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TLNerd
Albania26 Posts
On November 07 2013 13:33 jmbthirteen wrote: One. Fantastic post Two. No pitchfork. Three. I'm not even defending Anna. I'm defending the journalist and his interview choice. Four. Hardly a random girl. So you've gone full nerd for absolutely no reason. K. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
Best thing you can do, treat people like people and move on with your life. Don't make a big deal about people doing what people do. | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
I didn't realize people would complain about cocktail dresses, lol. It is clothing for females. I recommend checking out what the German Chancellor wears. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On November 07 2013 21:26 nimbim wrote: Good interview, thanks. I didn't realize people would complain about cocktail dresses, lol. It is clothing for females. I recommend checking out what the German Chancellor wears. + Show Spoiler + That could blind someone. What's up with the Germans, anyway? If you ever go to a resort, you can be sure that the fattest, oldest, most naked people will be old Krauts or maybe Brits. We Americans get a lot of grief for being obese, but at least we don't show it off like we're proud of it. :p | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 07 2013 21:41 Salient wrote: That could blind someone. What's up with the Germans, anyway? If you ever go to a resort, you can be sure that the fattest, oldest, most naked people will be old Krauts or maybe Brits. We Americans get a lot of grief for being obese, but at least we don't show it off like we're proud of it. :p Not sure if I can speak for all Germans, but for me a resort is something that exist for old people in the first place. If more German people think like that, then it's no wonder why the German people in a resort are of much higher average age. | ||
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RESOqub
51 Posts
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Jazzman88
Canada2228 Posts
And to the OP: great interview, a very nice read. Thank you for posting. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On November 07 2013 09:38 Plansix wrote: It is an infuriating behavior that is prevalent across all of gaming and everyone tries to justify it by saying that there are "some girls that get involved with gaming for attention." Because that is somehow justification for being a dick. I'm not disagreeing with the 'being a dick' part, but I happened to be chatting with my niece the other weekend and 'girls who get involved with gaming for attention', or 'gamer groupies' as she put it, is a real (and for her, enormously irritating) thing. Girls at her school will talk about this or that big new release, but when she joins in it's soon clear they're bluffing, and either don't have the game or haven't played it. It's also apparent, when one reads between the lines of social media chatter about who did what and where with whom each evening or weekend, that most don't spend any significant time playing games. And it absolutely is all in order to get attention from boys, because 'gamer girl' is the in-thing to be. On a personal note this is vexing because I appear to have been born twenty years too early, but moving on: The simple truth - as I see it, anyway - is that girls and boys have always played separately. When a boy plays a game (particularly anything competitive or with a high score element) a significant part of the pay-off is real or imagined standing within a real or imagined group. And social standing for boys is related to perceived mating rights. Hitting GM may not actually get you laid, but as far as your hind-brain is concerned, it means you're the kind of guy who gets laid. All this gets thrown into complete disarray when a girl steps up to the plate. Unless she's there to play along, to simper and demonstrate how bad she is, her presence is a direct challenge to that subconscious narrative. "You beat that guy? So what: I beat him. I am a girl and your achievements do not impress me. What else you got?" Personally I can't think of a single game or sport where men play at a lower level than women - and I don't think that's because men are better at everything. I think it's because men won't compete, even with each other, in an event where women have a natural advantage. It's like entering a 'who's got the smallest dick' contest. Obviously this is a generalisation; it won't be true of everyone to the same extent. But it's true enough of enough boys to make gaming a culture that's very uncomfortable with girls participating, especially since boys aren't necessarily at a natural advantage in that arena. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3710 Posts
