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On November 07 2013 11:03 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 08:59 Qwyn wrote:On November 07 2013 08:44 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 07 2013 08:38 Salient wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to interview a woman who is an actual professional gamer instead of just team-house mom? Maybe interview someone like QueenE instead? Maybe you should stop disrespecting someone trying to be part of the community? Not trying. Is. A very well respected person who is much loved in this community. Just so. I'm looking even in this thread at TL members who signed up in 2011 to 2013 critiquing the choice to interview a member of TL from 2006.
I forward the motion that any TL member who signed up in 2006 and earlier be referred to as 'Senpai' by members who have signed up after. Any disrespect to a Senpai should be punished with an instant ban, followed up by real life ritual suicide. BANZAI!!
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On November 07 2013 11:11 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 11:07 qotsager wrote:On November 07 2013 10:54 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 10:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 07 2013 10:32 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 08:41 Sunfish wrote:On November 07 2013 08:38 Salient wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to interview a woman who is an actual professional gamer instead of just team-house mom? Maybe interview someone like QueenE instead? I recommend you read the rest of the interview. She talks about exactly that perception and what her actual work involves. I'd love to speak with a female progamer. If there's enough interest, I'm hoping to someday moderate a discussion between women in eSports (a player, a host, a behind the scenes type, a developer, w/e). That will have to wait a while though. I honestly don't think our community can handle that discussion yet. I just think an interview with a female professional gamer would be infinitely more interesting than an interview with a non-gaming employee of EG who happens to be female -- when the topic is women in gaming. Of course, EG is not a team that has female players, so you would have to look elsewhere. So because she isn't a player the interview isn't worth while? Anna does quite a bit in esports, whether it be behind the scenes with EG or her hosting events. She is more than qualified to talk about women in esports because esports is more than just the people playing the games. And EG does have a female player. Look up Chocoblanka. So maybe they should interview Chocoblanka? Why interview a staff worker instead of her? did you read the entire interview? this is part of a series meant to get the "behind the scenes" staff some exposure. not an interview exclusively focusing on women in esports (which still would make anna an expert on the matter). if the interview's topic was something along the lines of "being a female pro gamer" i would kind of see your point. but it's not. The interviewer created this thread, which he entited: Anna Prosser-Robinson Talks about Women & Gaming. It's pretty clear what his focus was . . .
and never ever has a magazine/newspaper/website used a specifically interesting or ambivalent topic or statement from an interview to promote said interview, even though it may only make up a small part of the conversation with the interviewee.
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On November 07 2013 11:14 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 10:43 Salient wrote:
The topic is supposed to be women in gaming. Anna was no doubt iinterviewed on this topic because she is a female who works for a gaming team. That's sensible to an extent. But ultimately her experience is limited to being a staff worker. Like someone who works in the Yankee clubhouse. Sure that person works for the Yankees, but she/he isn't a Yankee. I would prefer the insight of an actual player who happens to be female regarding women in gaming. Do not be obtuse and foolish about this. Would you be upset if TL interviewed Bumblebee? Enough to post multiple times in the thread? There is not a quota on interviews and people can interview who they please. If no-one cares, then the thread sinks like a rock, has no views, and has no comments. If people view and comment, then clearly it was an interview the community wanted. Let the free-market of forums take over. We don't need a council of upset forum posters arbitrating who can and cannot be interviewed.
I apologize for upsetting anyone, and for what it's worth I think the interview is very good. I was just trying to give constructive feedback so maybe the interviewer would consider doing a follow up with a female professional gamer.
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On November 07 2013 11:23 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 11:14 Falling wrote:On November 07 2013 10:43 Salient wrote:
The topic is supposed to be women in gaming. Anna was no doubt iinterviewed on this topic because she is a female who works for a gaming team. That's sensible to an extent. But ultimately her experience is limited to being a staff worker. Like someone who works in the Yankee clubhouse. Sure that person works for the Yankees, but she/he isn't a Yankee. I would prefer the insight of an actual player who happens to be female regarding women in gaming. Do not be obtuse and foolish about this. Would you be upset if TL interviewed Bumblebee? Enough to post multiple times in the thread? There is not a quota on interviews and people can interview who they please. If no-one cares, then the thread sinks like a rock, has no views, and has no comments. If people view and comment, then clearly it was an interview the community wanted. Let the free-market of forums take over. We don't need a council of upset forum posters arbitrating who can and cannot be interviewed. I apologize for upsetting anyone, and for what it's worth I think the interview is very good. I was just trying to give constructive feedback so maybe the interviewer would consider doing a follow up with a female professional gamer.
