angry, more angry than other times of imbalance or game issues, is that blizzard recently actively buffed the oracle and nerfed the wm. Especially the oracle buff is impossible to understand for anyone it seems. And its such a kick in the balls to have something like that happen to the game you play 8-10 hours/day. I can imagine anyways. I havent seen anyone on this forum or in any thread actually defend the oracle buff or say its good for the game.


ok look here "its good for the game" ...
how many of the PROS gamers you saw loosing to oracle in recent tournaments ?
right ...


Ask yourself who is doing well and, placing high in tournaments and even winning them? Apart from innovation, its the same few terran players since 2 years back who have been winning stuff no matter what state the game is in. Lots of new Protoss stars have had great success in hots but where are all the new terran players, korean or non korean?
If it was impossible to win stuff the game and the scene would be destroyed, nobody is saying that. But that doesnt mean its bad. MC was winning GSL when protoss players were extinct. You see?

Ehm ive seen loads of pro games with players losing to oracle. Not that many are straight up death to the oracle but players investing in early ebay, 2 turrets, and still losing 6-10 scvs to ONE oracle is common. This ONE oracle then gives vision in the midgame to the medivacs so drops is impossible. Yeah.. And we havent even begun to talk about blink and current map situation.

Terran is playing WoL TvP with boost on medivacs as the big difference. P are playing hots PvT with oracle, faster DT, MsC which defends against anything pre stim+medivac and also gives blink increased power.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 22 2013 11:04 GMT
#285
well if the matchup is 50% but one race wins only early game by random all in does it mean the game is balanced? is it fun to play or frustrating? its obvious there are some flaws and blizzard did nothing to fix it
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
December 22 2013 11:12 GMT
#286
On December 22 2013 20:04 kongoline wrote:
well if the matchup is 50% but one race wins only early game by random all in does it mean the game is balanced? is it fun to play or frustrating? its obvious there are some flaws and blizzard did nothing to fix it


Pretty sure you're confusing balance with design.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 11:15:00
December 22 2013 11:13 GMT
#287
On December 22 2013 19:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
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On December 22 2013 18:41 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 22 2013 11:52 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 22 2013 11:27 Grouch wrote:
On December 22 2013 10:46 pure.Wasted wrote:
I don't follow a lot of foreign SC, but I know a lot of BW's best foreign Terrans were Russians. Kas being a Russkie, this is sadder than it should be.


Kas is Ukranian.


I don't mean to speak for all Ukrainians, but many of us self-identify as Russkies in a global context. As someone else pointed out, in this case it was just shorthand for Eastern European.


That's terrible short-hand. Estonians, Hungarians, Romanians, and many other Eastern Europeans have no slavic connection. In fact, the term Eastern European is something that people should stop using, unless you want us to use the equally vague term: American for Canada, US, Mexico, and all of the South American countries like Brazil, Chile, Venezuela. They're just the same, aren't they...

On the topic at hand, it's sad to see Kas retire. He played well, and played a ton for a long time. And it's true, the foreigner terran scene is dead. - whether he retires or not. In fact, outside of top-5 Korean terran, the race might be dead too.



Slavic Eastern European.* Happy?

I don't feel like Russki, still Slavic Eastern European. You got to do better than that.

On topic. I think it has a lot to do with game design not balance. Badly designed game can't/won't be balanced no matter how hard will you try. And I think Kas is not retiring, he needs a break, that is all.
elanobissen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark244 Posts
December 22 2013 11:33 GMT
#288
Hate to see him go . Terran just seems too hard for foreigners to master. The race has a lot of potential for sure - just look at Taeja, Innovation and MMA - but you can't ignore the fact that NO foreigner has ever come close to doing what Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett and foreign zerg/protoss in general has been doing for the whole of HotS.
shivver
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
December 22 2013 12:10 GMT
#289
I wish I could be david kim and dustin browder, it must be incredible to get sooooo much heat and criticism and yet still head to the bank to cash dat check without a worry in the world


Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
December 22 2013 12:10 GMT
#290
On December 22 2013 20:33 elanobissen wrote:
Hate to see him go . Terran just seems too hard for foreigners to master. The race has a lot of potential for sure - just look at Taeja, Innovation and MMA - but you can't ignore the fact that NO foreigner has ever come close to doing what Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett and foreign zerg/protoss in general has been doing for the whole of HotS.

