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People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS
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On December 05 2013 04:38 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:28 SkullZ9 wrote:On December 05 2013 04:25 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 04:22 SkullZ9 wrote:On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. Dear first, then maybe Taeja yeah, but being first for november while goint out at the first round of the biggest tournament of the year .... Or sOs second because winning blizzcon is a big deal, more than dreamhack all kill quantic and hsc imo But if your power rank position is decided by when you went out at Blizzcon, shouldn't Dear not be up there given he was knocked out in the very next round by Jaedong? I never said Blizzcon should be the only criteria. But for me, WCS in general has been the most important series of tournament in 2013. And what I really dislike about this power rank is that it's really not logical. If you look at Taeja, there is a long explanation about the fact that it the YEAR OF TAEJA. So, ok, is it a power rank for 2013 ? In that case, why is herO in that ranking and not Bomber or Polt ? And if not, why are we talking about all the results of this year for Taeja ? First off, the point about Bomber and Polt and the yearlong thing is a red herring that distracts from your original argument, which is that Taeja does not deserve to be rank 1. If I had to guess about Bomber and Polt not being in this power rank I would say most likely has something to do with their recent performances at Red Bull/IEM/DH etc. Back to the original topic of conversation, the YEAR OF TAEJA thing I think is just a brief anecdote to show how much he has dominated international tournaments this year. I don't think they used all of that to actually judge his placement in the power rank. So now you say that it shouldn't be about the whole year, but then you say: Show nested quote +But for me, WCS in general has been the most important series of tournament in 2013. which makes it seem like you think it should be judged by the whole year of WCS? I dunno.
Nope, not everything must be judged by WCS or the whole year, that's not what i said. But if you wanna make a ranking about these few past months, which seems to be the case here even if it's not clear, you need to take a good look at WCS seasons in three regions in season 3, wcs finals season 3 and blizzcon, and also other tournaments but WCS is the most important. Taeja didn't pass the RO16 in wcs america season 3 and got eliminated in first round of blizzcon, while Dear won WCS korea (hardest region) and WCS season finals.. That's why I argue that Dear deserve more the #1 place
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On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. Holy shit if you think that has anything to do with Taeja being better than Dear you're clueless. Taeja's on a sponsored and foreign team, Dear is not, so Taeja gets to go to more foreign tournaments. Has nothing to do with skill.
If you bothered to read the preceding sentence, you would realize I had just said that part of being ranked on the power rank is exposure and recent games, which Taeja has and Dear does not. I never mentioned that had anything to do with skill. But please, continue to throw a hissy fit and explain to me the difference between a Kespa team and a foreign team.
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On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS
look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions
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On December 05 2013 04:43 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Holy shit if you think that has anything to do with Taeja being better than Dear you're clueless. Taeja's on a sponsored and foreign team, Dear is not, so Taeja gets to go to more foreign tournaments. Has nothing to do with skill. If you bothered to read the preceding sentence, you would realize I had just said that part of being ranked on the power rank is exposure and recent games, which Taeja has and Dear does not. I never mentioned that had anything to do with skill. But please, continue to throw a hissy fit and explain to me the difference between a Kespa team and a foreign team.
Exposure? Destiny streamed for 600k viewer hours in November, where is he on the power rank?
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On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions
Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Life should be #1, sup
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On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:
How well has Taeja done against Jaedong again?
That is a terrible argument if I ever saw one. Not only does it have nothing to do with the fact that we were talking specifically about Blizzcon, but those two have not played within the timespan of this power rank.
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Results: Obviously, the primary basis of the Power Rank. Given that this edition of the Power Rank is late and needs to encompass a three month period or so, we're giving additional credit for past results.
Difficulty of opponents: Let's put it this way: if the PR existed last year, we definitely would not have given PartinG the #1 spot for his rather soft WCS championship run.
Quality of play: How impressed were we with this player's performance? Not all wins (or losses) are created equal. By nature, this is the most subjective factor.
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report on who will do well in the future.
Short attention span: Did I see this player the past week? Does he play on a team that actually advertises to me?
Oh I guess I missed that.
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On December 04 2013 06:19 Shellshock wrote:
Boo Maru > Life
lolPrime
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On December 05 2013 04:45 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:43 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Holy shit if you think that has anything to do with Taeja being better than Dear you're clueless. Taeja's on a sponsored and foreign team, Dear is not, so Taeja gets to go to more foreign tournaments. Has nothing to do with skill. If you bothered to read the preceding sentence, you would realize I had just said that part of being ranked on the power rank is exposure and recent games, which Taeja has and Dear does not. I never mentioned that had anything to do with skill. But please, continue to throw a hissy fit and explain to me the difference between a Kespa team and a foreign team. Exposure? Destiny streamed for 600k viewer hours in November, where is he on the power rank?
Good God man. I don't think I should respond to this because it's wayyyyy out of left field, but I would just go ahead and define exposure as, "recent tournament games against good players".
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On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:
How well has Taeja done against Jaedong again?
