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She doesn't like video games at all and hates the fact that I play them T.TAnna Prosser-Robinson Talks about Women & Gaming - Page 5
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
She doesn't like video games at all and hates the fact that I play them T.T | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
No SC2 figure has to express their masculinity. He has to be good or entertaining. On November 08 2013 00:27 Lorch wrote: "attractively feminine " + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i1.wp.com/bryanbabich.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DSC_1185.jpg) I lol'd. Either way I feel like we should just let female gamers be female gamers and treat them like we'd treat any male gamer (though that'll never happen). I find weird he don't have any steelseries promo pics of a shirtless or tank top / muscle shirt Incontrol would be a "10/10 will buy steelseries gear", and I'm not even homo. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On November 08 2013 02:39 Thrill wrote: Sigh. I'm so disappointed in how this entire thing has been handled. Sjokz is the perfect role model for excellence. It was a genius move to try and make Smix the "SC2 Sjokz" but terribly mishandled by ESL and in general too much pressure was put on her from the start. Sjokz had a chance to grow from the comfort of the small studio environment, Smix was expected to instantly be at Iron Squid level. Disappointed in Anna for not recognizing female hosting in eSports done right when there's an active example of it out there already. Is this guy serious?? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:07 JP Dayne wrote: Anna's argument makes no sense No SC2 figure has to express their masculinity. He has to be good or entertaining. Tell me a male SC2 figure that has become popular by being feminine. Part of patriarchy is seeing men/women act masculine and thinking that that is "normal" while seeing a man/woman acting feminine as being outside of normal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Serious enough to make a dumb post about an interview that never went close to the topic he is disappointed Anna missed. But this is a thread about women in Esports, to the quality of dumb posts is going to be through the roof. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
but can we get some pro gamer girls? | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:16 Thieving Magpie wrote: Tell me a male SC2 figure that has become popular by being feminine. Part of patriarchy is seeing men/women act masculine and thinking that that is "normal" while seeing a man/woman acting feminine as being outside of normal. I have no idea what you're talking about, or replying me for. but whenever I read "patriarchy" I cringe, please don't type that anymore. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:22 JP Dayne wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, or replying me for. but whenever I read "patriarchy" I cringe, please don't type that anymore. You asked "what male sc2 figure has to show his masculinity" and I replied that almost no male sc2 figure has gotten popular for being feminine (save for Scarlett, and only on the technicality that she is a woman first and male 2nd). Why? Because they are showing their masculinity. To think that men showing their masculinity is them being "good and entertaining" IS THE PROBLEM BEING PRESENTED. So stop dodging the question. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
I am however amazed at how this is a topic of discussion at all when "hosting done right" is already in play by Riot. I'm sure Anna would make a great host of WCG Ultimate Gamer or a similar show, but as far as eSports hosting goes she's always felt like an outsider. She seems more passionate about gaming than eSports. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:22 JP Dayne wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, or replying me for. but whenever I read "patriarchy" I cringe, please don't type that anymore. What bothers you about the word patriarchy? Does the use of the word patriarchy in discussions about a male dominated hobby bother you? Does the idea that a patriarchy might exits or that men have to deal with 10000% less creepy sexism than women upset you? Or do you just dislike the letters in patriarchy? After all, patriarchy is just a word. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
I enjoyed the interview. Much respect for Anna and what she does. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:20 JimSocks wrote: nothing wrong with being a manager. but can we get some pro gamer girls? It's not exactly a commodity we can manufacture. Also as a side not because I'm too lazy to make more posts, it annoys the fuck out of me when people say stuff like "we need more female casters and players" because it would make the community more diverse or some trite shit like that. No we don't, we need more good casters(as in really need) and more good players(we're pretty set on this end). I don't care about someone's genitalia if they can't perform. People mention Scarlett all the time as if her gender identity had some major impact on her popularity, newsflash, if she was getting stomped out in the Ro32 in challenger league every tournament, no one would give two shits about her. She is one of two non koreans who can regularly compete with and even beat high level koreans, that's the key thing here. We HAVE female pro gamers, Maddelisk, Kaitlyn are the ones I can name just off the top of my head, and how much buzz do they generate? Zero, because they have not produced any kind of results yet. This is a good thing. What you are really saying is that we need pro gamer girls who are Blizzcon material, but why is that the case? Asking for more female pro gamers just for the sake of some weird, artificial gender balance in the pro scene is basically asking for mascots. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:27 Thieving Magpie wrote: You asked "what male sc2 figure has to show his masculinity" and I replied that almost no male sc2 figure has gotten popular for being feminine (save for Scarlett, and only on the technicality that she is a woman first and male 2nd). Why? Because they are showing their masculinity. To think that men showing their masculinity is them being "good and entertaining" IS THE PROBLEM BEING PRESENTED. So stop dodging the question. I-I didn't say any of that, dude, you completely misread my post we don't need to men show mascuinity or femininity, or women to show femininity or masculinity in esports men and women should be judged if they're good or entertaining | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:57 Squat wrote: It's not exactly a commodity we can manufacture. Also as a side not because I'm too lazy to make more posts, it annoys the fuck out of me when people say stuff like "we need more female casters and players" because it would make the community more diverse or some trite shit like that. No we don't, we need more good casters(as in really need) and more good players(we're pretty set on this end). I don't care about someone's genitalia if they can't perform. People mention Scarlett all the time as if her gender identity had some major impact on her popularity, newsflash, if she was getting stomped out in the Ro32 in challenger league every tournament, no one would give two shits about her. She is one of two non koreans who can regularly compete with and even beat high level koreans, that's the key thing here. We HAVE female pro gamers, Maddelisk, Kaitlyn are the one's I can name just off the top of my head, and how much buzz do they generate? Zero, because they have not produced any kind of results yet. This is a good thing. What you are really saying is that we need pro gamer girls who are Blizzcon material, but why is that the case? Asking for more female pro gamers just for the sake of some weird, artificial gender balance in the pro scene is basically asking for mascots. Scarlett is actually a good example of the problem--being that many people blame her genetalia for her wins and not her talent. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:30 Plansix wrote: What bothers you about the word patriarchy? Does the use of the word patriarchy in discussions about a male dominated hobby bother you? Does the idea that a patriarchy might exits or that men have to deal with 10000% less creepy sexism than women upset you? Or do you just dislike the letters in patriarchy? After all, patriarchy is just a word. baiting me this hard, you sure seem to grasp for attention. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:58 JP Dayne wrote: I-I didn't say any of that, dude, you completely misread my post we don't need to men show mascuinity or femininity, or women to show femininity or masculinity in esports men and women should be judged if they're good or entertaining You said, "No SC2 figure has to express their masculinity" This is false, almost all male SC2 players express their masculinity, and because of that they get popular. MC Naniwa Huk Idra Destiny etc... Many male SC2 figures are popular because of their masculinity. I then countered by asking what males have gotten popular by being feminine. You dodged the question. You associate being masculine with being good--hence why you dodged the question. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:00 JP Dayne wrote: baiting me this hard, you sure seem to grasp for attention. You say "whenever I read "patriarchy" I cringe" He's asking you why you're cringing at a word. How is that baiting? Its just a word that somehow offends you. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:59 Thieving Magpie wrote: Scarlett is actually a good example of the problem--being that many people blame her genetalia for her wins and not her talent. I don't quite understand this, blaming her genitalia? How would that affect anything in game at all? Is it insinuated that she is cheating somehow? I mean, winning is winning right? Or maybe that her (male) opponents are going easy on her somehow? Any one them sound stupid enough on its own tbh. | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:03 Thieving Magpie wrote: You said, "No SC2 figure has to express their masculinity" This is false, almost all male SC2 players express their masculinity, and because of that they get popular. MC Naniwa Huk Idra Destiny etc... Many male SC2 figures are popular because of their masculinity. I then countered by asking what males have gotten popular by being feminine. You dodged the question. You associate being masculine with being good--hence why you dodged the question. Can you provide an example of each of those players listed? I'm not really following your argument here. | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
On November 08 2013 03:16 Thieving Magpie wrote: Tell me a male SC2 figure that has become popular by being feminine. Part of patriarchy is seeing men/women act masculine and thinking that that is "normal" while seeing a man/woman acting feminine as being outside of normal. Scarlett. User was warned for this post | ||
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