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Also sOs had a sick run this tourny. I hope he can do the same at Redbull and Dreamhack !!WCS Grand Finals Recap - Page 8
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
Also sOs had a sick run this tourny. I hope he can do the same at Redbull and Dreamhack !! | ||
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TLHP
Vietnam52 Posts
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Creager
Germany1895 Posts
On November 10 2013 18:58 Zackeva wrote: Starcraft is a strategy game, sOs using ingenius strategies to win isn't gimmicky... during the entire series, he went for one all-in, the rest of the games were just filled with brilliant pressure and mind-gaming. Sure, the immortal build depended on it being scouted or not, but sOs strength is his ability to send one type of signals to his opponent, making him feel comfortable and then doing the opposite of what he expects, executing this with epic micro and mechanics. What differentiates sOs from Dear is that he doesn't rely on reaching that huge army and beating down enemies through sheer strength and army control, rather than getting them uncomfortable and forcing them to make mistakes. Personally, I love watching this style because it's as far as you can get from the deathball style of protoss. I really hope this tournament means that sOs has reinvented the protoss race once more, because this was a brilliant display of awesomeness! Actually he harasses with suicidal Zealots, but even he tries to hit the average Protoss 200/200 timing push... Really hoped for JD to win after all Terrans were out, but in sOs we have another good example of Protosses using their potential well... Which will hopefully soon result in a nerf to something about P... | ||
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
I feel this is the right guy to keep SC2 interesting for fans of all levels, and not just masters/diamond players who love standard to be played over and over. This is why BW fans cheered so hard when Fantasy beat Stork in the OSL with 3 unorthodox anti-standard snipe builds | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On November 10 2013 19:08 Creager wrote: Actually he harasses with suicidal Zealots, but even he tries to hit the average Protoss 200/200 timing push... Really hoped for JD to win after all Terrans were out, but in sOs we have another good example of Protosses using their potential well... Which will hopefully soon result in a nerf to something about P... Yay let's be an idiot and do thinly disguised balance whine. He doesn't only harass with suicidal zealots. That's a TACTIC. Selecting your build is STRATEGY, which sOs is very good at doing. In case you haven't noticed, the builds he selects wins him games more often than not. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Congrats to sOs anyways. I'm sometimes a fair guy. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On November 10 2013 13:35 Master Blaster wrote: Did anyone predict SOS for the win?? Amazing how some of the favourites bowed out early. That being said its an amazing feat to have even represented in the top 16. There were 37 votes for him in the Day 1 thread (1%). I also believe Rotterdam predicted him to win or at least make the final | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On November 10 2013 18:26 KivTM wrote: I don't call the finals lame because JD lost. I call them lame because of the way he lost. If you guys prefer to watch games where the winner is decided by whether or not his build gets scouted, then that's fine. I on the other hand prefer games like game 4 of JD vs Maru where games are decided more by tactics and less by strategy. SoS beat JD strategically and tactically. It wasn't decided by whether a build gets scouted or not. Game 1 was JD's to lose. That cannon rush was inconsequential. He should have kept denying the 4th instead of letting SoS mass up. That Utra switch should have killed SoS but I think JD was dead set on faking ultras, letting Sos overcommit on ultra counters and then switching quickly to mutas. There was a point where SoS wasn't actually ready for Ultras but ready for mutas. Game 2, JD spotted the cannon rush so he wasn't caught off guard, he just didn't respond to it correctly. Even after that the response to go corrupters and zerglings vs zealot + phoenix wasn't correct either. Game 3, not scouting the hidden expansion could have been a problem but JD won anyway. Game 4, robo was scouted. But the fact that the warp prism instead of an immortal came out confused the hell out of JD. Again JD has scouted what was going on, he just didn't respond correctly. Game 5, gateway opening for the first time. JD was on auto pilot and played as if it was against a forge or fast nexus expand. He had 2 zerglings at the front of Sos's base and he still let the probe through. Poor