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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
November 10 2013 08:20 GMT
#121
And I thought that after beating Dear no protoss can touch him. Also if Dear won it would be much more interesting storyline.

Fun fact. Out of 4 BlizzCon/WCS championships, 3 were won by protosses.

DONG officially cursed.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
November 10 2013 08:29 GMT
#122
sOs super deserved the win. Jaedong made so many mistakes and was outright beaten by sOs' superior mindgames.

Beating Hero, Polt, Bomber and Jaedong with none of them being able to take more than one map off him in three b05 and one bo7 speaks volumes of his ability.

I really think all his opponents underestimated his ability to surprise and confuse them. Tricks aside - he poooned this tournement and I doubt any but soulkey could have stopped him.

Congrats sOs - you carpe diemed the shit out of blizzcon!!~~

gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
November 10 2013 08:29 GMT
#123
On November 10 2013 17:20 nimdil wrote:
And I thought that after beating Dear no protoss can touch him. Also if Dear won it would be much more interesting storyline.

Fun fact. Out of 4 BlizzCon/WCS championships, 3 were won by protosses.

DONG officially cursed.

Artosis also did his part :D
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
StanMarsh
Profile Joined September 2012
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 08:36:59
November 10 2013 08:32 GMT
#124
I don't see how sOs was such a huge surprise in this match up. I get he is relatively new compared to JD, but JD has a style about him that by even watching just this tourney you'd see how he likes to play and where he gets uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I think JD is a fantastic player and I rooted for him in this tourney. However, maybe this is a case of not only sOs playing out of his mind, but also how being so well known actually hurt JD? I know it's a lot but perhaps a DH rematch?

Great tourney overall though, well done and congrats to sOs as well as all the players who were there!!
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 10 2013 08:39 GMT
#125
Attaboy sOs! ^^
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
theRayeGun
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore12 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 08:43:25
November 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#126
On November 10 2013 17:20 nimdil wrote:
And I thought that after beating Dear no protoss can touch him. Also if Dear won it would be much more interesting storyline.

Fun fact. Out of 4 BlizzCon/WCS championships, 3 were won by protosses.

DONG officially cursed.


I don't seem to remember Innovation or Bomber playing toss.. hmmm I guess my memories are failing me.
SSVnormandy
Profile Joined July 2012
France392 Posts
November 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#127
basically sOs played dirty protoss play in alll his matches. I rather see dear take the tournament . all theses matches felt so gimmick
Battlecruisers.... Just Battlecruisers...
BerryCruncH
Profile Joined October 2012
13 Posts
November 10 2013 08:53 GMT
#128
On November 10 2013 17:43 theRayeGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 17:20 nimdil wrote:
And I thought that after beating Dear no protoss can touch him. Also if Dear won it would be much more interesting storyline.

Fun fact. Out of 4 BlizzCon/WCS championships, 3 were won by protosses.

DONG officially cursed.


I don't seem to remember Innovation or Bomber playing toss.. hmmm I guess my memories are failing me.


He's talking about the championships not the season finals. Championship winners have been Genius in 2010, Mvp in 2011, Parting in 2012, and sOs now in 2013.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12592 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 08:57:42
November 10 2013 08:57 GMT
#129
On November 10 2013 17:43 theRayeGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 17:20 nimdil wrote:
And I thought that after beating Dear no protoss can touch him. Also if Dear won it would be much more interesting storyline.

Fun fact. Out of 4 BlizzCon/WCS championships, 3 were won by protosses.

DONG officially cursed.


I don't seem to remember Innovation or Bomber playing toss.. hmmm I guess my memories are failing me.


He meant blizzcons as in con 2010 (genius), 2011 (mma or mvp I don't even remember), 2012 (parting)

(2 posts and already sniped me, I hate you)
No will to live, no wish to die
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#130
This was biggest tournament of SC2 all time but still there wasn't prize pool ceremony? There people could have shown support to players + get them huge checks so players wouldn't feel depressed.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2986 Posts
November 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#131
I don't watch a lot fo SC2 anymore but I wish I could have seen that. Seemed like an intense final !
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany535 Posts
November 10 2013 09:24 GMT
#132
sOs winning that championship is the most deserved win this year imho.
He, as a player and practice partner for other pros, worked his heart out throughout the year in order to come up with new and strong styles in all matchups. Heck, even look at the way he played during the tournament or bother reading the hype-thread to understand that he creates new build orders ALL THE TIME. I find that much more enjoyable than watching the same style over and over and over again like it happens with basically every other player in that tournament.