Jinro, never forget. : D
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 22 2013 12:11 GMT
#291
So a ragequit? Good luck for him in the future but if you don't do well while other players of the race do, it's all you.
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shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
December 22 2013 12:18 GMT
#292
On December 22 2013 08:40 IAmWithStupid wrote:
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On December 22 2013 08:18 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Dramatic "Noooooo!..."

On the serious note. I'm not sure if Kas will read this comment... If I get new job in January (chances are 80/20), I can provide 500 euros each month for you keep playing... please, contact me (PM) for more details...

Sorry for spamming this post. I speak russian or english... Please, contact me! backstory: SC2 is a true passion for me, I was hoping to enter the scene through sponsoring a pro... we can negotiate the terms!


I hope he reads this, or that someone tweets this post at Kas. A very cool offer. And if not, good luck in the future, Kas.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 22 2013 12:41 GMT
#293
On December 22 2013 07:48 docvoc wrote:
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On December 22 2013 07:45 WetSocks wrote:
On December 22 2013 07:44 blade55555 wrote:
Wait am I wrong but didn't he retire awhile ago?


Nope I think that's Beastyqt

That was Beasty, I miss him too .

I'm confused why he blames David Kim for HIS inability to succeed. It makes no sense to me.


Indeed! All foreign terran are just so bad. Good for us that there is multiple protoss players who are so good at this game
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 22 2013 12:46 GMT
#294
On December 22 2013 21:11 Shikyo wrote:
So a ragequit? Good luck for him in the future but if you don't do well while other players of the race do, it's all you.

Which terran foreigner does well ?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
December 22 2013 12:47 GMT
#295
On December 22 2013 19:53 Drake wrote:
a quote from dear: "I think RTS isn’t the right type of game for people who quit because they get frustrated."

It's actually the "opposite". From all RTS-Games, sc2 has this exception.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 22 2013 13:07 GMT
#296
On December 22 2013 21:46 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 21:11 Shikyo wrote:
So a ragequit? Good luck for him in the future but if you don't do well while other players of the race do, it's all you.

Which terran foreigner does well ?

I don't think "terran foreigner" is a race
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Dolguldur
Profile Joined December 2013
2 Posts
December 22 2013 14:15 GMT
#297
This http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2510474/1/IIIIIIIIIIl/matches might explain it.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 22 2013 14:33 GMT
#298
On December 22 2013 23:15 Dolguldur wrote:
This http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2510474/1/IIIIIIIIIIl/matches might explain it.


I don't think Kas is the kind of person to abandon his job because of a bad losing streak. Hell, that's the man with over 20k games, I'm pretty sure he already had pretty bad ladder session before that.
Dolguldur
Profile Joined December 2013
2 Posts
December 22 2013 15:10 GMT
#299
On December 22 2013 23:33 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 23:15 Dolguldur wrote:
This http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2510474/1/IIIIIIIIIIl/matches might explain it.


I don't think Kas is the kind of person to abandon his job because of a bad losing streak. Hell, that's the man with over 20k games, I'm pretty sure he already had pretty bad ladder session before that.


But he's the one usually taking it out on twitter. What might be the case here.
Anyway its best to wait for offical statement from his team.
Ygritte
Profile Joined March 2013
Austria51 Posts
December 22 2013 15:10 GMT
#300
On December 22 2013 21:41 Darrkhan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:48 docvoc wrote:
On December 22 2013 07:45 WetSocks wrote:
On December 22 2013 07:44 blade55555 wrote:
Wait am I wrong but didn't he retire awhile ago?


Nope I think that's Beastyqt

That was Beasty, I miss him too .

I'm confused why he blames David Kim for HIS inability to succeed. It makes no sense to me.


Indeed! All foreign terran are just so bad. Good for us that there is multiple protoss players who are so good at this game

who are these multiple foreign protoss players? it's naniwa and that's it.
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