EPTSC2 Power Rank - December 2013 - Page 12
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Eyx
England165 Posts
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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christophequirion
France82 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Happy to see Taeja in number one. Exceptional performances. Also happy to see Jaedong in there. Well deserved. | ||
prOPOns
Germany60 Posts
10 - CJ_herO (agree) 9 - Acer_INnoVation (disagree with you) 8 - MaruPrime (disagree with you) 7 - SKT_PartinG (disagree with you) 6 - ST_Life (agree) 5 - Woongjin_sOs (disagree with you) 4 - Woongjin_Soulkey (disagree with you) 3 - EG_Jaedong (disagree with you) 2 - SouL_Dear (agree) 1 - Liquid_TaeJa (agree) I think PartinG is stronger than he is in there, while INnoVation is slightly worse than you state. Also I think Soulkey is stronger than sOs, Life is fine on the 6... SouL_Dear and Liquid_Taeja are fine, even if I think you can switch my Dear and my Jaedong atm!!! | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Guess what? In WCS Korea and WCS Finals, almost EVERYONE is a code S player. If you're arguing that DH is as hard to win as WCS, then no, just no. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 04 2013 22:02 shadymmj wrote: In WCS Korea almost EVERYONE is a code S player Pretty sure everyone is a Code S player in Code S | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
This is why I love these power rankings, it brings out some discussion! Keep in mind that if Dear was #1 then we would have a lot of people here arguing for Taeja to be better. Can't wait until the player of the year discussions! Quite a few potential picks I'd say! | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
Poll: Player of 2013? TaeJa (25) Soulkey (15) Jaedong (9) Dear (7) INnoVation (4) Life (2) sOs (1) Polt (0) Bomber (0) Maru (0) Other (0) 63 total votes Your vote: Player of 2013? (Vote): sOs | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
But that's not the only thing wrong with this "power rank" and they all boil down to the same problem: the people that are putting this together don't like the WCS system. Not including the two time WCS NA champion (in favor of a cool guy who won one random IEM tourney, a popular old-school player who hasn't won anything of substance at all and the best player of the first half of the year who is nevertheless mainly irrelevant since then) is just purposefully showing your attitude towards the WCS. If Taeja is so #1, how come he can't ever get results in such an easy and irrelevant tournament as the WCS NA? If you consider WCS NA irrelevant, you should really take the same stance towards all the "major" tournaments, including HSC, IEMs and Dreamhacks. You can't at the same time complain about having too many Koreans in WCS NA and then justify basing the ranking on these "major" tournaments because there were Koreans to beat, it just doesn't make sense. If you really want to consider the "quality of competition", you just have to put more (or basically all) weight on the GSL, Season finals and Blizzcon. But then you would have to include soO, Bomber and most importantly, Trap (how does Trap not get even a honorary mention is miles beyond my comprehension). | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On December 04 2013 22:14 opisska wrote: When I was scrolling down, not seeing him anywhere, I was becoming more and more concerned that you really did it... While I like Taeja a lot, there is no way you can invent any metrics that makes him #1 in anything at the moment. The whole achievement of Taeja winning "five major tournaments" is purely enabled by the very relaxed definition of a "major tournament". But that's not the only thing wrong with this "power rank" and they all boil down to the same problem: the people that are putting this together don't like the WCS system. Not including the two time WCS NA champion (in favor of a cool guy who won one random IEM tourney, a popular old-school player who hasn't won anything of substance at all and the best player of the first half of the year who is nevertheless mainly irrelevant since then) is just purposefully showing your attitude towards the WCS. If Taeja is so #1, how come he can't ever get results in such an easy and irrelevant tournament as the WCS NA? If you consider WCS NA irrelevant, you should really take the same stance towards all the "major" tournaments, including HSC, IEMs and Dreamhacks. You can't at the same time complain about having too many Koreans in WCS NA and then justify basing the ranking on these "major" tournaments because there were Koreans to beat, it just doesn't make sense. If you really want to consider the "quality of competition", you just have to put more (or basically all) weight on the GSL, Season finals and Blizzcon. But then you would have to include soO, Bomber and most importantly, Trap (how does Trap not get even a honorary mention is miles beyond my comprehension). Wow, hard to point out things any better. This post sums it up perfectly! | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 04 2013 22:09 opterown wrote: + Show Spoiler + Poll: Player of 2013? TaeJa (25) Soulkey (15) Jaedong (9) Dear (7) INnoVation (4) Life (2) sOs (1) Polt (0) Bomber (0) Maru (0) Other (0) 63 total votes Your vote: Player of 2013? (Vote): sOs So so hard to decide :D I think Soulkey is my pick. While he doesn't have as many medals as Jaedong/Taeja, or been as dominating as Innovation during the first half of 2013, he did win a GSL (and WCG!!). He also was the imo best zerg during all of 2013, and a consistent top 5 player. Innovation is my clear second place, then it's very close between Jaedong/Taeja/Maru/Dear/Life. Another way to pick is to go to SC2 Earnings and just grab sOs, being over $30k ahead of forever #2, Jaedong. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 04 2013 21:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: SoS should be 1st imo. Winning Blizzcon is way more important than all the other tournaments this month combined. Your opinion on his placement in the power rank doesn't count until you properly capitalize his name. | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
