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Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
December 21 2013 23:16 GMT
#41
Aww, this is such a shame =/ Definitely one of my favorite euro terrans. It's a shame to see someone with his passion and dedication leave.
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
December 21 2013 23:18 GMT
#42
Dramatic "Noooooo!..."

On the serious note. I'm not sure if Kas will read this comment... If I get new job in January (chances are 80/20), I can provide 500 euros each month for you keep playing... please, contact me (PM) for more details...
Insert wise words here
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:20:39
December 21 2013 23:18 GMT
#43
On December 22 2013 07:59 Aquila- wrote:
I hope Blizzard realizes the issues with the game soon and takes action before every single Terran has quit.

Or the people, whether it's Terran, Zerg or Protoss at the time, realize that their mindset is the problem, not the game. If you can't deal with admitting that you are the one who is at fault and should train harder or you realize it, but cannot commit the necessary time then yes, at some point Starcraft 2 is not the right game for you
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
December 21 2013 23:19 GMT
#44
Back to the ultra balanced game of warcraft 3...
Oh wait...
the throws never bothered me anyway
Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
December 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#45
On December 22 2013 08:18 TwilightRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:59 Aquila- wrote:
I hope Blizzard realizes the issues with the game soon and takes action before every single Terran has quit.

Or the people, whether it's Terran, Zerg or Protoss at the time, realize that their mindset is the problem, not the game.



Definitely a mindset issue if there are globally more than double the amount of Protoss players than Terrans in GM.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
December 21 2013 23:21 GMT
#46
On December 22 2013 08:18 TwilightRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:59 Aquila- wrote:
I hope Blizzard realizes the issues with the game soon and takes action before every single Terran has quit.

Or the people, whether it's Terran, Zerg or Protoss at the time, realize that their mindset is the problem, not the game.

It's not balance problem, it's a huge design problem. I hate the sc2 design since wol beta, i just dont like that 90% of all units (from your race) are available after ~8min and that we have at opening/earlygame alot more strategies than lategame.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Heat_023
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
December 21 2013 23:22 GMT
#47
Everytime I tune in to a stream, especially a terran one, I can see tons of flaws in the games that I see played. These european terran players in particular, I feel, can't admit that their mechanical shortcomings make them lose games they wouldn't have otherwise, so they find all sorts of excuses within the design of the game so that they don't have to look at themselves. At least it always feels like that to me.
twitch.tv/heat023
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
December 21 2013 23:23 GMT
#48
He's played so many ladder matches. He finally couldn't do it any longer.
RedMorning
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada117 Posts
December 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#49
The data is showing that T really is "sucking" badly at the moment...I personally think the issue is the game design as appose to the balance of the game (ie. strengh/hp of a unit). Terrans are very good if you are the select few that can achieve the highest skill cap. For the average person, this isn't attainable. The strategies are harder to execute due to the harass + macro nature of the race, defending against all-ins can be difficult due to the variety of them (specifically against toss), and the units are strong as paper in the late game when compared against the tech of Z/P. I think a lot of Terrans can agree, with 1 click from Z/P, it feels like you need 3 clicks to just remain even.

Long story short, I don't think the game will ever be "fixed". Even with the upcoming expansion, I highly doubt it. I love SC (played for 12 years!) but this feels like the lowest point which is quite sad. I hate to see pros quitting due to frustration with the game because they've invested so much time into this game.

Putting aside my Terran pride, watching the game isn't always that fun either. I really dislike watching ZvP due to the strategies most P utilize. Is it their fault for using a 2 base all-in constantly? No, it wins. That's their job. Do I roll my eyes every time I see that happening? Yup! Stream off. BW/LOL/DOTA Stream on!

Oh well, back to BW!

As for Kas, sorry to hear about the retirement. Best of luck in the future!
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
December 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#50
On December 22 2013 08:03 Bogeyman wrote:
It must be frustrating for a foreign terran though, so I feel for him. Heck even in Korea it's starting to be more protoss in the top lately.

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On December 22 2013 08:01 Ammanas wrote:
^ what data?

Perhaps this?

http://aligulac.com/reports/balance/
(it's looking reasonably balanced I'd say, but I'm quite convinced if you look at foreign terrans the picture won't be pretty. It's just my gut feeling though)

That's quite an over-analysis of the data presented in that graph.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 21 2013 23:30 GMT
#51
On December 22 2013 08:11 Nerchio wrote:
It's not about balance, it's more that everything lies in hands of protoss players (combo of MSC+sentries allows for extreme defense and extreme offense in just a couple of seconds in both PvT and PvZ) and it's frustrating if it's almost your whole life to not be able to control it


Just wanted to highlight one of the few quality posts that are being dropped in this thread. It is not that much of a balance issue, but a gameplay issue.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 21 2013 23:30 GMT
#52
Sad to see a hardworking and nice guy like Kas is considering quitting.

And lol, just lol @ all the guys here saying stuff like "terrans have bad mindset" etc. Yeah, cuz we all know that GM is 45% P and 22% T because protoss players just train so much harder and have better mindset. Open your eyes ffs
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
December 21 2013 23:30 GMT
#53
Sad.
But you have to understand him.He plays Terran and hes not Korean.Its a double handicap.
Freelancer veteran
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 23:34:42
December 21 2013 23:32 GMT
#54
Godamn I was convinced he had one of the best pvts for a foreigner after demolishing Liquid Hero numerous times with his ghost viking control and now he retires. I guess laddering 50 games a day just isnt worth it. Kas is a good example of why hard working players wont ever surpass koreans.

This guy was an absolute machine. Sad to see him go. GL in the future.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 21 2013 23:33 GMT
#55
On December 22 2013 08:21 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 08:18 TwilightRain wrote:
On December 22 2013 07:59 Aquila- wrote:
I hope Blizzard realizes the issues with the game soon and takes action before every single Terran has quit.

Or the people, whether it's Terran, Zerg or Protoss at the time, realize that their mindset is the problem, not the game.

It's not balance problem, it's a huge design problem. I hate the sc2 design since wol beta, i just dont like that 90% of all units (from your race) are available after ~8min and that we have at opening/earlygame alot more strategies than lategame.

Yet nothing wholes back Korean players from winning major events. Or Xenocider from crushing face in Korea. I wonder if they have a mindset problems?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
December 21 2013 23:34 GMT
#56
On December 22 2013 08:11 Nerchio wrote:
It's not about balance, it's more that everything lies in hands of protoss players (combo of MSC+sentries allows for extreme defense and extreme offense in just a couple of seconds in both PvT and PvZ) and it's frustrating if it's almost your whole life to not be able to control it

Thanks for the clear explanation.
Let's hope they're considering changing this stuff on a deeper level in LotV. I'm sure they've thought about it countless times.
JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
December 21 2013 23:35 GMT
#57
I haven't followed SC2 in ~7 or 9 months, but I remember that when I left, Zerg was the OP race. Now it seems to be Protoss?
Holy shit, toss used to be the shittiest race at the time. I guess there will always be complaints no matter what.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
December 21 2013 23:35 GMT
#58
I'd wait for an official announcement before thinking this is real. Sounds like he just played tvp 5 times or something.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
December 21 2013 23:36 GMT
#59
..................


kas is one of the most hardworking players in the world, period.

i am saddened by this, he even gave me motivation in a game where I had bm'd him several times earlier.

I can't blame him though. Starcraft has been rewarding skill less players for far too long.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
December 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#60
well Kas haven't been relevant since beta. I'm surprised it took him this long
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