EG's Korea team house has closed - Page 11

On October 03 2013 21:50 iloveav wrote:
People sho comapre lol dota and sc2 are a bit shot sighted.
Even comparing broodwar to sc2 is difficult (and sc2 and bw are very similar), not to mention dota or LoL.

I doubt even 5% of the viewers actually buy the gear that is on the adds, and i even consume the products that are on the adds (some becouse they already have other brands they like, others dont have the money, others dont want to spend money on it, etc).

Streaming targets a certain group of people (gamers who like a certain game), and thats a very narrow group.

So of course sponsors are backing away from the teams, its not like in korean when Broodwar was opular, where a finals even had a stadion full of people, + 10 times that watching on tv (That was worth it in terms of adds), we are talking about a bunch of what before was called "nerds", Probably playing on aother PC while checking a stream from time to time.

Keeping a team running isnt particulary eaxpensive for a big company, but if there is no profit in it, it aint gonna happen.

On October 03 2013 21:24 Elroi wrote:

rofl SC is already dead. you'd have to have no clue about what it once was to think that it isn't.

On October 04 2013 02:35 PPN wrote:
Lol, TL so full of BW furies who wish for SC2's death. Whiners are always the loudest. Guess what ? BW is dead. Nothing will change that. Meanwhile SC2 sure is not as big as it was last year, but it is well and fine compared to where it was pre-Kespa switch. Lots of people are playing on ladder everyday and there are more streams/tournaments than humanly possible to watch them all (for someone with normal working schedule). Deal with it.

Even better : unlike BW, the shrinking/fall of the Korean scene does not mean the end of SC2, because SC2 actually has a foreign scene. Name notable foreign BW players who are not Elky or Idra ? Yeah there is nearly nobody else. Name relevant foreign BW tournaments. Yup still not much. Now do the same for SC2. A fucking lot come to mind especially in EU. See the difference ? Now go make your apocalyptic prophecy on iCCUP BW servers and leave SC2 to people who actually care about the game because you would never say that kind of thing if you did.

Back on topic : with the Teamhouse closing while it's sad (but expected) for PL, if it means that we might get to see more Jaedong and other EG KRs playing in foreign tournaments or even better their long-term moving to foreign countries ala Polt/Stardust (and soon Jjakji), it may not be as bad a trade as it seems.

On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:
Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across.

The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real".

All from the sidelines.

Brood War is dead.

It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire.

At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other.

To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=m

The growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end.

Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product.

On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:


Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers.

BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent.

Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours.

On October 04 2013 05:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Did this guy just say bw beats sc2 in stream numbers? Oh my...

On October 04 2013 05:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Did this guy just say bw beats sc2 in stream numbers? Oh my...

On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:


Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers.

BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent.

Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours.

On October 04 2013 05:54 dabom88 wrote:

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Unless you have hard numbers and references to back this up, you are absolutely wrong, There's no way BW is beating SC2 in streaming numbers worldwide.

Unless you're specifically talking about just in Korea, in which case you should have specifically stated as such. Especially because the guy you were quoting, was talking about Starcraft as a whole, not just Korea. So it looks like you're talking about Starcraft as a whole instead of just Korea, if that's what you're doing that is.

On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:


Lol at people agitated of the fact.

On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games.