Oh hey. A reasonable person. Yay! I understand where you are coming from, but do understand that based on similar threads this sort of constructive feedback on these sorts of threads quickly pick up steam and turn into the Hate Train.
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On November 07 2013 11:23 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 11:14 Falling wrote:On November 07 2013 10:43 Salient wrote:
The topic is supposed to be women in gaming. Anna was no doubt iinterviewed on this topic because she is a female who works for a gaming team. That's sensible to an extent. But ultimately her experience is limited to being a staff worker. Like someone who works in the Yankee clubhouse. Sure that person works for the Yankees, but she/he isn't a Yankee. I would prefer the insight of an actual player who happens to be female regarding women in gaming. Do not be obtuse and foolish about this. Would you be upset if TL interviewed Bumblebee? Enough to post multiple times in the thread? There is not a quota on interviews and people can interview who they please. If no-one cares, then the thread sinks like a rock, has no views, and has no comments. If people view and comment, then clearly it was an interview the community wanted. Let the free-market of forums take over. We don't need a council of upset forum posters arbitrating who can and cannot be interviewed. I apologize for upsetting anyone, and for what it's worth I think the interview is very good. I was just trying to give constructive feedback so maybe the interviewer would consider doing a follow up with a female professional gamer.
He says: "Let the free-market of forums take over" and yet this is a grotesque contradiction to the reality of the situation. Every opinion that is not positive or supportive is shut down, the posters are either flamed or banned. This hardly is a representation of a Laissez-Faire system where individual liberty and tolerance of all creeds and opinions are paramount.
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Really good interview and an interesting insight into some of the behind the scenes work Anna does. As for the 'women in esports' crap, I'll just say that if we had more Annas, all the negativity surrounding girls in gaming would disappear. Funny how she married to Geoff, also a great representative. They need matching superhero costumes.
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Lol I didn't even know people complained about women wearing dresses in this community... truly wtf imo
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On November 07 2013 11:30 MrLightning wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 11:23 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 11:14 Falling wrote:On November 07 2013 10:43 Salient wrote:
The topic is supposed to be women in gaming. Anna was no doubt iinterviewed on this topic because she is a female who works for a gaming team. That's sensible to an extent. But ultimately her experience is limited to being a staff worker. Like someone who works in the Yankee clubhouse. Sure that person works for the Yankees, but she/he isn't a Yankee. I would prefer the insight of an actual player who happens to be female regarding women in gaming. Do not be obtuse and foolish about this. Would you be upset if TL interviewed Bumblebee? Enough to post multiple times in the thread? There is not a quota on interviews and people can interview who they please. If no-one cares, then the thread sinks like a rock, has no views, and has no comments. If people view and comment, then clearly it was an interview the community wanted. Let the free-market of forums take over. We don't need a council of upset forum posters arbitrating who can and cannot be interviewed. I apologize for upsetting anyone, and for what it's worth I think the interview is very good. I was just trying to give constructive feedback so maybe the interviewer would consider doing a follow up with a female professional gamer. He says: "Let the free-market of forums take over" and yet this is a grotesque contradiction to the reality of the situation. Every opinion that is not positive or supportive is shut down, the posters are either flamed or banned. This hardly is a representation of a Laissez-Faire system where individual liberty and tolerance of all creeds and opinions are paramount.
You realize we are not talking about the same thing? This negative discussion is not on the content of what she is saying, that is whether they agree or disagree with what she says. Rather, the negative discussion is whether there should be a discussion at all. It is an argument to silence an interview that the team thought would be relevant and to deny the ideas and opinions even from entering the metaphorical market in the first place. You're darn right I'll stand against the silencers- particularly if the interviewee in question is one of our own: a TL vet.
There are hundreds of interviews on TL that I do not care about. I do not go out of my way to post in each of them on how TL should not have a thread devoted to that individual. I just do not read it if I think it is irrelevant.
