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ElajteCajten
Austria4 Posts
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ElajteCajten
Austria4 Posts
On November 11 2013 15:00 ladysman09 wrote: This just means Jaedong will be even more motivated to win DH. I hope he wins that since sOs won't be there to stop him. Innovation will be there but we all know JD severely out classes innovation in every way. JD has better micro, macro, multi tasking, and so on. Really? sOs is qualified tho :o | ||
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TheOne26
Australia142 Posts
the level of concentration required to make no mistakes and play perfectly to win game after game is just too high. this is why it is so impressive when you see repeat champions that stay on top for long periods of time and it is why no other player will get the same level of respect i give to a player like MVP until they can achieve similar levels of dominance. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
I have some good pictures. I was 10 ft from him in the 2nd row from the catwalk. Hope to get some up in a thread soon. Phone upload rate a bit slow while tethering. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:32 lowercase wrote: To all the haters, note that sOs played with some next-level mindgames that series. He deserved the win, even if we were rooting for Jaedong. After game 3 Jaedong was rattled hard. I was a bit upset they did not give him more time between his semis and finals. Where was the pre-show? Figured we would get tempo up there or something. Or more analysis. The only game Jaedong won he thought it was way ahead where he really was not. Even that game shook him a bit. Zealots acting as ForceFields with only 2 gas? Great move. sOs brought some creative play. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 11 2013 17:47 DarkLordOlli wrote: What a way to end this WCS season. It's done so much good for the community. When we used to see negative threads pop up every minute on reddit a few weeks ago, the season 3 finals and then Blizzcon really have silenced them with flawless production, amazing hype and storylines and great games. I loved getting the chance to be a part of it and to contribute my part. Bring on 2014! no positivity pls sOs not real champion 0/10 too volatile dead game etc | ||
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MuMeise
Germany81 Posts
On November 11 2013 18:13 Zealously wrote: no positivity pls sOs not real champion 0/10 too volatile dead game etc is that your kind of humor or do you mean that? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On November 11 2013 19:03 MuMeise wrote: is that your kind of humor or do you mean that? He's being sarcastic | ||
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MuMeise
Germany81 Posts
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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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Crackpot
58 Posts
On November 11 2013 08:54 Faruko wrote: So in favor of your argument you just decide to forget that sOs played 2 group stages, and 2 players in a Bo5 (Alicia 3-0 and SoulKey 3-2) without any selfconfidence and poor mechanics/executions, before losing to Innovation against 4-0 ? Alicia was no match for any korea-korean player this tournament, and Soulkey was his teammate, thats why I think he wasn't afraid of fighting him. But in the game vs Innovation you see him loosing everything he won against Soulkey, and I bet with you, in future he will show us more of that epic fails, I just dont think he is a consistent player, thats my opinion. Peace | ||
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TheOne26
Australia142 Posts
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Crackpot
58 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:25 StarStruck wrote: There's the problem. Sounds like you are putting too much weight on that series. That's all it was. One series; one moment in time. If we look back at what he did in PL and the fact he was tied with JangBi with the best record in high pressure situations (they were tied at 5-1 when all the money was on the line) and his regular season record. Well shit. They were pretty effective. If there is a player I'm missing right now it's JangBi because I would have liked to see what he really could do with this game. He would definitely be up there with a lot of the other Protoss players atm. It's funny because there was a period in BW PL where you would expect JangBi to proxy and he did. One thing I don't see changing anytime soon is Protoss players getting a lot of flack for the way they play. Like I said earlier, if you go back to the other points in time where a Protoss was doing well you'd always see other folks ragging on their playstyle. Now that we have a bunch of them and they all have their different tics? It's making it very hard for the other players. This isn't Brood Lord/Infestor all over again. It's very different unit compositions and timings that make it hard to adjust to. Ofcourse iam putting much weight on that series, because its the series to find out whos the very best,... at least I think thats the basic idea of that tournament. I agree with you that JangBi played pretty good, he was my favorite toss. In my eyes he played the most aggressive toss and his micro and