EPTWCS Grand Finals Recap - Page 6
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Buddy168
United States157 Posts
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
However GRATS to sOs! :D He played so well the entire tournament. | ||
Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On November 10 2013 15:41 dgwow wrote: Question: What was the max viewer number for the finals? I missed the last day of games, predicted something like 130k I believe it was 130k-140k on the twitch stream and then I am not sure if we know how many were watching on the Blizzard stream | ||
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Frogstomp
United States125 Posts
On November 10 2013 15:19 vthree wrote: To be fair, JD beat Maru using 10 pool, bling bust, roach bane (which gave him a big advantage in game 4). This is true, but an unfair characterization. In game 2, jaedong surrounds & kills the second reaper with 4 slow lings and proceeds to delay Maru's CC for a significant amount of time - delaying Maru's production upswing. The baneling bust is a direct response to this, not a blind all-in. For the roach bane, it was also a response to the fact that Maru went for the double factory blue-flame hellion opening (which JD scouted with quick ovie speed) - and did 0 damage. Also, this wasn't "the" roach-bane all-in, which needs to kill the other player; it was an aggressive attack meant to deny Maru's third and prevent him from catching up from his earlier failed attack. As to the 10-pool, just don't freaking go command center first on the low ground on a 2-player map. Maru could still have gone CC first on the high-ground and Jaedong would have been in a much worse position. 10 Pool is a great mind-gamey way to open up a series but isn't so all-in as to have lost the game for Jaedong had it not worked out. sOs's plays were also brilliant, but in very different ways. Cannon rushing game-1 very smart (in the same way that JD's 10 pool was smart for its bo7 mind-game potential), rushing game 2 very ballsy (and again, I don't think there should be spots where 2 pylons can wall off a cannon, but then again perhaps JD should have known about that spot and put a drone patrolling there). Game 3 hidden base very risky but even that advantage wasn't enough to stand up to JD's mechanics. Game 4, strong, well-thought out 2-base timing that JD scouted and could-have-should-have responded to. Game 5 JD mentally crushed and gets owned by hidden pylon and standard followup pressure. All very smart plays by sOs, but so many were a-priori, hope-and-pray sort of plays. The brilliance lies in his understanding of the meta, and also of Jaedong's style (coupled of course with the great control and execution necessary to be a world-class protoss). I personally don't find these types of plays as beautiful as the ones I described for JD vs Maru, but again I'm predisposed as a zerg player to this reactive type of strategy & don't mean to take anything away from sOs. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Taking no credit from sOs though, he played fantastically. | ||
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goody153
44023 Posts
On November 10 2013 15:37 MarlieChurphy wrote: 3 things that bothered me about JD's play: 1, He basically threw away a won game by playing lazy/bad. He went ultras, no reason to go ultras. No reason to send those 4 ultra to finish the bruised nexus either, 2 of them didn't even DO ANYTHING, they just died. He could have sent 25 lings, or 8 mutas, or anything other that the ultras there. And then he decided to base trade and hope to remax on muta, even though there was nothing in the base to kill the ultra army so he could remax muta. What a poor gameplan. 2, How could you not notice he is going forge/nexus openings and do some early pool builds. 7pool works great even if you don't outright win. 3, Why doesn't he EVER scout all the bases. As a casual gamer even I send my fresh lords or random lings to all the empty bases after 15 minutes. What the fuck man. To sum it all up, JD lacks in scouting and decision making. Work on it or you will forever fill the lost duty of Yellow and Stork as the silver miner. Really, SOS is good but his play isn't all that overwhelming or technical. He just BO countered and took advantage of JDs weaknesses. Once a player has those taken away, he beats SOS. even progamers make mistake buddy .. even the greatest ones .. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On November 10 2013 14:36 fx9 wrote: What? Underdogs aren't allowed to score upset wins anymore? By your logic, trophies should be handed out to the favourites like JD, Inno, Soulkey etc. without them even going on to the stage to fight for them then. In all honesty, JD does deserve at least a trophy this year, but that doesn't the hardwork of others should be overlooked. JD still have his godly APM/micro/macro, just need to hold his nerves better next time. the only aspect sOs is the underdog coming to this series is fans' favoritism | ||
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p1oneer
Latvia50 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
Congratulations sOs, I can hardly wait to see the VoDs. | ||
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Also I win for writing his hype bwa ha ha | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:30 Arceus wrote: the only aspect sOs is the underdog coming to this series is fans' favoritism What does that even mean. I will continue to be a fan because that is what this game needs. And because I am such a passionate fan - yes. I will NOT forgive sOs, I will NOT forgive Protoss, and this has only strengthened my desire to see the Tyrant win completely and utterly. No one entering this tourney was an "underdog." But that does not mean that the games were not terrible. I had more entertainment watching the games with Dear and could respect his play even when Jaedong was losing. Of course, this is all objective, so if you love cannon rushes, I'm sure you loved this final. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:45 Qwyn wrote: What does that even mean. I will continue to be a fan because that is what this game needs. And because I am such a passionate fan - yes. I will NOT forgive sOs, I will NOT forgive Protoss, and this has only strengthened my desire to see the Tyrant win completely and utterly. No one entering this tourney was an "underdog." But that does not mean that the games were not terrible. I had more entertainment watching the games with Dear and could respect his play even when Jaedong was losing. Of course, this is all objective, so if you love cannon rushes, I'm sure you loved this final. Sounds like sOs ruined your tournament the same way that JD ruined mine (by cheesing out Maru). | ||
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neverlast
Austria62 Posts
Maybe it was his mouse  .... anyone knows what mouse he is using? Small: http://postimg.org/image/yhrz1wjfb/ ![[image loading]](http://postimg.org/image/yhrz1wjfb/) Big picture http://postimg.org/image/hojdybv43/ | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:45 Qwyn wrote: What does that even mean. I will continue to be a fan because that is what this game needs. And because I am such a passionate fan - yes. I will NOT forgive sOs, I will NOT forgive Protoss, and this has only strengthened my desire to see the Tyrant win completely and utterly. No one entering this tourney was an "underdog." But that does not mean that the games were not terrible. I had more entertainment watching the games with Dear and could respect his play even when Jaedong was losing. Of course, this is all objective, so if you love cannon rushes, I'm sure you loved this final. It means people saw JD as favorite mostly because they're his fans and sos isn't nearly as famous, not because he's that much better than sos. kinda weird you whine about cannon rushes when jaedong cheesed at least 1 game in like every series. ur post is anything but objective. | ||
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:56 Kabras wrote: It means people saw JD as favorite mostly because they're his fans and sos isn't nearly as famous, not because he's that much better than sos. kinda weird you whine about cannon rushes when jaedong cheesed at least 1 game in like every series. ur post is anything but objective. Read my profile if you want to understand how I feel. I could argue about it all day but I'll refrain from doing so. I'll just say this: It should be very, VERY clear here that I am not objective NOR AM I TRYING TO BE. I am not, NOT going to be objective. I wouldn't be such a fan if I considered the position or logic of the enemy and neither am I about to compare the series play of the two. | ||
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DocLaGnole
9 Posts
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fx9
117 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:41 lichter wrote: Of all the Protoss to hate, why hate the strangest wackiest most interesting one? You guys are chumps Also I win for writing his hype bwa ha ha Haha, true that. Unlike Rain who play the most defensive/passive style, or MC ultra-aggressive blink-stalker style, I find sOs play is more entertaining and refreshing. sOs pulled JD left and right apart with great BO and execution, similar to how JD dismantled Maru with cheeses/all-ins, so you can't complain too much on the cheese from sOs. | ||
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