How many tournaments has Jaedong won again?
Saying "Oh player X is definitly better than player Y, he has a winning record against him" is the dumbest way to make a point, bcause there is nothing true at all in it. Some players just have certain players number. Just look at MMA>MVP>Polt>MMA
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Yes, TaeJa lost to Dear at Blizzcon. Then Dear lost to Jaedong, who then lost to sOs, who then lost to TaeJa in Dreamhack. And that's why the power rank is less about X beating Y, and more about players playing very well for an extended period of time.
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On December 05 2013 04:45 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:43 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Holy shit if you think that has anything to do with Taeja being better than Dear you're clueless. Taeja's on a sponsored and foreign team, Dear is not, so Taeja gets to go to more foreign tournaments. Has nothing to do with skill. If you bothered to read the preceding sentence, you would realize I had just said that part of being ranked on the power rank is exposure and recent games, which Taeja has and Dear does not. I never mentioned that had anything to do with skill. But please, continue to throw a hissy fit and explain to me the difference between a Kespa team and a foreign team. Exposure? Destiny streamed for 600k viewer hours in November, where is he on the power rank?
Exposure in tournaments. Even if I did think Dear is better, TaeJa has a lot more opportunities to show it. You are grasping for straws/arguing semantics, which doesn't help your argument.
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On December 05 2013 04:45 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Life should be #1, sup
incontrol's face should be #1
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On December 05 2013 04:49 Kitai wrote:
Yes, TaeJa lost to Dear at Blizzcon. Then Dear lost to Jaedong, who then lost to sOs, who then lost to TaeJa in Dreamhack. And that's why the power rank is less about X beating Y, and more about players playing very well for an extended period of time.
And thus, the circle of life continues.
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On December 05 2013 04:51 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:45 Keeemy wrote:On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Life should be #1, sup incontrol's face should be #1
More like Incontrols hair at Dreamhack. That was some crazy stuff
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On December 05 2013 04:50 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:45 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 04:41 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:08 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 05 2013 03:46 shid0x wrote:
Monthly cringes :
Maru above innovation
JD above soulkey
Innovation lost to Duckdeok, Maru won. EZPZ ranking for Waxangel. On December 05 2013 03:09 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol Taeja is so overrated. Can't wait till he wins a wcs finals or blizzcon, to prove he's really the best. Oh wait it will never happen. That is a weird prediction. Ok I will argue a bit more : if this power rank is based on the results from november, it should grant more importance to WCS global finals and not dreamhack, even if Taeja did a good run. I know that this forum is teamliquid, but you should try to not be too biased towards your own player because if you want to be THE sc2 forum, you need to be more objective. Taeja got destroyed in the first round of global finals, yet he is first in the power rank of the month ? Let me laugh First, "Destroyed" is a strong word for what happened in Taeja vs. Dear. Second, although importance must be placed on Blizzcon (see- sOs is in the ranking at all I mean what else has he been up to) there is something to be said for amount of exposure and games a player has recently. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Taeja has won a Homestory Cup, all killed Quantic, and then won Dreamhack's yearly championship. None as impressive as Blizzcon, but overall an impressive resume. Just curious, what would your power rank look like? Because I'm sure that wouldn't include ANY bias or questionable placements. I haven't seen Dear since Blizzcon, have you? Holy shit if you think that has anything to do with Taeja being better than Dear you're clueless. Taeja's on a sponsored and foreign team, Dear is not, so Taeja gets to go to more foreign tournaments. Has nothing to do with skill. If you bothered to read the preceding sentence, you would realize I had just said that part of being ranked on the power rank is exposure and recent games, which Taeja has and Dear does not. I never mentioned that had anything to do with skill. But please, continue to throw a hissy fit and explain to me the difference between a Kespa team and a foreign team. Exposure? Destiny streamed for 600k viewer hours in November, where is he on the power rank? Exposure in tournaments. Even if I did think Dear is better, TaeJa has a lot more opportunities to show it. You are grasping for straws/arguing semantics, which doesn't help your argument.
Basically Dear's skills got him to number 2, but TL's money got Taeja to #1. And I don't mean paying the PR writers.
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On December 05 2013 04:45 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Life should be #1, sup
Roro is cuter than Life.
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Nah, I think Incontrol's Blizzcon look was the best. Going for dat Leonardo DiCaprio look.
On December 05 2013 04:53 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:45 Keeemy wrote:On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Life should be #1, sup Roro is cuter than Life.
Whatever floats your boat but I respectfully disagree
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On December 05 2013 04:53 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:45 Keeemy wrote:On December 05 2013 04:44 Cheren wrote:On December 05 2013 04:43 Keeemy wrote:
People take these power ranks so seriously, it's kinda funny.
KEEP FIGHTING GUYS look at this super cool guy with no strong opinions Come at meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Life should be #1, sup Roro is cuter than Life.
![[image loading]](http://img.pr0gramm.com/2013/03/jt6bmyx.jpg)
Now tell me he is not the cutest.
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