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On November 07 2013 11:30 MrLightning wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 11:23 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 11:14 Falling wrote:On November 07 2013 10:43 Salient wrote:
The topic is supposed to be women in gaming. Anna was no doubt iinterviewed on this topic because she is a female who works for a gaming team. That's sensible to an extent. But ultimately her experience is limited to being a staff worker. Like someone who works in the Yankee clubhouse. Sure that person works for the Yankees, but she/he isn't a Yankee. I would prefer the insight of an actual player who happens to be female regarding women in gaming. Do not be obtuse and foolish about this. Would you be upset if TL interviewed Bumblebee? Enough to post multiple times in the thread? There is not a quota on interviews and people can interview who they please. If no-one cares, then the thread sinks like a rock, has no views, and has no comments. If people view and comment, then clearly it was an interview the community wanted. Let the free-market of forums take over. We don't need a council of upset forum posters arbitrating who can and cannot be interviewed. I apologize for upsetting anyone, and for what it's worth I think the interview is very good. I was just trying to give constructive feedback so maybe the interviewer would consider doing a follow up with a female professional gamer. He says: "Let the free-market of forums take over" and yet this is a grotesque contradiction to the reality of the situation. Every opinion that is not positive or supportive is shut down, the posters are either flamed or banned. This hardly is a representation of a Laissez-Faire system where individual liberty and tolerance of all creeds and opinions are paramount.
There is a vast difference between "Everyone's opinion should be heard and evaluated" and "Anna Prosser-Robinson's opinion is weak because she's not a pro-gamer".
If he was critiquing her opinion, that would be another matter entirely. But he's brushing off her perspective because of who she is, with no apparent attention paid to any of the actual content in the interview.
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On November 07 2013 10:54 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 10:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 07 2013 10:32 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 08:41 Sunfish wrote:On November 07 2013 08:38 Salient wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to interview a woman who is an actual professional gamer instead of just team-house mom? Maybe interview someone like QueenE instead? I recommend you read the rest of the interview. She talks about exactly that perception and what her actual work involves. I'd love to speak with a female progamer. If there's enough interest, I'm hoping to someday moderate a discussion between women in eSports (a player, a host, a behind the scenes type, a developer, w/e). That will have to wait a while though. I honestly don't think our community can handle that discussion yet. I just think an interview with a female professional gamer would be infinitely more interesting than an interview with a non-gaming employee of EG who happens to be female -- when the topic is women in gaming. Of course, EG is not a team that has female players, so you would have to look elsewhere. So because she isn't a player the interview isn't worth while? Anna does quite a bit in esports, whether it be behind the scenes with EG or her hosting events. She is more than qualified to talk about women in esports because esports is more than just the people playing the games. And EG does have a female player. Look up Chocoblanka. So maybe they should interview Chocoblanka? Why interview a staff worker instead of her?
Trying this post again. This interview is part of a larger series in which I interview people working on the staff side of EG. I respect your point, but I would counter that I never billed this as or intended this as an interview with a professional female gamer. Anna works in eSports and she is as much a part of the scene as any gamer, and as a female, she is not immune from the biases levied against women who work in and follow our industry. Thus, she is more than qualified to talk about this topic.
I would love to do an interview with Choko, though I am by no means an expert on fighting games. Her experience might also be different as a Japanese woman, where gender is constructed very, very differently. As I mentioned in another post, I'd love to do a roundtable style interview with a number of female figures in gaming, including gamers themselves.
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Also, if you liked this interview, please consider following me on Twitter  (@SunfishATL).
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On November 07 2013 10:36 qotsager wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 10:17 Jermman wrote:
Literally who? Why hasnt EG disbanded yet, none of their players post consistent results. I really wish the world would stop pushing the whole "MUH ESPORTS" thing, and we could have a smaller dedicated community of players, who have actual jobs and lives outside of starcraft. The game as a whole would be far more enjoyable, and the community far less fractured, if turbonerds stopped revolving their entire lives around it. what. really cool interview, looking forward to the rest of the series
Thank you for the kind words . I actually have two more in this series out already:
http://evilgeniuses.gg/Read/150,Get-to-Know-Jacob-Maelk-Toft-Andersen/ (With Maelk, who needs no introduction)
http://evilgeniuses.gg/Read/155,Get-to-Know-Antonio-CoolGrayAJ-Javier/ (With Antonio Javier, our new SC2/FGC player manager)
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who the hell complained about those dresses at IPL3? uptight drama queens...
