EPTQuestion: Does anyone know if a Blizzcon interview of JD exists after his second-place finish? Curious.
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Nopeudon
172 Posts
Question: Does anyone know if a Blizzcon interview of JD exists after his second-place finish? Curious. Thanks! | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On November 10 2013 21:37 Nopeudon wrote: Yeah, sOs deserved the win, though whether or not that cements his position as 'best player' is still in question. Kind of sad to see the Dong lose it like that, but oh well... I also really like the first-person-view perspectives given through the competition, thought it was a nice touch. Question: Does anyone know if a Blizzcon interview of JD exists after his second-place finish? Curious. Thanks! I like how Dear put it (from Waxangel twitter) : I think dear said it best, "I don't know about any other day, but tonight I'm the champion of the world." | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On November 10 2013 20:04 shadymmj wrote: I foresaw this problem a long time ago. jaedong was the "people's champion", but honestly the guy has done very very well and second place is still a great achievement. of course, that makes Shy the supreme master of sc2, except nobody thinks so because of the way he won. Still, there's probably no excuse to NOT expect cheese from him if you have studied him at all. The trouble is that Shy is not a very popular player with a consistent string of results. He's probably about average in terms of fanbase. He's brilliant but irregular, and in this tournament he was the former. Of course I also think he's actually a very innovative player and deserving of the title, but that isn't really the point. The point is that this "grand final" answered no questions. No one thinks Shy isn't unbeatable, least of all me. He doesn't have the "aura" of invincibility or the statistics that elevate him to a S-class player. In fact many people still think Dear is better than him. So what's the point of winning (other than cash goodies) if people won't even acknowledge you as the best? You will never become a legend like that. Either people have to acknowledge him as THE BEST player of recent times (i hesitate to use the bonjwa term, but really that is what people are looking for), or we will have to find a new way of running this thing. Soo... JD baneling bust Maru 2 (or was 3 games?) isnt chesee ? If JD had won he would be the best player but since the winner is sOs he is not ? Such a biased and whine comment, even if JD had won he still can be beat, he will not have that "aura of invincibility", he is is among the best Zergs nowadays, but i dont think he is THE best (and for the record, what the hell is the best? how can you even decide that?), tournaments are about the 2 days not who is the best in the last 2 months, sOs was the best this weekend, i mean... his worst match up was PvT and he destroyed Polt and Bomber, against HerO you could see right from the first game that he had won and JD NEVER had a chance to win the games "So what's the point of winning (other than cash goodies) if people won't even acknowledge you as the best?" I dont know about you but i do think he is the best, at least right now (he just won the most important SC2 tournament) and i said a long time ago, sOs is the best protoss player for quite some time, maybe not in results, but in overall And by the way, why did JD won all his tournaments back in the day ? What was the point of him winning if people wont even acknowledge him as the best ? He had to win those tournaments, theres NO OTHER WAY to make a name for yourself if you dont do it sOs deserved that win more than JD, why? Because he dominated him the entire match he was the better player in that night, even the game he lost, because JD took a gamble with the mutas that work, otherwise with the hidden expansion things would not go as good for JD | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 10 2013 19:31 Zygno wrote: I will never forget Game 4 between JD and Maru from the Dong's POV. SO FUCKIN' GOOD Nevertheless GG sOs! He really outplayed Jaedong. Yeah, that was the fasted pov I've ever seen. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
you think he is the best now. excellent, but how many people actually think that he's the best player right now? how about recently? "maybe not in results, but in overall", i don't know what this disclaimer is supposed to mean. If you look at the thread below this one, you will see that significantly more people think that Dear is still better than Shy. Furthermore, it's not exactly, er...meaningful if you're the best for a month or two. i guess that my main point should be that if you won a grand final, your position should not again be in dispute 1 week, 1 month, or even 3 months after. maybe we can draw parallels to the World chess championship currently going on simultaneously. whoever wins is going to be recognised as undisputed for quite a while. if you have a new champion every 1-2 months, it gets harder to become a legend and establish a large fanbase. therefore either people should be more accepting of Shy as Sc2 champ of 2013 or something else has to change. | ||
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Ingsoc
59 Posts