response to the gateway expand and poor map awareness. Zealots wreak havoc, that's not so bad. What was just poor play was the fact that JD didn't search for that hidden pylon after he had cleared the zealots. In Maru vs JD, they both tried to outsmart each other but neither managed to do so. At every stage, they both knew what the correct response should be. But in SoS vs JD, JD just had no answer. It's like a chess program. A program may appear smart but all it actually does is look through it's database to find the appropriate response. There's no clever thinking involved, it's just following a flow chart. That's the problem with JD, he looked through his database, found no entry and could not formulate a response. SoS beat the JD program. That's why I think people should appreciate SoS's play. He's the guy with the real "human" intelligence. Out of all the players playing in SC2 right now, if you were to nominate one of them to go against a really smart AI equipped with databases filled with replays of top players, it has to be SoS. The fact that he manages to find something different when people think that the game is at the stage where everything has been figured out is amazing. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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GreenFate
France289 Posts
On November 10 2013 12:07 SnuggleZhenya wrote: PvZ is just a terrible matchup for spectator experience in my opinion. Currently the best in my opinion. What's better, constant doom drop in PvT ? Biomine TvZ ? | ||
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
But Against sOs he lost at least 2 maps that he "should" had won. The first one was Akilon. He picked the worst army composition to attack a turtle protoss and just made the wrong decisions during the entire match. And the second one was Polar Night. That build by sOs is not particular powerful (if scouted) and Jaedong scouted the absence of gas on the main early enough to prepare for it. He played greedy and because of that lost it. | ||
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
Nevertheless GG sOs! He really outplayed Jaedong. | ||
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DocLaGnole
9 Posts
On November 10 2013 19:19 kheldorin wrote: SoS beat JD strategically and tactically. It wasn't decided by whether a build gets scouted or not. Game 1 was JD's to lose. That cannon rush was inconsequential. He should have kept denying the 4th instead of letting SoS mass up. That Utra switch should have killed SoS but I think JD was dead set on faking ultras, letting Sos overcommit on ultra counters and then switching quickly to mutas. There was a point where SoS wasn't actually ready for Ultras but ready for mutas. Game 2, JD spotted the cannon rush so he wasn't caught off guard, he just didn't respond to it correctly. Even after that the response to go corrupters and zerglings vs zealot + phoenix wasn't correct either. Game 3, not scouting the hidden expansion could have been a problem but JD won anyway. Game 4, robo was scouted. But the fact that the warp prism instead of an immortal came out confused the hell out of JD. Again JD has scouted what was going on, he just didn't respond correctly. Game 5, gateway opening for the first time. JD was on auto pilot and played as if it was against a forge or fast nexus expand. He had 2 zerglings at the front of Sos's base and he still let the probe through. Poor response to the gateway expand and poor map awareness. Zealots wreak havoc, that's not so bad. What was just poor play was the fact that JD didn't search for that hidden pylon after he had cleared the zealots. In Maru vs JD, they both tried to outsmart each other but neither managed to do so. At every stage, they both knew what the correct response should be. But in SoS vs JD, JD just had no answer. It's like a chess program. A program may appear smart but all it actually does is look through it's database to find the appropriate response. There's no clever thinking involved, it's just following a flow chart. That's the problem with JD, he looked through his database, found no entry and could not formulate a response. SoS beat the JD program. That's why I think people should appreciate SoS's play. He's the guy with the real "human" intelligence. Out of all the players playing in SC2 right now, if you were to nominate one of them to go against a really smart AI equipped with databases filled with replays of top players, it has to be SoS. The fact that he manages to find something different when people think that the game is at the stage where everything has been figured out is amazing. It's clear we did not watched the same games. | ||
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
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HooiFork
Netherlands27 Posts
