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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
December 05 2013 01:22 GMT
#301
I usually don't agree with the power rankings. This month is no different. Talking about Bomber being inconsistent... still? He's SO consistently good. TaeJa is 1st? Wtf. Still talking about INnoVatioN being one of the best? He's been not-amazing since the hellbat nerf. PartinG is back in 9th?
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Niteblade_
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada292 Posts
December 05 2013 01:58 GMT
#302
Before I start, I realise that power ranking is an opinion and at that imperfect and can be subjective. Usually I more or less agree, however this month I'm on the side that doesn't.

I can't comment on how the games played out in the last 3 months as I don't have time to watch, but just observe the results so here's my take:

In the past it seemed like quality of opponents was a huge component in regards to how players were power-ranked, meaning GSL/Code S had more weight than anything as it is the best of the best in regards to play level. However I feel like this month that was not the case.

Overall, I feel like Life is undeserving of his spot, as other than terrorizing foreign tournaments, he is still stuck in code A. I would put everyone in the top ten before him, as this is based on results and not potential (hes been very quiet since hots in general).

Maru isn't given enough credit, he has done very well in code S and season finals, being stopped by dear twice is understandable. I feel he should be above taeja at least.

sOs is wierd. He is almost like bomber in how brilliant he can look one day, and how not so much the next. Because its been 3 months, i'd have to put soulkey/jaedong ahead for being more consistent overall, however i feel the 3 are inter-changable.

As for #1, Dear is undisputed imo. After losing to flying in season 2 code A, and being throw into up and downs, he lost a single series on his way to back to back championships. Among the best competition SC2 has to offer, I don't really say how you can top that. And he wasn't playing low caliber opponents either. The only losses in the power rank have been narrow (sOs in the R32 Code s, jaedong by a hair at global finals). The others he has crushed.

For Taeja, he dropped out of the round of R16 in seaon 3, failing to make it to season finals, and lost in season 2 to polt R4 (both occured in timeline). To be #1 with those loses, he would have to have some monumental wins. And he hasn't, he won 2 dreamshacks and HSC. He didn't beat anybody notable there (life isn't top 10 atm, and inno is known and even mentioned for his lack of TvT skills). sOs he did beat, but as can be seen he is very inconsistent. Taeja has dodged every top player or been beaten when he meets them (bomber, dear, Jaedong ect.)

Don't get me wrong, he is on an incredible tare of wins which is hard to match, but its against second teir players, which shouldn't stand for #1. He has losses to others in the power rank (recent) and losses to alot outside of it, where as Dear doesn't have that (losses to sOs and Jaedong are it).

I would rank Dear 1, jaedong/soulkey/ interchangable as 2/3 and then taeja at the most as 4. Until he beats top, top tier competition or takes a premier league, I wouldn't say hes #1.

Also wtf is polt not on here for? He has better results than life recently imo (beat the "#1" player twice, back to back premier league wins ect)

PS I like taeja, I've been impressed with im since slayers (he had sick marine splits), its a shame he has wrist issues or i believe he could've been a contender for one of the best.
On December 05 2013 07:14 LockeTazeline wrote:
I get the arguments behind Dear's claim to 1st place, but for those who think that TaeJa is undeserving of the spot, take a look at his record vs. Korean opponents since BlizzCon:

Results for kr TaeJa between 2013-11-08 and 2013-12-04.

Games: 73.08% (38-14)
Matches: 90.91% (20-2)

Current Form:
      W W W W W W W W W W
Recent Matches:
       kr TaeJa 4 – 2 kr Life
       kr TaeJa 2 – 0 kr Life
       kr TaeJa 2 – 1 kr MMA
       kr TaeJa 2 – 1 kr HerO
       kr TaeJa 2 – 1 kr ForGG
       kr TaeJa 2 – 1 kr INnoVation
       kr TaeJa 2 – 1 kr sOs
       kr TaeJa 1 – 0 kr HyuN
       kr TaeJa 1 – 0 kr Try
       kr TaeJa 1 – 0 kr Venus


Filters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Opponent Race:    all
Opponent Country: KR
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: HotS

Stats by Aligulac. Link.