Edit: And this On November 10 2013 22:02 shadymmj wrote: your problem starts off by thinking i am a whining JD fan. if you actually look at my team logo and read my post history you would have guessed that i am really a flash fan, therefore i consider myself to be impartial in this case. i am not talking about who should win or who should have won, and using what strategy. Shy won, the end. you think he is the best now. excellent, but how many people actually think that he's the best player right now? how about recently? "maybe not in results, but in overall", i don't know what this disclaimer is supposed to mean. If you look at the thread below this one, you will see that significantly more people think that Dear is still better than Shy. Furthermore, it's not exactly, er...meaningful if you're the best for a month or two. i guess that my main point should be that if you won a grand final, your position should not again be in dispute 1 week, 1 month, or even 3 months after. maybe we can draw parallels to the World chess championship currently going on simultaneously. whoever wins is going to be recognised as undisputed for quite a while. if you have a new champion every 1-2 months, it gets harder to become a legend and establish a large fanbase. therefore either people should be more accepting of Shy as Sc2 champ of 2013 or something else has to change. And I think this is very interesting. Might be unfortunate. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:02 shadymmj wrote: your problem starts off by thinking i am a whining JD fan. if you actually look at my team logo and read my post history you would have guessed that i am really a flash fan, therefore i consider myself to be impartial in this case. i am not talking about who should win or who should have won, and using what strategy. Shy won, the end. you think he is the best now. excellent, but how many people actually think that he's the best player right now? how about recently? "maybe not in results, but in overall", i don't know what this disclaimer is supposed to mean. If you look at the thread below this one, you will see that significantly more people think that Dear is still better than Shy. Furthermore, it's not exactly, er...meaningful if you're the best for a month or two. i guess that my main point should be that if you won a grand final, your position should not again be in dispute 1 week, 1 month, or even 3 months after. maybe we can draw parallels to the World chess championship currently going on simultaneously. whoever wins is going to be recognised as undisputed for quite a while. if you have a new champion every 1-2 months, it gets harder to become a legend and establish a large fanbase. therefore either people should be more accepting of Shy as Sc2 champ of 2013 or something else has to change. Ill take a lot of great players that can beat each other in every tournament over just 1 single guy winning everything, the way you put it its that you preffer watching just 1 guy wrecking everyone (like MVP did in 2011 and MC at some point) than a A LOT of great players that given the chance can beat each other and make sc2 a more dynamic game | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:03 Ingsoc wrote: sOs outplayed Jaedong, with some really surprising and effective moves. I still think Jaedong's the better player though. Does this make me salty? No, nothing wrong with that. sOs was the better player in that bo7, he outplayed and outsmarted him hard. I still think Jaedong would win in a bo101 pretty damn hard, but that's the weakness of Protoss in general. Didn't Bisu say something about playing Jaedong for the first time and he won 3-0 or something. Then he thought that Jaedong was overrated and proceeded to lose the next 10 maps convincingly. | ||
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Ingsoc
59 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:10 Musicus wrote: No, nothing wrong with that. sOs was the better player in that bo7, he outplayed and outsmarted him hard. I still think Jaedong would win in a bo101 pretty damn hard, but that's the weakness of Protoss in general. Didn't Bisu say something about playing Jaedong for the first time and he won 3-0 or something. Then he thought that Jaedong was overrated and proceeded to lose the next 10 maps convincingly. Yeah. I just hope there wouldn't be so much toxicity around here. JD Fans giving absolutely uncalled for comments about sOs and his effort. And the other way around from people towards JD Fans, whining and nonwhining ones, with remarks such as tears, salty, etc arguments. Complete bullshit. Some people really should man up but baiting out this shit won't make it any easier for people to appreciate sOs as champion. | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1218 Posts
- Awesome finals and a great final series between two worthy players. sOs clearly had the edge and deserved the win - One more player added to the growing list of Protoss players worth watching - The in-eyes cam was an awesome addition that really added another dimension to the viewer experience. Really enjoyed watching some of the games from this perspective, although the speed did make my head hurt a bit at times (propably also related to me getting old and having a bad cold The downside: - JD played such a great tournament and would have been nice to see him finally take that trophy! Next time. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:10 Musicus wrote: No, nothing wrong with that. sOs was the better player in that bo7, he outplayed and outsmarted him hard. I still think Jaedong would win in a bo101 pretty damn hard, but that's the weakness of Protoss in general. Didn't Bisu say something about playing Jaedong for the first time and he won 3-0 or something. Then he thought that Jaedong was overrated and proceeded to lose the next 10 maps convincingly. all that Bo101 stuff is just a theory that doesnt have any base, the better player should be able to win a Bo1, a Bo3, a Bo5 or a Bo69, maybe JD can win a Bo101, but sOs no ? For example, Bo7 are WAY different than Bo3, players are getting tired, are going "mad" if things doesnt go in their way, they can get overconfident, etc... in a Bo3 if you are losing 1-0 you either go and win the next 2 or you are out, in a Bo7 you need to be 3-0 down to be in match point, going 1-0 in a Bo7 its nowhere near going 1-0 in a Bo3 Assuming that a Bo101 is all about skills is just wrong, this game its A LOT more than just micro, macro and mind games... even jet lag can affect your gameplay | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:02 shadymmj wrote: your problem starts off by thinking i am a whining JD fan. if you actually look at my team logo and read my post history you would have guessed that i am really a flash fan, therefore i consider myself to be impartial in this case. i am not talking about who should win or who should have won, and using what strategy. Shy won, the end. you think he is the best now. excellent, but how many people actually think that he's the best player right now? how about