His constant phoenix illusion scouting and plays look so good and he's had an impressive run in WCG Korea.  | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 04 2013 06:23 BlueStar wrote: taeja... are you kidding me? lol This boy won one tourney and now #1 - this is ridiculous. You had to set herO as 2nd... You must be drunk right? Taeja is a fucking destroyer right now | ||
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hipo
France482 Posts
On December 04 2013 22:14 opisska wrote: When I was scrolling down, not seeing him anywhere, I was becoming more and more concerned that you really did it... While I like Taeja a lot, there is no way you can invent any metrics that makes him #1 in anything at the moment. The whole achievement of Taeja winning "five major tournaments" is purely enabled by the very relaxed definition of a "major tournament". But that's not the only thing wrong with this "power rank" and they all boil down to the same problem: the people that are putting this together don't like the WCS system. Not including the two time WCS NA champion (in favor of a cool guy who won one random IEM tourney, a popular old-school player who hasn't won anything of substance at all and the best player of the first half of the year who is nevertheless mainly irrelevant since then) is just purposefully showing your attitude towards the WCS. If Taeja is so #1, how come he can't ever get results in such an easy and irrelevant tournament as the WCS NA? If you consider WCS NA irrelevant, you should really take the same stance towards all the "major" tournaments, including HSC, IEMs and Dreamhacks. You can't at the same time complain about having too many Koreans in WCS NA and then justify basing the ranking on these "major" tournaments because there were Koreans to beat, it just doesn't make sense. If you really want to consider the "quality of competition", you just have to put more (or basically all) weight on the GSL, Season finals and Blizzcon. But then you would have to include soO, Bomber and most importantly, Trap (how does Trap not get even a honorary mention is miles beyond my comprehension). Very good post (+1 on Trap... he shall at least got a honory mention). It's funny how the Wax complain about Dear not being able to compete in foreigner tournaments to justify is 2nd place but doesn't say anything about Taeja not being able to compete in WCS Korea and not doing well in WCS America/Blizzcon (do people forgot how he got raped by Dear?)... | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
I know a lot of you guys want to see the top 8 from WCS KR season 3 just copy pasted into this, and maybe that's what we would have gotten had a power rank come out right after that season was over. But it has been 2 months since then and Taeja has shown the most VISIBLE dominance over the time since Blizzcon. | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On December 04 2013 21:36 Eyx wrote: TaeJa being #1 is ridiculous imo. He has yet to win anything with the other top players in it (dear soulkey ect) i mean he has only beaten sOs and Life recently that can be considered top players and has lost to all the others. How is losing 3-1 pretty recently in an extremely important knockout match at the biggest tourny of the year not given big weight in the #1 vs #2? Not to mention Dear having consistent wins over all top players with only one lose in a very close series to Jaedong recently. Taeja can't really help it if Dear/Soulkey never play outside of Korea, but I do see him taking a series against Soulkey if they play. Taeja also beat Innovation, MMA, HyuN & Symbol who are all pretty good. The only player that beat him more than once in a series in the last couple of months is Jaedong, who Dear lost to as well. Besides that Taeja also clearly dominated a lot of players. All-killing Quantic and generally winning a lot of games everywhere, even if they are against weaker opposition, is a lot better than generally not playing at all or being quite lackluster in the GSTL. You also talk about Taeja not winning anything with all top players in there. Dear beat Maru, Soulkey, MC, Hero, DRG, Trap, Soo (and Taeja himself before losing to JD) to win his both titles. Certainly an impressive list, but this also means he didn't beat sOs, Jaedong, Life, Innovation, Parting, herO, MMA, Bomber or Polt yet. So in important tournaments they had a similar hitlist, both lost to Jaedong at some point, but then Taeja has a WAY more impressive online result, playing really well in team leagues and online matches in general while Dear didn't really play at all. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
not a year powerrank | ||
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