At this point, he has the highest rating ever achieved on Aligulac...by almost 100 points: http://aligulac.com/records/race/?race=all


Tell me what any of those people he has beat has done that is notable in the last 3 months. Only one is sOs.

One more thing, when you talked about MVP and Life's runs vs taeja, they did it with a championship in Code S.

(not hating on taeja, just feel like people are dissillusioned by the TL tag attached to his name)
"As Dendi and xboct were walking off stage, I hope Dendi was saying 'Man I can't believe we won that game that way, we are such a bunch of assholes"- James "2GD" Harding on Na'vi vs Tongfu
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 05 2013 02:04 GMT
#303
On December 05 2013 10:22 Mistakes wrote:
I usually don't agree with the power rankings. This month is no different. Talking about Bomber being inconsistent... still? He's SO consistently good. TaeJa is 1st? Wtf. Still talking about INnoVatioN being one of the best? He's been not-amazing since the hellbat nerf. PartinG is back in 9th?


PartinG is 9th basically from winning Redbull LAN
Innovation is no longer dominating like he did earlier in HotS, but he's still had impressive performances. He really did well in the GSTL in particular, and did alright (not great, but decent) in the last few Dreamhacks.
I think if Dear can make the finals of the Hot6 Cup or outright win it, then Dear is the #1.
Taeja is definitely way up there, but not sure about the #1 ranking for someone who really underperformed in WCS.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 05 2013 02:28 GMT
#304
Overall, I feel like Life is undeserving of his spot, as other than terrorizing foreign tournaments, he is still stuck in code A. I would put everyone in the top ten before him, as this is based on results and not potential (hes been very quiet since hots in general).


It's not just results according to their criteria. They factor in quality of play and difficulty of opponents. Which is what Life mainly has going for him atm. Although, even on the results side of things he did win his ro24 code A match (which would mean he IS code S under normal circumstances) and won an IEM not too long ago, so there's that. With all that alone I'd put him over at least CJ herO.

I noticed you said you don't watch much recently and only look at results. So as a reminder, do you remember what the old Life looked like? You know the guy who seemingly can do whatever the fuck he wants and dominate. The guy who just seems to always find a way to get lings into your base, while meanwhile he's painting the map in creep and whoring drones at home behind the distraction? Yeah he looks like that again.
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eeChiama
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Argentina96 Posts
December 05 2013 04:01 GMT
#305
On December 05 2013 10:58 Niteblade_ wrote:


One more thing, when you talked about MVP and Life's runs vs taeja, they did it with a championship in Code S.

(not hating on taeja, just feel like people are dissillusioned by the TL tag attached to his name)



I have this feeling that people forget very easily that Taeja has x2 ro4's under his name, stopped by the champion both times. To be honest, that plus his level of GSL consistency during 2012 already made me had him like Top 3 Terran.

Also, someone said that he was practically a no-show for WCS. Getting to Blizzcon is already an achievment, specially since his points didn't come from just one championship but from his regular excellent showings.

Dear didn't have a good GSTL season, and Taeja absolutely rocked his team league.

Just some food for thought, I liked this power ranking!
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 05 2013 04:26 GMT
#306
On December 05 2013 13:01 eeChiama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 10:58 Niteblade_ wrote:


One more thing, when you talked about MVP and Life's runs vs taeja, they did it with a championship in Code S.

(not hating on taeja, just feel like people are dissillusioned by the TL tag attached to his name)



I have this feeling that people forget very easily that Taeja has x2 ro4's under his name, stopped by the champion both times. To be honest, that plus his level of GSL consistency during 2012 already made me had him like Top 3 Terran.

Also, someone said that he was practically a no-show for WCS. Getting to Blizzcon is already an achievment, specially since his points didn't come from just one championship but from his regular excellent showings.

Dear didn't have a good GSTL season, and Taeja absolutely rocked his team league.

Just some food for thought, I liked this power ranking!