I lol'd. Either way I feel like we should just let female gamers be female gamers and treat them like we'd treat any male gamer (though that'll never happen). | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 07 2013 09:43 LongShot27 wrote: I don't really care about girls in gaming or hosting or whatever, gender is irrelevant, but saying the equivalent of a suit is a cocktail dress is just flat out dumb, the equivalent is a full dress not a miniskirt you misread her answer. she's saying the female equivalent of the MALE co-hosts casual (semi-formal) wear (t-shirts, blazers, jeans/pants) is a cocktail dress, which is probably true. she didn't say a suit = cocktail dress. reading comprehension.  | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On November 07 2013 09:50 bombsauce wrote: I mean a "full dress" implies a formality that would pair with a tuxedo. Women have a lot more liberty is getting away with things like skirts and cocktail dresses etc. to go along with professional wear, especially in the business world. However, just like in the professional world, there is a sort of imaginary "decency line" tied to just how short that skirt or dress is. Whoah, whoah, whoah. Tuxedo =/= suit. To find the equivalent of a tuxedo, you'd have to wear a ball gown (and you don't want to wear one of those, they're a BITCH to get on). Suits can be quite casual. I have a few hanging up in my closet which are widely considered to be for semi-formal wear, nothing more. A cocktail dress is actually a very good equivalent for a normal suit, because they are considered semi-formal. Cocktail dresses are not mini-skirts, they typically reach down just above the knee or even to the ankle, and are not mini-skirts at all. With so many idiots trying to impose dress rules on women to make them look less slutty, it's incredible the amount of them that don't even understand what women's clothes are like. I'm not implying that you're one of them, but men like that are quite common. I've never seen a pant suit on any woman in a semi-formal situation. Moreover, imagine how gross it would be if all the women at eSports tournaments started wearing pantsuits. Blech.  If you don't believe me, take a look at this wikipedia page (emphasis on "semi-formal" and the ankle length comment ) | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On November 07 2013 09:43 LongShot27 wrote: I don't really care about girls in gaming or hosting or whatever, gender is irrelevant, but saying the equivalent of a suit is a cocktail dress is just flat out dumb, the equivalent is a full dress not a miniskirt A cocktail dress and a miniskirt are not the same thing | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
Also im glad that Anna does behind the scenes stuff now because she wasnt a very good host. Well, to be fair I only like Redeye, the Korean guy and Day9 when he isnt being too corny. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
I don't really like the whole idea of putting good looking women up there in skimpy clothing as a marketing tool, I just find it to be a source of irritation, but I clearly understand why it's being done. The show is being marketed to a crowd of 15-30 year old mostly male audience, the math is fairly straightforward. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 08 2013 02:17 Bowzar wrote: I think I remember that dress. I think it was red with diamonds and shit to make it all sparkly. Basically people thought she was trying to hog the spotlight. Women have worn dresses before when they host without it being a big deal it was just that occasion. Also im glad that Anna does behind the scenes stuff now because she wasnt a very good host. Well, to be fair I only like Redeye, the Korean guy and Day9 when he isnt being too corny. I'm sorry, people had an issue with a sparkly red dress that IPL picked for them to wear? Because that is beyond stupid. I didn't know our community was so ADD that shiny objects on a woman's dress distracted them and made them unable to listen to interviews. I would understand she went full Mylie Cyrus, but wearing a sparkly red dress is not something we need to be debating. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On November 08 2013 02:30 Plansix wrote: I'm sorry, people had an issue with a sparkly red dress that IPL picked for them to wear? Because that is beyond stupid. I didn't know our community was so ADD that shiny objects on a woman's dress distracted them and made them unable to listen to interviews. I would understand she went full Mylie Cyrus, but wearing a sparkly red dress is not something we need to be debating. Youre making it sound like there was an uproear. A couple of guys on reddit thought they were trying to hog the spotlight from the players, other people argued against them and the thread got big because of the whole womens role in esports debate. Sponsors didnt get contacted, no one had to apologize and no one got fired. The blonde chick wore a dress again at WCS EU, no one cared. End of story. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
I'm so disappointed in how this entire thing has been handled. Sjokz is the perfect role model for excellence. It was a genius move to try and make Smix the "SC2 Sjokz" but terribly mishandled by ESL and in general too much pressure was put on her from the start. Sjokz had a chance to grow from the comfort of the small studio environment, Smix was expected to instantly be at Iron Squid level. Disappointed in Anna for not recognizing female hosting in eSports done right when there's an active example of it out there already. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 08 2013 02:30 Plansix wrote: I'm sorry, people had an issue with a sparkly red dress that IPL picked for them to wear? Because that is beyond stupid. I didn't know our community was so ADD that shiny objects on a woman's dress distracted them and made them unable to listen to interviews. I would understand she went full Mylie Cyrus, but wearing a sparkly red dress is not something we need to be debating. Not to mention the fact that they are told what to wear by the organizers... | ||
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