recently? "maybe not in results, but in overall", i don't know what this disclaimer is supposed to mean. If you look at the thread below this one, you will see that significantly more people think that Dear is still better than Shy. Furthermore, it's not exactly, er...meaningful if you're the best for a month or two. i guess that my main point should be that if you won a grand final, your position should not again be in dispute 1 week, 1 month, or even 3 months after. maybe we can draw parallels to the World chess championship currently going on simultaneously. whoever wins is going to be recognised as undisputed for quite a while. if you have a new champion every 1-2 months, it gets harder to become a legend and establish a large fanbase. therefore either people should be more accepting of Shy as Sc2 champ of 2013 or something else has to change. er nope, if Anand beats Carlsen, no-one's going to argue he's the undisputed best player in the world. Similar to when Kasparov lost his title to Kramnik in the World champs, Kasparov was still widely considered the best player in the world. | ||
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monsta
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AnYvia
Bulgaria474 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On November 10 2013 20:04 shadymmj wrote: I foresaw this problem a long time ago. jaedong was the "people's champion", but honestly the guy has done very very well and second place is still a great achievement. of course, that makes Shy the supreme master of sc2, except nobody thinks so because of the way he won. Still, there's probably no excuse to NOT expect cheese from him if you have studied him at all. The trouble is that Shy is not a very popular player with a consistent string of results. He's probably about average in terms of fanbase. He's brilliant but irregular, and in this tournament he was the former. Of course I also think he's actually a very innovative player and deserving of the title, but that isn't really the point. The point is that this "grand final" answered no questions. No one thinks Shy isn't unbeatable, least of all me. He doesn't have the "aura" of invincibility or the statistics that elevate him to a S-class player. In fact many people still think Dear is better than him. So what's the point of winning (other than cash goodies) if people won't even acknowledge you as the best? You will never become a legend like that. Either people have to acknowledge him as THE BEST player of recent times (i hesitate to use the bonjwa term, but really that is what people are looking for), or we will have to find a new way of running this thing. wow the amount of ignorance in this post is mindblowing sHy without consistent string of results? Instrumental player in year-long SPL's campaign, various high finishes in KR, 2nd in the first WCS Jaedong? free ride to the finals for playing NA and DH. Yeah North America and Dreamhack, and he didnt even win shit. Funny how people doubt Dear or sOs who have been posting strong results all year long in the hardest competitions instead of someone who happened to have an insane weekend. I would consider this a fairy tale if Jaedong wins actually I have flashback to the Super Tournament when Polt rolfstomped and laughed on fanboy tears with $100K. The point of winning is getting top money and having your name with a gold medal icon in liquidpedia. Goodluck become a legendary kong. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:16 Faruko wrote: all that Bo101 stuff is just a theory that doesnt have any base, the better player should be able to win a Bo1, a Bo3, a Bo5 or a Bo69, maybe JD can win a Bo101, but sOs no ? For example, Bo7 are WAY different than Bo3, players are getting tired, are going "mad" if things doesnt go in their way, they can get overconfident, etc... in a Bo3 if you are losing 1-0 you either go and win the next 2 or you are out, in a Bo7 you need to be 3-0 down to be in match point, going 1-0 in a Bo7 its nowhere near going 1-0 in a Bo3 Assuming that a Bo101 is all about skills is just wrong, this game its A LOT more than just micro, macro and mind games... even jet lag can affect your gameplay I agree with all of it. There is much more to the game than pure, raw mechanics and skill. Planning the series, dealing with jetlag etc.. sOs won and deserves it. I still think theoretical thoughts like 2 players in a room, playing a bo101 without ever getting tired is fun. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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GunLove
Netherlands105 Posts
A bit sad that this is how I will remember Blizzcon 2013  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:10 Musicus wrote: No, nothing wrong with that. sOs was the better player in that bo7, he outplayed and outsmarted him hard. I still think Jaedong would win in a bo101 pretty damn hard, but that's the weakness of Protoss in general. Didn't Bisu say something about playing Jaedong for the first time and he won 3-0 or something. Then he thought that Jaedong was overrated and proceeded to lose the next 10 maps convincingly. You guys are so funny. On November 10 2013 22:37 Arceus wrote: wow the amount of ignorance in this post is mindblowing sHy without consistent string of results? Instrumental player in year-long SPL's campaign, various high finishes in KR, 2nd in the first WCS Jaedong? free ride to the finals for playing NA and DH. Yeah North America and Dreamhack, and he didnt even win shit. Funny how people doubt Dear or sOs who have been posting strong results all year long in the hardest competitions instead of someone who happened to have an insane weekend. I would consider this a fairy tale if Jaedong wins actually I have flashback to the Super Tournament when Polt rolfstomped and laughed on fanboy tears with $100K. The point of winning is getting top money and having your name with a gold medal icon in liquidpedia. Goodluck become a legendary kong. Considering sHy is the guy that most protoss players today get their inspiration from including Dear. Does it really sound that baffling? The guy has balls of steel. | ||
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