Dear tied for the 2nd most wins in GSTL after Innovation. That's pretty good considering that Soul didn't have any games in the playoffs.

Dear and Taeja have about the same overall winrate for the GSTL and the ATC (67% vs 68%), but Dear is playing in an offline setting against harder opponents.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
December 05 2013 06:14 GMT
#307
On December 04 2013 06:23 BlueStar wrote:
taeja... are you kidding me? lol
This boy won one tourney and now #1 - this is ridiculous. You had to set herO as 2nd...

I think you meant to say 5 premier tournaments since July, 2 of them within the last month...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
December 05 2013 06:17 GMT
#308
Taeja only won 1 major tournament the whole year (20k and above purse) and power rank comes out right after that >_>. Dear won 2 majors and sos won the majorest of majors and only got 2nd and 3rd.

Bias overwhelming.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 05 2013 06:24 GMT
#309
On December 05 2013 15:17 Kheve wrote:
Taeja only won 1 major tournament the whole year (20k and above purse) and power rank comes out right after that >_>. Dear won 2 majors and sos won the majorest of majors and only got 2nd and 3rd.

Bias overwhelming.

Taeja has been consistently amazing all year long with the infamous summer of Taeja lasting longer than ever. He has looked unstoppable in all three matchups as of late, recently beating a plethora of players ranked beneath him in the top ten. One could argue that some early GGs resulting from a lack of confidence are the only reason he even lost to Dear at Blizzcon. As such I believe Dear to be the only other player in the top 10 with a valid claim for a better spot...No liquid player has been ranked number one all year and rightfully so, but it's not their fault if one of their own is currently on a tear
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
December 05 2013 06:24 GMT
#310
Well, now that we have everyone's objective opinions...

I love power rank threads <3
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
December 05 2013 07:36 GMT
#311
I don't watch sc2, but damn this is why I read sc2 stuff on TL. Keep going guys!
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
December 05 2013 08:16 GMT
#312
At this point I can't even decide which 10 players would make my personal power rankings let alone rank them. Seems like there's been quite a few winners and some top level players like Rain didn't even make honourable mentions. I'm quite happy SC2 have become quite competitive at the top albeit somewhat volatile, it's been fun watching so many different champions. Wish Blizzard will just forget about the notion of "WCS champion best player" and just scrap it. I want to see more tournaments, more evenly spread prizepool!
absinthfee
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 09:44:18
December 05 2013 08:18 GMT
#313
Against whom in the powerrank ( who hasnt terrible tvt (Innovation)) has taeja done well?
Same goes for life.

Also against whom in the powerrank is taeja actually favoured to win a Bo5/Bo7.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
December 05 2013 08:40 GMT
#314
Pretty reasonable ranks really... Taeja just had to be #1
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 05 2013 08:43 GMT
#315
On December 05 2013 15:17 Kheve wrote:
Taeja only won 1 major tournament the whole year (20k and above purse) and power rank comes out right after that >_>. Dear won 2 majors and sos won the majorest of majors and only got 2nd and 3rd.

Bias overwhelming.

I like that you invented your own definition of major tournament haha.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 05 2013 08:50 GMT
#316
I like the power ranking though perhaps i could argue Dear on number one and JD higher up the list, in the end it's all opinion based, so who cares. Taeja's on a foreign tournament winning streak that is putting tears into MC's eyes.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 05 2013 09:45 GMT
#317
I still don't understand why CJ_herO is ranked within the top10 of the world's best players according to tl writers. As well as parting. Those simply do not belong in there. You should've given Bomber a cigar, since a WCS win and various top placements (you said you're taking those events back in time in consideration since this is not a real "december" power rank) speak for themselves. You did argument that way for parting though he didn't have the real competition, or did he.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
December 05 2013 10:18 GMT
#318
<3 PowerRank.
Best player of the year: Taeja.
Highest Starcraft 2 level of the year: Dear.
Best runner-up: Jaedong.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 10:57:54
December 05 2013 10:57 GMT
#319
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/

where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?

be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!!
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
December 05 2013 11:03 GMT
#320
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