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On December 06 2013 02:52 calh wrote:
Taeja has a valid claim to be #1 at the moment. I didn't expect people to question the ranking, it's the timing that is more debatable. If this had been done right after Blizzcon, which was a very natural thing to do, the ranking would have been much different (Dear would have been at the top in all likelihood). Instead what we got was a vague article about there being no best player. Not that there aren't valid reasons why the power rank just came out now, but the timing certainly mattered a lot.
Are you new to the Power Rank because even in BW people always questioned the Power Rank. It's nothing new really and back then we had so few tournaments and PL to use as our criteria. Anytime this does come up you should expect shit fests like this.
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On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote:
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/
where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?
be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man...
there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon...
is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period.
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On December 06 2013 04:51 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote:On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote:
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/
where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?
be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man... there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon... is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period.
Dreamhack Winter, in terms of viewership and players present, was almost as big as Blizzcon.. Who should be number 1 then? Dear? he's number 2.
Other players have won the WCS events, but nobody has looked as dominant as Taeja during his last few big tournament runs. Dear won games. sOs won games. But people made mistakes against them. Jaedong threw that game on Akilon SO HARD. Meanwhile, Taeja's wins have made his opponents look like platinum level scrubs in comparison. After Life mauled everyone to get back into the finals Tajea made him look like a nobody.
To go undefeated in a Dreamhack (Bucharest) is ridiculous. And to Dominate top Korean players the way he did at Dreamhack Winter is also ridiculous. Certainly deserves #1 in my book.
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On December 06 2013 04:51 purgerinho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote:On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote:
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/
where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?
be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man... there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon... is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period.
To be fair, DH Winter had more talent than WCS NA/EU
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On December 06 2013 05:34 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 04:51 purgerinho wrote:On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote:On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote:
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/
where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?
be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man... there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon... is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period. Dreamhack Winter, in terms of viewership and players present, was almost as big as Blizzcon.. Who should be number 1 then? Dear? he's number 2. Other players have won the WCS events, but nobody has looked as dominant as Taeja during his last few big tournament runs. Dear won games. sOs won games. But people made mistakes against them. Jaedong threw that game on Akilon SO HARD. Meanwhile, Taeja's wins have made his opponents look like platinum level scrubs in comparison. After Life mauled everyone to get back into the finals Tajea made him look like a nobody. To go undefeated in a Dreamhack (Bucharest) is ridiculous. And to Dominate top Korean players the way he did at Dreamhack Winter is also ridiculous. Certainly deserves #1 in my book.
he was dominant at those tournaments, i admit it, i would be stupid to ignore that. But i'm saying again, this is three months period. You are talking about two tournaments but we had three bigger, where taeja wasn't so good (wasn't there). Yes, dear and sos should be before him. He went down in ro16 and failed to qualify for s3 finals. That can't be ignored, this is three months period. Dear won in strongest region, after that he won in s3 finals and after that he barely lost to JD, who was crushed against sos.
Dear, sOs, soulkey, JD, taeja (but i wouldn't say anything if he would be no3)
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so, LIQUID Taeja is ranked #1 on teamLIQUID.net wow, what a shock.
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If Dear wins Hot6ix, I think that would give him a more impressive year overall than Taeja.
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On December 06 2013 06:37 meenamjah wrote:
so, LIQUID Taeja is ranked #1 on teamLIQUID.net wow, what a shock.
writers just got busted.
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On December 06 2013 06:37 meenamjah wrote:
so, LIQUID Taeja is ranked #1 on teamLIQUID.net wow, what a shock.
You've uncovered the conspiracy! Quick, hide before the TL mods silence you with a ban! The truth must be told!
Remember the Alamo!
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On December 06 2013 07:08 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 06:37 meenamjah wrote:
so, LIQUID Taeja is ranked #1 on teamLIQUID.net wow, what a shock. Remember the Alamo!
ROFL
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Well TLPR isn't a TLPR if it's not controversial. Same old from BW days.
I don't disagree with Taeja being #1, but I wouldn't either if it were Dear or sOs. It's really hard to say who's the best at the moment. Frankly, they're at the same level.
But...but Dear beat Taeja at Blizzcon!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!
That's what the unofficial world champion is for. Imagine if that game was a Bo1 where it was the game Taeja won. Taeja > Dear? Can't really say. one Bo5, Taeja didn't look bad, who knows. Soulkey beat Innovation in a reverse sweep in a Bo7. Hard to tell from just one series.