mechanics were always on top (even when he lost on osl). I just dont like inconsistency, or players showing in one series over-the-top mechanics/multitasking/micro and one series later they play like if they just don't care about anything. (That are some points were JangBi never failed, he maybe failed in decision making) I just don't see those kind of players as the "very best". Maybe you are right and Proleague should be the most important tournament. peace | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On November 11 2013 14:06 Darkhoarse wrote: Come on man there's no need for that. Isn't it just better to say something like, "I'm glad sOs won, and so convincingly!" than to just bash on JD? Don't be that guy man. Considering how many JDliebers bashed sOs, yes... i can see why people wanted to say something like that, no to mentionit is true, JD fell into sOs plan EVERY SINGLE TIME, even the one he won, because it was that huge gamble with the muta-switch that won him the game | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On November 11 2013 19:03 MuMeise wrote: is that your kind of humor or do you mean that? you must be romanian | ||
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fx9
117 Posts
He is a great player, but has not yet attained the legendary status yet, I think everybody will agree on that. "I don't know about the other days, but today I am the champion of the world" -Dear. That absolutely applies to sOs as well. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On November 10 2013 19:19 kheldorin wrote: SoS beat JD strategically and tactically. It wasn't decided by whether a build gets scouted or not. Game 1 was JD's to lose. That cannon rush was inconsequential. He should have kept denying the 4th instead of letting SoS mass up. That Utra switch should have killed SoS but I think JD was dead set on faking ultras, letting Sos overcommit on ultra counters and then switching quickly to mutas. There was a point where SoS wasn't actually ready for Ultras but ready for mutas. Game 2, JD spotted the cannon rush so he wasn't caught off guard, he just didn't respond to it correctly. Even after that the response to go corrupters and zerglings vs zealot + phoenix wasn't correct either. Game 3, not scouting the hidden expansion could have been a problem but JD won anyway. Game 4, robo was scouted. But the fact that the warp prism instead of an immortal came out confused the hell out of JD. Again JD has scouted what was going on, he just didn't respond correctly. Game 5, gateway opening for the first time. JD was on auto pilot and played as if it was against a forge or fast nexus expand. He had 2 zerglings at the front of Sos's base and he still let the probe through. Poor response to the gateway expand and poor map awareness. Zealots wreak havoc, that's not so bad. What was just poor play was the fact that JD didn't search for that hidden pylon after he had cleared the zealots. In Maru vs JD, they both tried to outsmart each other but neither managed to do so. At every stage, they both knew what the correct response should be. But in SoS vs JD, JD just had no answer. It's like a chess program. A program may appear smart but all it actually does is look through it's database to find the appropriate response. There's no clever thinking involved, it's just following a flow chart. That's the problem with JD, he looked through his database, found no entry and could not formulate a response. SoS beat the JD program. That's why I think people should appreciate SoS's play. He's the guy with the real "human" intelligence. Out of all the players playing in SC2 right now, if you were to nominate one of them to go against a really smart AI equipped with databases filled with replays of top players, it has to be SoS. The fact that he manages to find something different when people think that the game is at the stage where everything has been figured out is amazing. Man, you're saying "It's not been decided by scouting!" and then you go full "Game 1-3 was totally about (not) scouting". Just wanted to throw that in. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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10bulgares
352 Posts
On November 11 2013 20:27 fx9 wrote: Isn't it too early to write off sOs for being inconsistent? That's just laughable, considering that he just won his first big tourney. He is a great player, but has not yet attained the legendary status yet, I think everybody will agree on that. "I don't know about the other days, but today I am the champion of the world" -Dear. That absolutely applies to sOs as well. It is not too early. It is too late. sOs has been very good throughout the Proleague, has maintained himself in the WCS KR premier league every season without having to pass through the up and down matches and has done well in every other tournament he has participated in: - win at the martial art thing, - final at the WCS S1 global finals, - ro8 at IEM NY, - ro8 at DH Bucarest, plus qualification to DH winter through the seeding matches (and those last two tournaments were stacked, so ro8 is no small feat) - win at blizzcon. He has at least been very consistent in 2013. Even in the GSL seasons before HotS he was far from being ridiculous. Only one hiccup in the season one up and downs. | ||
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