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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
December 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#61
On December 22 2013 08:18 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Dramatic "Noooooo!..."

On the serious note. I'm not sure if Kas will read this comment... If I get new job in January (chances are 80/20), I can provide 500 euros each month for you keep playing... please, contact me (PM) for more details...

Sorry for spamming this post. I speak russian or english... Please, contact me! backstory: SC2 is a true passion for me, I was hoping to enter the scene through sponsoring a pro... we can negotiate the terms!
Insert wise words here
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#62
Its probably another kas troll.
he always do that.
RIP MKP
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
December 21 2013 23:41 GMT
#63
just wondering when did Xeno start crushing face in korea??
which faces did he crush?? VODS??
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
December 21 2013 23:41 GMT
#64
On December 22 2013 07:54 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:48 robert1005 wrote:
All the hate on David Kim... I don't think it's all his fault for the small imbalances sc2 has sometimes.


Small imbalance? Really?



do you have any demonstrative proof considerable imbalance? Because I do not see it.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 21 2013 23:41 GMT
#65
On December 22 2013 08:36 Let it Raine wrote:
..................


kas is one of the most hardworking players in the world, period.

i am saddened by this, he even gave me motivation in a game where I had bm'd him several times earlier.

I can't blame him though. Starcraft has been rewarding skill less players for far too long.


How can you even say that? Out of all the players in premier events this year, there are literally 0 who didn't deserve to win them. Or did Rain not deserve Hot6 Cup? sOs Blizzcon? Dear WCS Season 3? Maru KR Season 2? Bomber? Jaedong in Asus? Soulkey at WCG? herO at IEM? Who didn't deserve to win those tournaments? Are any of these players just bad? Worse then others? I personally don't think so...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 21 2013 23:50 GMT
#66
On December 22 2013 08:41 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
just wondering when did Xeno start crushing face in korea??
which faces did he crush?? VODS??


crushing face in korea. lol.

it was a tournament in korea with about no korean in it vs Welmu in the final. i think there was some chinese guys in it, maybe mid level koreans as well.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 21 2013 23:52 GMT
#67
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT KAS
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Fen1kz
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation216 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:56:11
December 21 2013 23:52 GMT
#68
On December 22 2013 08:21 Dingodile wrote:
It's not balance problem, it's a huge design problem. I hate the sc2 design since wol beta, i just dont like that 90% of all units (from your race) are available after ~8min and that we have at opening/earlygame alot more strategies than lategame.


yea, wondered why all here thinks kas left because of balance. no, i think sc2 balance is acceptable (im main terran/random)
but sc2 have huge design problems.
* snowball effects everywhere
* stupid economy with 80 workers for 200/200
* +1 base is huge difference lategame
* 3 full bases cover every need
* deathballing
* poor ability to recover from lost main battle
* main battles is most effective concept for fighting. u can harras, u can expand well, but if u lost main fight - u're pretty dead

and main - SC2 forces you to be passive. Sit and wait your 200-200, defend at 3 bases forever.
Protoss - sit and wait 200-200
Zerg at TvZ - sit and wait T3
Terran mech - sit and wait 200-200
Terran bio is the only exception and thats why its so hard to fight vs toss with more mobile bio forces. game forces you to sit and wait.
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:58:16
December 21 2013 23:57 GMT
#69
kas best european terran? lol okay when has he done anything even notable?
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
December 21 2013 23:58 GMT
#70
Props to him for tolerating this game for so long.
oo
NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
December 22 2013 00:01 GMT
#71
Pls buff foreign Terran :'( Don't want to lose Kas!
Currently working with Team Acer CSGO | @AcerNervO
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 00:07:51
December 22 2013 00:06 GMT
#72
On December 22 2013 08:32 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Kas is a good example of why hard working players wont ever surpass koreans.


..What? Koreans are better than foreigners because they worked harder for a longer amount of time... they don't have special blood that gives them +10 multitasks skills or anything.. Also koreans don't whine all the time, they stfu and practice and thats why they're better at starcraft. They got it.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
December 22 2013 00:08 GMT
#73
Wow, thats really sad.

