WCS Grand Finals Recap - Page 19

On November 12 2013 01:47 Darkhoarse wrote:

Here's the thing, you don't have to cheer for sOs. You don't have to like him, post nice things about him, any of that. However, you do have to maintain a certain level of civility when talking about him, at least here.

Basically that just means no "protoss imba" "sOs just cheesed him didn't deserve the win". Other than that you can do whatever you want pretty much. Cheer for JD.

On November 12 2013 01:57 Plansix wrote:

As a Red Sox fan and hater of the Yankees by the laws of nature, I can't agree with the whole "be civil" and "just cheer for JD". A little trash talking(within reason) makes games fun. Booing the guy you don't want to win is fine. It's all in good fun. The greatest sport rivialy of all time has only been made better by the fans cheering for one side and booing the others. Red Sox fans may hate the Yankees, but we wouldn't want a world without them.

On November 12 2013 02:36 entropy. wrote:
does anybody know if the first person streams were saved?

On November 10 2013 12:20 Nuclease wrote:
Was heartbroken that JD lost, but people really didn't pay sOs the respect he deserves as the champ at BlizzCon. So many people wouldn't cheer for anyone but JD. Really, the crowd was so lame

On November 12 2013 04:08 neptunusfisk wrote:


Aint that the story of 2013? Good players beat ok zerg, fanboys of ok zerg rage and whine. Iterate.

On November 12 2013 04:12 Darkhoarse wrote:

How many times has that actually happened in 2013? o_O

On November 12 2013 03:53 0mg_t1red wrote:
sOs played rly great all of his games on this tournament. as well as JD. but im rly happy that sOs won i was rly touched by how sOs was happy! but i was also disapointed that audience wasnt cheering for him that much D:

On November 12 2013 03:11 HolyArrow wrote:


Yeah, I agree that a little trash talking is fine within reason. The problem is that a lot of people didn't really seem to be within reason, and didn't respect the difference between trash talking ("JD's gonna stomp sOs into the ground!") and making flat out ignorant claims that ignore the level of skill that sOs showed ("Toss imba", "He's just a dirty cheeser, fuck SC2 and fuck sOs").

Also, in SC2, unlike baseball, there are far more lesser known progamers than big stars like Jaedong. Imagine if every time non-big star played against a big star at a live SC2 event, the crowd would boo the lesser known player. Unlike baseball in which there are already established rivalries and big fanbases for all the big teams, you'd have some people getting boo'd over and over again, which I personally think is bullshit. Imagine if you're a less popular pro like Alive, and almost every foreign tournament you went to, you had 90% of a big crowd booing you because "Booing the guy you don't want to win is fine". Jesus, that would be a nightmare, and IMO very unfair to Alive who has to deal with a hostile environment like that every time he plays at a foreign event. People keep making these comparisons to baseball and football to justify how they act as a SC2 fan, and I don't think these are fair comparisons to make because SC2 and baseball/football have so many big differences in terms of popularity.

On November 12 2013 04:47 neptunusfisk wrote:


The ok zerg has lost like.. five major and minor finals recently? And semifinals and stuff.

On November 12 2013 00:49 StarStruck wrote:



There is no such things as absolutes in this game. Having one bad series doesn't make you bad, lol. You have to look at the player's whole body of work in relation to time as well. Goes back to what I said before, there are a lot of players out there who can win on any given Sunday and that's the whole basis of LAN fields (let's face it, we're living in the day and age of the Western Lan model). That isn't going to change nor should it because the costs are already high enough as is holding such events. Just another reason we see this tournament at Blizzcon. We're killing a nest of birds with one stone.

If someone gets really hot. Good luck trying to stop them. It's the same premise as when Hwanni and I looked at Leenock and said, "Shit. This kid is going to win MLG." Didn't matter he was behind in map score to DRG. I'll borrow a page from the casters, "Leenock was playing out of his mind."

I wouldn't call it inconsistency because a lot of these players are actually fairly consistent. It's wrong to only go by their wins in tournaments. These guys consistently get results in league play and they consistently go far in the tournaments they attend. The WCS KR is hard to judge because there are so many mine bombs in the field that you need a little more luck dodging the shrapnel compared to other tournaments. The skill level and threats are just that much higher and for many of those players. It's the only way they can make a name for themselves.

I have no idea what you have against JangBi because right before he retired. He was getting very, very good and he was Khan's most consistent player in PL. Khan could always rely on him to get the win in the Ace match as long as the Series got there. The guy quit because he didn't enjoy the game anymore regardless of success. Simple as that and I'm not saying Pro League is the most important indicator, but it's a place where we constantly get to see the KeSPA rosters go head-to-head and showcase their skills over a long period of time. Does this reflect back on the Individual Leagues? Not necessarily. As I said before going back to the BW days there were many players who you could rely upon when it came to PL but that doesn't mean they were getting the individual results at the same time. In fact, several players would go MIA or would get knocked out early whether it be the qualifiers or early stages. For instance, guys like Sea and Bisu. Who are actually performing very well after going back to BW/afreeca/SOSPA. Well, Bisu is just about to start in Sonic but he's been beating a lot of the top dogs thus far on his stream constantly. Hopefully he doesn't die to hydra busts. :/

On November 12 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:

That photo is so fucking good. Glad we have moved to a era where players lose their shit when they win and don't just stay on booth.