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On November 10 2013 11:46 Qwyn wrote:
The most disappointing and - lame - ending to a tourney I've seen all year. sOs added to my player hit list.
What? Underdogs aren't allowed to score upset wins anymore?
By your logic, trophies should be handed out to the favourites like JD, Inno, Soulkey etc. without them even going on to the stage to fight for them then.
In all honesty, JD does deserve at least a trophy this year, but that doesn't the hardwork of others should be overlooked.
JD still have his godly APM/micro/macro, just need to hold his nerves better next time.
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If jaedong "deserves" a trophy so does MC who had plenty of 2nds too. Naw men you only deserve if you actually win.
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On November 10 2013 14:39 tdt wrote:
If jaedong "deserves" a trophy so does MC who had plenty of 2nds too. Naw men you only deserve if you actually win.
MC got 2 GSLs when 4 - gate was imba and Blizzard were throwing a lot of money at the relative newbies of the game back then . He can't win today when better players are playing and the game is more balanced .
While in Jaedong's case is just a matter of time , because he is improving a lot everytime he plays and actually gets to the finals of big tournaments .
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Well, maybe deserved is not the correct word for it.
Not a fan of JD, but it's really heartbreaking to see a player coming up short time and time again.
However, for many fans, anybody winning against JD in the finals is by default, undeserved, which IMO is unwarranted.
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On November 10 2013 14:44 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 14:39 tdt wrote:
If jaedong "deserves" a trophy so does MC who had plenty of 2nds too. Naw men you only deserve if you actually win. MC got 2 GSLs when 4 - gate was imba and Blizzard were throwing a lot of money at the relative newbies of the game back then . He can't win today when better players are playing and the game is more balanced . While in Jaedong's case is just a matter of time , because he is improving a lot everytime he plays and actually gets to the finals of big tournaments .
I guess that's why MC was even in this tournament. Because of his inability to win.
It was 15 players who were doing well this year. And MC. Who must have gotten here because he just got last place in so many tournaments that the points just added up.
Geez I've seen some silly posts, but saying MC was only good because of the 4 gate is like saying Mvp was only good because of the 11/11 rax.
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On November 10 2013 11:21 Plexa wrote:![[image loading]](http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/578940jdwins.gif) GGs! Can't wait for WCS 2014.
Seriously, this guy immortalized himself by doing this..
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.... most depressing finals in long time..
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On November 10 2013 12:09 StarStruck wrote:Only prob with that gif is that it was when Jaedong took a match. ;/
Yeah, if you read his lips he screams "Jae-dong!" in there.
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On November 10 2013 14:44 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 14:39 tdt wrote:
If jaedong "deserves" a trophy so does MC who had plenty of 2nds too. Naw men you only deserve if you actually win. MC got 2 GSLs when 4 - gate was imba and Blizzard were throwing a lot of money at the relative newbies of the game back then . He can't win today when better players are playing and the game is more balanced . While in Jaedong's case is just a matter of time , because he is improving a lot everytime he plays and actually gets to the finals of big tournaments .
You do realize MC made the WCS Euro finals the last two seasons in a row right?
Anyway, great series by sOs. I love the way he plays PvT, but his PvZ is really solid too.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JAEDOOooooonng!
then sits and 
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All respect due to sOs for winning the finals, but like many others I'm also super disappointed JD didn't win.
And not just for all the reasons people have already mentioned - what really stings is that Jaedong looked SO good this tournament. Previous losses (Specifically to Bomber, to Polt, and to Byul) - he definitely didn't play his best, made poor decisions, and generally didn't deserve the wins. This tournament, including most of game 1 versus sOs, he looked freakin' PHENOMENAL and I was so sure he would win.
And also as a zerg player myself it stings that some of his losses were due to seemingly lame toss stuff like cannon rushes and two base immortal timings (runs off in tears...u dunt play the game right mann!). Though I don't mean to lessen those sOs wins in the slightest - they're part of competitive play. And even more, it would have been *stupid* on sOs' part to try to go toe-to-toe with The Tyrant in mechanics, macro, army control every single game - he truly was the smarter player in that respect.