Someone posted something really smart I think a few days ago. Something along the lines of, a cointoss is perfectly balanced. I really think that should be brought to David Kim. It just is really bad to have too many random elements in Sc2. It surely is great for balance, but it does not allow for good players to distinguish themselfes. I actually argue that it is the games design fault that Taeja did only win Five Major Tournaments and not all of them.
Making oracles even faster? All ins that fail less punishing(Mothership)?
I am actually glad that Hellbats and Widowsmines have been corrected in the right direction, and that fungal growth got fixed some long time ago. However, Toss need such a deep overhaul with Lotv, meanwhile they should really focus on not buffing the randomness of the race.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 22 2013 00:08 GMT
#74
On December 22 2013 08:22 Heat_023 wrote:
Everytime I tune in to a stream, especially a terran one, I can see tons of flaws in the games that I see played. These european terran players in particular, I feel, can't admit that their mechanical shortcomings make them lose games they wouldn't have otherwise, so they find all sorts of excuses within the design of the game so that they don't have to look at themselves. At least it always feels like that to me.


Yeah, because all those top foreign protoss are playing perfect mechanically... Look, if you look at each players games, you can always find some faults, even top players like Taeja, Dear and JD. But right now, small mistakes are more punishing for Terran compare to Protoss.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
December 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#75
On December 22 2013 08:52 Fen1kz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:21 Dingodile wrote:
It's not balance problem, it's a huge design problem. I hate the sc2 design since wol beta, i just dont like that 90% of all units (from your race) are available after ~8min and that we have at opening/earlygame alot more strategies than lategame.


yea, wondered why all here thinks kas left because of balance. no, i think sc2 balance is acceptable (im main terran/random)
but sc2 have huge design problems.
* snowball effects everywhere
* stupid economy with 80 workers for 200/200
* +1 base is huge difference lategame
* 3 full bases cover every need
* deathballing
* poor ability to recover from lost main battle
* main battles is most effective concept for fighting. u can harras, u can expand well, but if u lost main fight - u're pretty dead

and main - SC2 forces you to be passive. Sit and wait your 200-200, defend at 3 bases forever.
Protoss - sit and wait 200-200
Zerg at TvZ - sit and wait T3
Terran mech - sit and wait 200-200
Terran bio is the only exception and thats why its so hard to fight vs toss with more mobile bio forces. game forces you to sit and wait.

I wouldn't have watched the amount of Starcraft that I do if each game was simply people sitting and waiting for 200-200. That's explicitly not true.
Pompeius
Profile Joined September 2013
Kazakhstan4 Posts
December 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#76
MotherCore its T2 unit.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
December 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#77
That doesn't sound like a retirement tweet to me. I've said stuff like that before and I've even uninstalled the game before, and I still play.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 00:14:27
December 22 2013 00:12 GMT
#78
On December 22 2013 07:56 Attris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:48 Tobblish wrote:
Kas is the last Terran I thought would stop because of the works of David Kim and Co.
Well such are the times, you either join the dark side or forever be overshadowed by it.

Going to miss him hope he continues to stream tho.

Indeed gl to Kas in his future endeavors.

And Korean Terrans seem to be doing just fine. The game is a big deal at the highest level, I don't think David Kim and Co. need to balance it out for the non pros. Tho blaming everything but the player is common practice.


The Korean Terrans that I come up with are Taeja, Innovation and Jjakji after that it gets sort of dead, these ofc are Terrans that I know of that have a percentage above 60% in TvP. (bo3+)


After those easy choices it gets kinda hard, MMA had a good run at ATC but bo1's and against fellow teammates, Dream is another but he haven't really faced "super" opponents but nonetheless someone I really like.
edit: and ofc Polt.

Maru is someone that a lot of people would say is doing fine but looking at the statistics he isn't, he's always going up against the "crem dala crem" and sitting around a even 50% winrate.

The curse is real
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 00:17:38
December 22 2013 00:15 GMT
#79
On December 22 2013 08:50 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:41 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
just wondering when did Xeno start crushing face in korea??
which faces did he crush?? VODS??


crushing face in korea. lol.

it was a tournament in korea with about no korean in it vs Welmu in the final. i think there was some chinese guys in it, maybe mid level koreans as well.



yeah I was just wondering if the guy claiming that on the previous page could back it up. made me lol too. the guy was probably one of those platinum tosses that dont want to have their free wins taken away.

edit: guy above me its ''crème de la crème'' now plz teach me how to say I like Peter Forsberg.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
December 22 2013 00:17 GMT
#80
If he would get 1 WCS point for every time he complains about balance, he would make Blizzcon every year. From first place.
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
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