You'd rather watch someone win with the same build order every single time like parting did with his soultrain last year? And then complain that the game has become stale and that you see the same build orders all the time, yet you flame and curse and talk down the guy who does the exact opposite? That hardly makes any sense, right?

Jaedong lost because he faced builds that he never even expected. He didn't throw those games or choked hardcore or whatever, he just didn't see any of that coming and that is due to how well sOs understands the game and the matchup. He controlled most of those games from start to finish and game 2 is a prime example of that.
He beat the other 3 opponents rather convincingly aswell and it did look like he was just a step ahead of everyone else. You don't win 4 Bo5+ series in all matchups against the likes of HerO, Polt, Bomber and Jaedong by sheer luck but by simply being the better player.
Well deserved win for sOs who was the most important player for the protoss race this year.

Such a pity that everyone was so biased for Jaedong, the LR thread and the audience was sooo disgusting and unfair...
KivTM
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia90 Posts
November 10 2013 09:26 GMT
#133
I don't call the finals lame because JD lost. I call them lame because of the way he lost. If you guys prefer to watch games where the winner is decided by whether or not his build gets scouted, then that's fine. I on the other hand prefer games like game 4 of JD vs Maru where games are decided more by tactics and less by strategy.
fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
November 10 2013 09:31 GMT
#134
Wrong, in Game 4 of JD vs Maru, Maru is caught offguard by roach/ling bust by JD which set him back a lot in the early game.
After that, it's just fantastic micro from the Prime Terran that keep him in the game, with JD slowly choking life out of Maru with his collosal amount of bases.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 10 2013 09:37 GMT
#135
So much hate for sOs in this thread
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 09:51:38
November 10 2013 09:48 GMT
#136
Game 2 of the finals was absolutely beautiful dismantling by SoS.
While I admit that JD winning would have caused a huge uproar from the crowd and fan boys, it would be naive to downplay SoS' intelligent game play.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
November 10 2013 09:54 GMT
#137
On November 10 2013 12:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Great article! sOs' mind games really destroyed Jaedong's play. I'm also surprised that Plexa found a picture of sOs kissing the trophy that wasn't completely destroyed by confetti.

sOs spent a long time frenching that trophy.
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VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 10:40:53
November 10 2013 09:55 GMT
#138
Before the series started I was like - JD - if you win this, then the person you should thank the most is sOs himself.. The guy literally crushed your worst opponents - i.e. - Polt and Bomber to which you lost 4:0 already.. And was like - if now isn't the time, then it won't come ever.. Like - all the worst opponents from the other side of the bracket had fallen down already..

===========================================================
As for the series itself: --> TBH would've been much better series if JD took game 1.. But he seemed to lack determination in that one

I mean - he made like 15 Ultras that were "cruising" outside of the 3 sOs's bases on Akilon..

Now - I know that we knew that sOs had nothing good vs Ultras --> no Voidrays and no Immortals, and JD didn't.. But JD was just "taking a stroll" at sOs's front gate without even trying to bust the wall-off of the natural.. Even if JD lost all the Ultras there (which sure he wouldn't), JD had like 3k/3k bank behind to remax and seal the deal..

Instead what happened is - we just saw Warp-prism harass at the back that JD couldn't deal with cause he had 15 Ultras at the front, thus no supply to defend (unless saccing some of the Ultras, which he did - he sent like 5-6 Ultras to take out the 3rd in order to have free supply to defend back home).. But after that at that point - sOs had some Archons - like 5-6 of them already to defend..

And even then JD could've fought - he would've lost his Ultras but so would all sOs's army (except the Air units) die..

