On December 07 2013 02:22 ANLProbe wrote:
I wonder who Taeja beat who also just beat Dear? Hmmm
I wonder who Taeja beat who also just beat Dear? Hmmm
Not in the last 3 months and not in a pvp.
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absinthfee
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On December 07 2013 02:22 ANLProbe wrote: I wonder who Taeja beat who also just beat Dear? Hmmm Not in the last 3 months and not in a pvp. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:55 Niteblade_ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 02:44 Yorkie wrote: On December 05 2013 20:44 Niteblade_ wrote: On December 05 2013 11:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Overall, I feel like Life is undeserving of his spot, as other than terrorizing foreign tournaments, he is still stuck in code A. I would put everyone in the top ten before him, as this is based on results and not potential (hes been very quiet since hots in general). It's not just results according to their criteria. They factor in quality of play and difficulty of opponents. Which is what Life mainly has going for him atm. Although, even on the results side of things he did win his ro24 code A match (which would mean he IS code S under normal circumstances) and won an IEM not too long ago, so there's that. With all that alone I'd put him over at least CJ herO. I noticed you said you don't watch much recently and only look at results. So as a reminder, do you remember what the old Life looked like? You know the guy who seemingly can do whatever the fuck he wants and dominate. The guy who just seems to always find a way to get lings into your base, while meanwhile he's painting the map in creep and whoring drones at home behind the distraction? Yeah he looks like that again. Thats awesome. I'd love to see life back in form. However, he still hasn't put up notable results, there are people more deserving of that spot. Most of the top 10 can look amazing vs tier 2 players, that doesn't mean they deserve to be there for crushing them. On December 05 2013 15:24 Yorkie wrote: On December 05 2013 15:17 Kheve wrote: Taeja only won 1 major tournament the whole year (20k and above purse) and power rank comes out right after that >_>. Dear won 2 majors and sos won the majorest of majors and only got 2nd and 3rd. Bias overwhelming. Taeja has been consistently amazing all year long with the infamous summer of Taeja lasting longer than ever. He has looked unstoppable in all three matchups as of late, recently beating a plethora of players ranked beneath him in the top ten. One could argue that some early GGs resulting from a lack of confidence are the only reason he even lost to Dear at Blizzcon. As such I believe Dear to be the only other player in the top 10 with a valid claim for a better spot...No liquid player has been ranked number one all year and rightfully so, but it's not their fault if one of their own is currently on a tear The infamous summer is mostly hype. Last year he did much better in code S than this year (it was more real last year), but this year he's more of a weekend warrior, taking DH's and HSC but nothing thats an on going individual league. And he doesn't look unstoppable, he has failed to beat jaedong, bomber, dear, and also lost to heart in wcs.... That's not what i define as unstoppable. Maru to me is more impressive after thinking about it, he has been doing amazing in code S and doing it consistently (being stopped by dear twice in back to back semi's is still and impressive feat). He's been beating higher quality opponents in a preparation setting. That to me is worth more than weekend tournies. Ahh the infamous "He didn't win every match he played in the year of 2013, he can't be ranked number one in the December power rank" argument. Are you honestly insinuating that Jaedong and Bomber (I'm a huge fan of both btw) are more deserving of the top spot because they beat him in matches earlier this year? As I said with a recent victory over Taeja at Blizzcon and his WCS results Dear is the only player I would rank above Taeja. The summer of Taeja is not "just hype" He has won multiple DH, ASUS ROG, and MLG tournaments in the summer months and this year his dominance in offline play has extended to cover half the year. As for Maru, he just failed to beat Dear twice and Jaedong...so I'm not sure why that statistic is condemning for Taeja but uplifting for Maru. While his regular season WCS performances were not up to par with his true skill, his current level of play and amazing games against top players at season finals deserves serious recognition. Its not a "He didn't win every match he played" and more of a who he beat, and who he lost to. If you look at http://aligulac.com/players/6/results/?after=2013-09-01&before=2013-12-05&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Filter , you'll see that since the last power rank, Taeja has only managed to beat sOs and innovation (weak tvt) out of the top 10 power rank, and has been unable to beat dear or jaedong. He also lost bo3 series to several people much weaker than him (if he is indeed #1) in major, heart, bbyong and sunny. Other than inno and sos, he hasn't been able to crack anyone in the top ten, and some that were close to it (polt, bomber). I agree he is playing amazing, but #1 can't be justified with those results imo... And now look at dear: http://aligulac.com/players/1659/results/?after=2013-09-01&before=2013-12-05&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Filter His bo3 losses come at the hands of jaedong, oz, byong and hydra. All of which i'd rate better than all but the top 2 foreigners. And his wins include: Soulkey, Maru (x2), soo, Taeja(!), DRG, MC, Trap. Much more impressive list than Taeja's recent "top" korean opponents. And Dear did it in a setting that has been proven time and time again to be the most difficult (arguably the 3 most difficult tournies in the 3 month period), where preparing for opponents is nessesary. Taeja's came at weekend tournies, with him dropping out of what should be an easy win (or at least get out of the R16) for the #1 player. Perhaps I was a bit harsh on saying I'd put those people above taeja, but imo SK, JD, taeja and maru are all about equal for #2-5, but Dear is a clear #1. Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 05:34 DinoMight wrote: On December 06 2013 04:51 purgerinho wrote: On December 06 2013 02:23 DinoMight wrote: On December 05 2013 19:57 purgerinho wrote: so, being in liquid makes big bust, right? there is no way taeja is no1.. why did i waste my time to read this.. last time he was no2 without any reason, now he is no1 without any big tournament win... it would be funny if it is not sad :/ where is professionalism from BW power ranks, where results were more important than the team player is in? be ashamed, be very ashamed!!!! What the hell is this post????? no1 without any big tournament win... LMAO. Didn't he JUST win Dreamhack where he beat umm....Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Sjow, Hero, MMA, and Life twice?? Or Homestory cup where he beat Titan, Symbol, Hero, Symbol again, and then went 4-0 against Hyun... and lost 3 maps in the process. Or Dreamhack Bucharest where he beat Yugioh, sOs, Life and Innovation without dropping a map. Some people, man... there wasn't PR for three months so you should acknowledge that fact... DH is not a big tournament compared to wcs NA/KR/EU, wcs finals of blizzcon... is taeja no1 in that period? apsolutly not. period. Dreamhack Winter, in terms of viewership and players present, was almost as big as Blizzcon.. Who should be number 1 then? Dear? he's number 2. Other players have won the WCS events, but nobody has looked as dominant as Taeja during his last few big tournament runs. Dear won games. sOs won games. But people made mistakes against them. Jaedong threw that game on Akilon SO HARD. Meanwhile, Taeja's wins have made his opponents look like platinum level scrubs in comparison. After Life mauled everyone to get back into the finals Tajea made him look like a nobody. To go undefeated in a Dreamhack (Bucharest) is ridiculous. And to Dominate top Korean players the way he did at Dreamhack Winter is also ridiculous. Certainly deserves #1 in my book. What top korean players did he dominate again? Life who is in code A, and Inno who hasn't won anything since Season 1? To say that their opponents threw the games while taeja out played and made his look like scrubs is ridiculous. I suppose then that Taeja threw against dear and Jaedong to make them feel better or something? How do explain Taeja's [I]losses[/] To top koreans who only win when their opponent throws? I would glady eat my words if Taeja beat more people in the top 10 (would love to see him play vs SK and maru, those would be series to watch), but he never makes it far enough in tournaments they attend to play agains them -_- Plz use the nice postable feature :D Results for ![]() ![]() Games: 69.48% (107-47) Matches: 75.95% (60-19) Current Form: W W W W W W W W W W Recent Matches: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Filters: + Show Spoiler + Opponent Race: all Stats by Aligulac. Link. 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Crackpot
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StarStruck
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On December 07 2013 08:18 Crackpot wrote: Hard to make powerranks but I would sign it, only sOs is way overrated. I promise you guys sOs will not win any other tournament ever. Hello anti-fan. | ||
plasemeious
United States244 Posts
On December 05 2013 10:58 Niteblade_ wrote: Overall, I feel like Life is undeserving of his spot, as other than terrorizing foreign tournaments, he is still stuck in code A. I would put everyone in the top ten before him, as this is based on results and not potential (hes been very quiet since hots in general). ) Life qualified for code S | ||
GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
Not that diferent from BW after all (ya ya i know Zero and Hydra surpassed JD later in BW w/e) | ||
Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
gogo herO you climb list good ok! in a world where you can't put everyone up against eachother in multiple Bo7s for days on end to determine the true #1, Taeja is certainly worthy. It is what it is. Life though, lol. | ||
boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On December 07 2013 08:18 Crackpot wrote: Hard to make powerranks but I would sign it, only sOs is way overrated. I promise you guys sOs will not win any other tournament ever. | ||
SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
On December 07 2013 08:18 Crackpot wrote: Hard to make powerranks but I would sign it, only sOs is way overrated. I promise you guys sOs will not win any other tournament ever. Truth. | ||
myminerals
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I would not put JD that high though, Parting is too low imo. Anyway, good ranking, the best so far. | ||
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This may sound cliche but it has never been more true in sc2 history, the only person that can beat Taeja, is Taeja. Maybe I'm a little bit of a fanboy but whatever, it's still true. | ||
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Darkhorse
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On December 11 2013 19:47 GumBa wrote: I dont think Life can be put over Inno tbh imo But what about this or this? ![]() | ||
GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:43 Krogan wrote: This was one of the easiest months of the year to guess the number 1 player for me. Imo it's not just about comparing who they beat or how much money they made but when Taeja plays his best he outclasses ALL other players, no matter the match up and even if his opponent is playing the games of his life. This may sound cliche but it has never been more true in sc2 history, the only person that can beat Taeja, is Taeja. Maybe I'm a little bit of a fanboy but whatever, it's still true. Meh plenty of players have beaten Taeja at peaks in his career. I like taeja but I think your statement is in correct imo | ||
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