Edit: Fixed typos
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On December 06 2013 09:48 glzElectromaster wrote:
Well TLPR isnt a TLPR if it's not controversial. Same old from BW days.
I don't disagree with Taeja being #1, but I wouldn't either if it were Dear or sOs. It's really hard to say who's the best at the moment. Frankly, they're at the same level.
But...but Dear beat Taeja at Blitzzcon!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!
That's what the unofficial world champion is for. Imagine if that game was a Bo1 where it was the game Taeja won. Taeja > Dear? Can't really say. one Bo5, Taeja didn't look bad, who knows. Soulkey beat Innovation in a reverse sweep in a Bo7. Hard to tell from just one series.
GTFO League fan we don't want you opinion!!!! How do I know those people in your banner are league players uhhh...jkjk but yeah I completely agree. I think Dear would be a viable number one pick, maybe not sOs simply because of his recent losses at Red Bull and DH. In essence you can't expect the few people who make the power ranking to satisfy everybody.
P.S. OMG Liquid player number one in LIQUID power rank. First time this has happened chill also the point has been made 5t24985743829542 times.
P.P.S. Madlife is god
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On December 06 2013 02:44 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 20:44 Niteblade_ wrote:On December 05 2013 11:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Overall, I feel like Life is undeserving of his spot, as other than terrorizing foreign tournaments, he is still stuck in code A. I would put everyone in the top ten before him, as this is based on results and not potential (hes been very quiet since hots in general).
It's not just results according to their criteria. They factor in quality of play and difficulty of opponents. Which is what Life mainly has going for him atm. Although, even on the results side of things he did win his ro24 code A match (which would mean he IS code S under normal circumstances) and won an IEM not too long ago, so there's that. With all that alone I'd put him over at least CJ herO. I noticed you said you don't watch much recently and only look at results. So as a reminder, do you remember what the old Life looked like? You know the guy who seemingly can do whatever the fuck he wants and dominate. The guy who just seems to always find a way to get lings into your base, while meanwhile he's painting the map in creep and whoring drones at home behind the distraction? Yeah he looks like that again. Thats awesome. I'd love to see life back in form. However, he still hasn't put up notable results, there are people more deserving of that spot. Most of the top 10 can look amazing vs tier 2 players, that doesn't mean they deserve to be there for crushing them. On December 05 2013 15:24 Yorkie wrote:On December 05 2013 15:17 Kheve wrote:
Taeja only won 1 major tournament the whole year (20k and above purse) and power rank comes out right after that >_>. Dear won 2 majors and sos won the majorest of majors and only got 2nd and 3rd.
Bias overwhelming. Taeja has been consistently amazing all year long with the infamous summer of Taeja lasting longer than ever. He has looked unstoppable in all three matchups as of late, recently beating a plethora of players ranked beneath him in the top ten. One could argue that some early GGs resulting from a lack of confidence are the only reason he even lost to Dear at Blizzcon. As such I believe Dear to be the only other player in the top 10 with a valid claim for a better spot...No liquid player has been ranked number one all year and rightfully so, but it's not their fault if one of their own is currently on a tear The infamous summer is mostly hype. Last year he did much better in code S than this year (it was more real last year), but this year he's more of a weekend warrior, taking DH's and HSC but nothing thats an on going individual league. And he doesn't look unstoppable, he has failed to beat jaedong, bomber, dear, and also lost to heart in wcs.... That's not what i define as unstoppable. Maru to me is more impressive after thinking about it, he has been doing amazing in code S and doing it consistently (being stopped by dear twice in back to back semi's is still and impressive feat). He's been beating higher quality opponents in a preparation setting. That to me is worth more than weekend tournies. Ahh the infamous "He didn't win every match he played in the year of 2013, he can't be ranked number one in the December power rank" argument. Are you honestly insinuating that Jaedong and Bomber (I'm a huge fan of both btw) are more deserving of the top spot because they beat him in matches earlier this year? As I said with a recent victory over Taeja at Blizzcon and his WCS results Dear is the only player I would rank above Taeja. The summer of Taeja is not "just hype" He has won multiple DH, ASUS ROG, and MLG tournaments in the summer months and this year his dominance in offline play has extended to cover half the year. As for Maru, he just failed to beat Dear twice and Jaedong...so I'm not sure why that statistic is condemning for Taeja but uplifting for Maru. While his regular season WCS performances were not up to par with his true skill, his current level of play and amazing games against top players at season finals deserves serious recognition.