But NO - JD waited even longer till we saw JD lose a "base-trade" to a perfect Protoss army which he was afraid to face and lose with 3k/3k in the bank due to not having larva cause sOs smartly didn't just kill the Hatches, but the Larva as well..
===========================================================

And YES - JD was far too greedy most of the time to stop those attacks - like for example - in G2 - I was all the time like - please JD 1 Spine costs 100 min and 1 Drone.. Please make 2, or at least 1 of those.. AND HE DIDN'T DO ANY.. What was even more is that HE SCOUTED THOSE GATES.. Not a single spine in main after 2 pylon 2 Cannon in natural for 10 minutes and 5-6 Gates in production scouted.. Not a single one.. Directly going for the Mutas instead, which isn't a bad thing if you skip Roaches, but if he made like 2 Spines he wouldnt've lost drones and wouldn't have to make tons of Lings to defend vs +1 Zealots, Or at least those could've bought the time for Mutalisks to come out to defend..

===========================================================
So - overall games 2 & 4 went bad.. The other games in the series were good to watch as well as good to remember.. Though JD could've done much better in game 1 IMO.. I also think that that G1 must've shaken (or at least part of) JD's confidence..

Overall good "series", but kinda lasted short-ish (at least for me).. Would've liked a closer series, but JD not taking game 1 is the direct reason for that though..
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
November 10 2013 09:55 GMT
#139
I think knowing when to pull out the cheese is the sign of intelligence, and this game isn't just about mechanics, it's a real time strategy game. Strategy includes all builds you can use.

On November 10 2013 17:03 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 16:56 Kabras wrote:
On November 10 2013 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
On November 10 2013 16:30 Arceus wrote:
On November 10 2013 14:36 fx9 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:46 Qwyn wrote:
The most disappointing and - lame - ending to a tourney I've seen all year. sOs added to my player hit list.


What? Underdogs aren't allowed to score upset wins anymore?
By your logic, trophies should be handed out to the favourites like JD, Inno, Soulkey etc. without them even going on to the stage to fight for them then.
In all honesty, JD does deserve at least a trophy this year, but that doesn't the hardwork of others should be overlooked.
JD still have his godly APM/micro/macro, just need to hold his nerves better next time.

the only aspect sOs is the underdog coming to this series is fans' favoritism


What does that even mean.

I will continue to be a fan because that is what this game needs. And because I am such a passionate fan - yes. I will NOT forgive sOs, I will NOT forgive Protoss, and this has only strengthened my desire to see the Tyrant win completely and utterly.

No one entering this tourney was an "underdog." But that does not mean that the games were not terrible. I had more entertainment watching the games with Dear and could respect his play even when Jaedong was losing. Of course, this is all objective, so if you love cannon rushes, I'm sure you loved this final.

It means people saw JD as favorite mostly because they're his fans and sos isn't nearly as famous, not because he's that much better than sos. kinda weird you whine about cannon rushes when jaedong cheesed at least 1 game in like every series. ur post is anything but objective.


Read my profile if you want to understand how I feel.

I could argue about it all day but I'll refrain from doing so. I'll just say this: It should be very, VERY clear here that I am not objective NOR AM I TRYING TO BE. I am not, NOT going to be objective. I wouldn't be such a fan if I considered the position or logic of the enemy and neither am I about to compare the series play of the two.

I'm not going to be objective either. Jaedong added to my hitlist for beating Dear and ruining the tournament for me. He used cheese to kill Maru as well- ruining it for many terrans and prime fans. Man, JD is such a bastard
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
November 10 2013 09:58 GMT
#140
Starcraft is a strategy game, sOs using ingenius strategies to win isn't gimmicky... during the entire series, he went for one all-in, the rest of the games were just filled with brilliant pressure and mind-gaming. Sure, the immortal build depended on it being scouted or not, but sOs strength is his ability to send one type of signals to his opponent, making him feel comfortable and then doing the opposite of what he expects, executing this with epic micro and mechanics.

What differentiates sOs from Dear is that he doesn't rely on reaching that huge army and beating down enemies through sheer strength and army control, rather than getting them uncomfortable and forcing them to make mistakes. Personally, I love watching this style because it's as far as you can get from the deathball style of protoss. I really hope this tournament means that sOs has reinvented the protoss race once more, because this was a brilliant display of awesomeness!
Cogito, ergo toss.
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