Saying this series was boring and such. Your really undermining the epicness of this finals. Every game was totally different. Just for context, im a zerg, and wouldnt have minded JD winning, but sOs just did the mindgames perfectly. ZvP used to be my most boring MU. Just cause of the same style every time. Now one person comes up this year and showcases every new build in excistance, from voidray zealot PvZ to templar chargelot in PvT. And you call him a boring cheeser. WTF is wrong with you guys? Furthermore saying he stole the title. i dont know but he only beat champions on his way to the finals, with only 3-0 or 3-1. The series with bomber wasnt even close either, and not because of bomber's law, but just because sOs outplayed him hard. starting 2-2, charge And storm on derelict watcher while only have 2 zealots and a sentry? Balls of steel man. sOs didnt just beat jaedong, he beat the meta in all matchups, and not just, but he Crushed the meta. This guy is the most deserving champion of this year, in the most appealing tournament of this year. Noone else wouldve been a better champ then sOs if you spealk about deserving it. Like it or not. sOs might've crushed all your fanboi dreams, but he is just the best player of 2013. Deal with it and give him the credit he deserves. Or do you prefer to act like a 12yo kid who's candy got taken away ? If yes. i understand why u cant deal with sOs winning cause apparently you cant seem to figure how brilliant he actually is. | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On November 10 2013 19:19 kheldorin wrote: SoS beat JD strategically and tactically. It wasn't decided by whether a build gets scouted or not. Game 1 was JD's to lose. That cannon rush was inconsequential. He should have kept denying the 4th instead of letting SoS mass up. That Utra switch should have killed SoS but I think JD was dead set on faking ultras, letting Sos overcommit on ultra counters and then switching quickly to mutas. There was a point where SoS wasn't actually ready for Ultras but ready for mutas. Game 2, JD spotted the cannon rush so he wasn't caught off guard, he just didn't respond to it correctly. Even after that the response to go corrupters and zerglings vs zealot + phoenix wasn't correct either. Game 3, not scouting the hidden expansion could have been a problem but JD won anyway. Game 4, robo was scouted. But the fact that the warp prism instead of an immortal came out confused the hell out of JD. Again JD has scouted what was going on, he just didn't respond correctly. Game 5, gateway opening for the first time. JD was on auto pilot and played as if it was against a forge or fast nexus expand. He had 2 zerglings at the front of Sos's base and he still let the probe through. Poor response to the gateway expand and poor map awareness. Zealots wreak havoc, that's not so bad. What was just poor play was the fact that JD didn't search for that hidden pylon after he had cleared the zealots. In Maru vs JD, they both tried to outsmart each other but neither managed to do so. At every stage, they both knew what the correct response should be. But in SoS vs JD, JD just had no answer. It's like a chess program. A program may appear smart but all it actually does is look through it's database to find the appropriate response. There's no clever thinking involved, it's just following a flow chart. That's the problem with JD, he looked through his database, found no entry and could not formulate a response. SoS beat the JD program. That's why I think people should appreciate SoS's play. He's the guy with the real "human" intelligence. Out of all the players playing in SC2 right now, if you were to nominate one of them to go against a really smart AI equipped with databases filled with replays of top players, it has to be SoS. The fact that he manages to find something different when people think that the game is at the stage where everything has been figured out is amazing. Yeah, would've been much better series if JD won game 1.. What ended up by "faking" (I mean come on - faking with 15 Ultras ??) Ultras is that he ended up having 90 supply "dead" and didn't have enough left to respond to the warp-prism drop in main.. rofl.. And even when sOs moved out - JD should've fought instead going for the "base race", which this time wasn't the JD's choice, but sOs's instead.. The base-race ended because JD didn't have the army to fight sOs and was actually afraid to "engage".. Funny thing is that even with that - even after saccing the Ultras he could've made 40 Mutas right after that, but he didn't and sOs smartly killed not only Hatches, but the Larva as well..  | ||
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
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fx9
117 Posts
suicide lings=good strategy suicide zealots=balance whine, OP toss fyi, both are the only mineral dump for respective races | ||
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