But finally I will say that imho NO map should have a space behind a base that can be walled off with just TWO pylons. And that makes me cry salty fanboy tears
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On November 10 2013 15:10 Frogstomp wrote:
All respect due to sOs for winning the finals, but like many others I'm also super disappointed JD didn't win.
And not just for all the reasons people have already mentioned - what really stings is that Jaedong looked SO good this tournament. Previous losses (Specifically to Bomber, to Polt, and to Byul) - he definitely didn't play his best, made poor decisions, and generally didn't deserve the wins. This tournament, including most of game 1 versus sOs, he looked freakin' PHENOMENAL and I was so sure he would win.
And also as a zerg player myself it stings that some of his losses were due to seemingly lame toss stuff like cannon rushes and two base immortal timings (runs off in tears...u dunt play the game right mann!). Though I don't mean to lessen those sOs wins in the slightest - they're part of competitive play. And even more, it would have been *stupid* on sOs' part to try to go toe-to-toe with The Tyrant in mechanics, macro, army control every single game - he truly was the smarter player in that respect.
But finally I will say that imho NO map should have a space behind a base that can be walled off with just TWO pylons. And that makes me cry salty fanboy tears
To be fair, JD beat Maru using 10 pool, bling bust, roach bane (which gave him a big advantage in game 4).
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On November 10 2013 11:46 Qwyn wrote:
The most disappointing and - lame - ending to a tourney I've seen all year. sOs added to my player hit list.
i'm feeling this
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On November 10 2013 15:24 igay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:46 Qwyn wrote:
The most disappointing and - lame - ending to a tourney I've seen all year. sOs added to my player hit list. i'm feeling this
let me join the party.
jd should have won...but he choked... oh wells...
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Everybody expected Jaedong to win it all then came from nowhere, sOs steals the trophy.It would have been JD's greatest achievement in his career. Winning Blizzcon is like MSL, OSL GSL WCG compiled as one.His vs P is like his BW days, fearsome.
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On November 10 2013 15:31 elmerpogs wrote:
Everybody expected Jaedong to win it all then came from nowhere, sOs steals the trophy.It would have been JD's greatest achievement in his career. Winning Blizzcon is like MSL, OSL GSL WCG compiled as one.His vs P is like his BW days, fearsome.
sOs didn't steal anything. As much as we don't like it and as much we wanted JD to win, sOs did what it took to win and you can't fault him for that.
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3 things that bothered me about JD's play:
1, He basically threw away a won game by playing lazy/bad. He went ultras, no reason to go ultras. No reason to send those 4 ultra to finish the bruised nexus either, 2 of them didn't even DO ANYTHING, they just died. He could have sent 25 lings, or 8 mutas, or anything other that the ultras there. And then he decided to base trade and hope to remax on muta, even though there was nothing in the base to kill the ultra army so he could remax muta. What a poor gameplan.
2, How could you not notice he is going forge/nexus openings and do some early pool builds. 7pool works great even if you don't outright win.
3, Why doesn't he EVER scout all the bases. As a casual gamer even I send my fresh lords or random lings to all the empty bases after 15 minutes. What the fuck man.
To sum it all up, JD lacks in scouting and decision making. Work on it or you will forever fill the lost duty of Yellow and Stork as the silver miner.
Really, SOS is good but his play isn't all that overwhelming or technical. He just BO countered and took advantage of JDs weaknesses. Once a player has those taken away, he beats SOS.
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no sOs is actually the most hated person in america tonight.
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Question: What was the max viewer number for the finals? I missed the last day of games, predicted something like 130k
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On November 10 2013 11:59 TJ31 wrote:
Great tournament overall with terrible final series. I can only hope sOs is the 2nd Sniper (i.e. I won't see him winning anything ever again).
JD vs sOs rematch at DH Winter maybe?
I love sOs :D
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