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I would need to see all of the aforementioned and allegedly inappropriate pics to form my own opinion. As it stands, e-sports would not be e-sports without Anna. To support that claim, I only need one word: horses.
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Is she even a "woman in Esports"? Didn't realize she played.
Women are dealt with as a novelty in Esports as long as their numbers are <5%, they are just so rarely interested in Esports.
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Hi Sunfish! First off thank you for contributing to eSports by writing articles on it. I think there are many facets of eSports, and the business/creative aspects should also be celebrated, so it's great that you wrote this.
To people of the community who wants to slam Anna and Sunfish:
Regardless of opinion, I do believe that any minority working dispel stereotypes is a brave thing. In this case, Anna has worked very hard in eSports, and we should give credit where credit is due. What difference does it make if she is not a progamer? She still works in the scene, lives in a house full of boys and appears at almost every eSports event in NA. I think she qualifies for an opinion of the eSports scene.
If it comes to newsworthiness, well, that's a matter of opinion and spin. There will be plenty of people of deserve to be interviewed, but who gets to be interviewed will be determined by the writer. It's not a democracy when it comes to writing. Cool to suggest, not cool to be overly critical. Anyway, when do hot-blooded heterosexual males complain about well-dressed girls? It's like we're back in elementary school.
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On November 07 2013 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 10:37 TLNerd wrote:On November 07 2013 10:32 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 08:41 Sunfish wrote:On November 07 2013 08:38 Salient wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to interview a woman who is an actual professional gamer instead of just team-house mom? Maybe interview someone like QueenE instead? I recommend you read the rest of the interview. She talks about exactly that perception and what her actual work involves. I'd love to speak with a female progamer. If there's enough interest, I'm hoping to someday moderate a discussion between women in eSports (a player, a host, a behind the scenes type, a developer, w/e). That will have to wait a while though. I honestly don't think our community can handle that discussion yet. I just think an interview with a female professional gamer would be infinitely more interesting than an interview with a non-gaming employee of EG who happens to be female. Of course, EG is not a team that has female players . . . although others do. What does listening/reading to the interview have to do with his opinion about the affiliation of a female to gaming and her validity to speak about the subject? Edit: Of course she has more inside experience than 99.9% of men and women that read this, but that is beside the point. This interview is about female gamers. She is not a female gamer. Yes she is. She's just not a female professional gamer. Professional gamers aren't the only people in esports either.
Isn't your pitchfork better suited to move dirt than to defend random girl who plays games?
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On November 07 2013 13:03 Littlesheep wrote:
Is she even a "woman in Esports"? Didn't realize she played.
Women are dealt with as a novelty in Esports as long as their numbers are <5%, they are just so rarely interested in Esports.
She works for EG? How much more Esports do you want? Does she need to date/marry the captain of a team? Cause that seems a bit over the top.
Come on folks, people know that Grubbys wife is also his manager, right? And she plays games too. She is a much a woman in Esports as Anna.
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On November 07 2013 13:16 TLNerd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 07 2013 10:37 TLNerd wrote:On November 07 2013 10:32 Salient wrote:On November 07 2013 08:41 Sunfish wrote:On November 07 2013 08:38 Salient wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to interview a woman who is an actual professional gamer instead of just team-house mom? Maybe interview someone like QueenE instead? I recommend you read the rest of the interview. She talks about exactly that perception and what her actual work involves. I'd love to speak with a female progamer. If there's enough interest, I'm hoping to someday moderate a discussion between women in eSports (a player, a host, a behind the scenes type, a developer, w/e). That will have to wait a while though. I honestly don't think our community can handle that discussion yet. I just think an interview with a female professional gamer would be infinitely more interesting than an interview with a non-gaming employee of EG who happens to be female. Of course, EG is not a team that has female players . . . although others do. What does listening/reading to the interview have to do with his opinion about the affiliation of a female to gaming and her validity to speak about the subject? Edit: Of course she has more inside experience than 99.9% of men and women that read this, but that is beside the point. This interview is about female gamers. She is not a female gamer. Yes she is. She's just not a female professional gamer. Professional gamers aren't the only people in esports either. Isn't your pitchfork better suited to move dirt than to defend random girl who plays games?
One. Fantastic post
Two. No pitchfork.
Three. I'm not even defending Anna. I'm defending the journalist and his interview choice.
Four. Hardly a random girl.
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