Its not a "He didn't win every match he played" and more of a who he beat, and who he lost to. If you look at http://aligulac.com/players/6/results/?after=2013-09-01&before=2013-12-05&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Filter
, you'll see that since the last power rank, Taeja has only managed to beat sOs and innovation (weak tvt) out of the top 10 power rank, and has been unable to beat dear or jaedong. He also lost bo3 series to several people much weaker than him (if he is indeed #1) in major, heart, bbyong and sunny.
Other than inno and sos, he hasn't been able to crack anyone in the top ten, and some that were close to it (polt, bomber). I agree he is playing amazing, but #1 can't be justified with those results imo...
And now look at dear:
http://aligulac.com/players/1659/results/?after=2013-09-01&before=2013-12-05&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Filter
His bo3 losses come at the hands of jaedong, oz, byong and hydra. All of which i'd rate better than all but the top 2 foreigners.
And his wins include: Soulkey, Maru (x2), soo, Taeja(!), DRG, MC, Trap. Much more impressive list than Taeja's recent "top" korean opponents.
And Dear did it in a setting that has been proven time and time again to be the most difficult (arguably the 3 most difficult tournies in the 3 month period), where preparing for opponents is nessesary. Taeja's came at weekend tournies, with him dropping out of what should be an easy win (or at least get out of the R16) for the #1 player.
Perhaps I was a bit harsh on saying I'd put those people above taeja, but imo SK, JD, taeja and maru are all about equal for #2-5, but Dear is a clear #1.
On December 06 2013 05:34 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 04:51 purgerinho wrote:On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote:On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote:
so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/
where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in?
be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man... there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon... is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period. Dreamhack Winter, in terms of viewership and players present, was almost as big as Blizzcon.. Who should be number 1 then? Dear? he's number 2. Other players have won the WCS events, but nobody has looked as dominant as Taeja during his last few big tournament runs. Dear won games. sOs won games. But people made mistakes against them. Jaedong threw that game on Akilon SO HARD. Meanwhile, Taeja's wins have made his opponents look like platinum level scrubs in comparison. After Life mauled everyone to get back into the finals Tajea made him look like a nobody. To go undefeated in a Dreamhack (Bucharest) is ridiculous. And to Dominate top Korean players the way he did at Dreamhack Winter is also ridiculous. Certainly deserves #1 in my book.
What top korean players did he dominate again? Life who is in code A, and Inno who hasn't won anything since Season 1?
To say that their opponents threw the games while taeja out played and made his look like scrubs is ridiculous. I suppose then that Taeja threw against dear and Jaedong to make them feel better or something? How do explain Taeja's [I]losses[/] To top koreans who only win when their opponent throws?
I would glady eat my words if Taeja beat more people in the top 10 (would love to see him play vs SK and maru, those would be series to watch), but he never makes it far enough in tournaments they attend to play agains them -_-
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On December 06 2013 02:47 StarStruck wrote:
Guys, keep in mind we're talking about a monthly power rank here.
As you might have been able to read, it's not only about december. And it's not really a monthly PR at the time.
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+ Show Spoiler +Dear lost to Rain! Now everyone that was jumping and screaming that Dear should be #1 have to edit their posts so that Rain should be #1! That's how power ranks work! If you lose to a player, that player passes you in the ranking.
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On December 06 2013 16:40 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:47 StarStruck wrote:
Guys, keep in mind we're talking about a monthly power rank here. As you might have been able to read, it's not only about december. And it's not really a monthly PR at the time.
sure they missed a few months and it's all about their recent results gumshoe. You'd probably figure that one out if you read my posts in the thread, derp. See mention to SK -.^
On December 06 2013 23:46 Darkhoarse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Dear lost to Rain! Now everyone that was jumping and screaming that Dear should be #1 have to edit their posts so that Rain should be #1! That's how power ranks work! If you lose to a player, that player passes you in the ranking.
How about that good ol' fashion SK McLuvin too? hue. PR's truly are a Fool's Errand. You just cannot win.
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I wonder who Taeja beat who also just beat Dear? Hmmm
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