EG's Korea team house has closed

On October 02 2013 22:03 SChlafmann wrote:
Well, maybe they know something we don't about next proleague...

On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job.

On October 02 2013 22:12 Thrill wrote:
Wow, that's a heavy blow. Proleague is the last thing i care about in SC2 outside of show tournaments like dreamhack and i guess blizzcon.

All hail Riot, our new eSports overlords. Doin everything right where Blizzard are doing everything wrong.

On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job.

On October 02 2013 22:16 thezanursic wrote:
SC2 Cataclysm Rumor Mill v.2 must be coming up. We could make it a monthly feature!

Seriously though does this mean that EGTL is dropping out of SPL?

On October 02 2013 23:07 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shame. Where will their Korean players live anyway now that the house is closed?

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 02 2013 23:55 Jowj wrote:


Can you elaborate any further on potential proleague participation?

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 02 2013 23:55 Jowj wrote:


Can you elaborate any further on potential proleague participation?

On October 02 2013 23:58 Saser wrote:

Oh man, that sounds awesome for Snute.
Speaking of Zenio: how is he doing nowadays? No tweeting, no streaming, no forum posts, no nothing as far as I can tell. I miss him.
According to Aligulac he still has played some matches lately, though.

On October 02 2013 22:34 xuanzue wrote:


blame chris sigaty. It's all about
f2p vs paywall,
play with friends in a pc bang vs play in your house alone.

On October 03 2013 00:16 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

TaeJa/Snute/Zenio no and HerO don't know yet.

On October 03 2013 00:24 Ender985 wrote:


So is HerO going to be some sort of joker for another team, or does that mean HerO is going to change teams??

On October 03 2013 00:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

No worries he's not changing teams, we just don't know how his living situation will look like, which may or may not have an effect on Proleague.

On October 03 2013 00:48 Pirfiktshon wrote:
@Nazgul, I don't understand this is just the house in Korea? Or is it all the team houses are going to get disbanded like where demuslim is at?

On October 02 2013 22:15 Plansix wrote:

Until they abandon the game and move on and there are no other events out there because Riot runs them all.

On October 03 2013 00:33 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i think most people knew this was coming? Was posted earlier during the LR of GSL. As soon as they parted ways with Coach Park and the "website" showed no logo for EGTL on, it was quite clear that EGTL was not going to feature in the next ProLeague thus no need for a team house.
Only thing is, i wonder if EG will keep there vast roster of Koreans. Jaedong was only a 1 year contract last October? So will Jaedong be going back to Team8 (WinAir now or whatever xD) will they cut a few of there Koreans? JYP aLive Oz Revival all not showing mega results lately. Will be interesting next month

On October 02 2013 22:12 Thrill wrote:
Wow, that's a heavy blow. Proleague is the last thing i care about in SC2 outside of show tournaments like dreamhack and i guess blizzcon.

All hail Riot, our new eSports overlords. Doin everything right where Blizzard are doing everything wrong.

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 03 2013 00:18 OptimusYale wrote:

Please, there is no paywall for SC2, there hasn't been for pc bangs ever

On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:


Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool.

Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game.

If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying.

Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian.

On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:


Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool.

Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game.

If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying.

Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian.

On October 03 2013 04:25 teddyoojo wrote:
i think i have to block out sc2 headlines, now its, wjs in trouble, clide leaves, fxo not sponsoring anymore, wcs critic and now this
just not fun u know
tl used to be a happy place

On October 03 2013 04:32 Pazuzu wrote:


It's mainly cause of the current fad of SC2 dying etc etc etc. Just tune it out

On October 03 2013 04:36 Squat wrote:

Fad or not, you'd have to be an exceedingly optimistic person not to be at least slightly worried about the current trend.

On October 03 2013 04:55 StarStruck wrote:
I wouldn't really call this bad news.

On October 03 2013 04:55 Musicus wrote:
I really hope EG announces something soon, like a living parntership with another team or something, maybe WJstars or something. I just want Jaedong and the rest to have a good practice environment

On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job.

On October 03 2013 06:04 turdburgler wrote:
so after all that work that really paid off in the results of people like hero and oz, western teams are going back to full foreigner practice. gg.

On October 03 2013 05:10 Plansix wrote:

Agreed. People seem to assume that any news is bad now a days. This is just EG and TL changing their focus.

On October 03 2013 06:06 Musicus wrote:


Well I thought exactly that would be the reason to partner with another team, since it's only Soulkey and sOs, plus 2 newcomers maybe. Doesn't make sense for them to stay in the old house with so few players, but EG could pay them to fill it up with their players. Or just rent something completely new together... just random thoughts. But WJstars dropping 6 players is the reason I thought this would make sense for them, they need money and a cheaper place. Pretty sure it's not gonna happen, but a news close to this would make me happy, a living parntership with another team that just downsized their roster.

On October 03 2013 06:06 Weird wrote:


EG-TL makes huge announcement of a team house in Korea that will compete in Proleague, the biggest and brightest team league in the world.

TL predicts this team to be the #1 competitor in the upcoming season. Excitement is high.

EG-TL gets smashed 4-0 by KT in first match, further smashed and I would say completely embarrassed throughout the early season, bottom of the standings.

EG-TL seems to begin righting the ship under new coach, albeit while playing meaningless (for them) matches.

EG-TL lets Coach Park, the only good thing that happened to them all year, leave the team...

EG-TL quits.

But yeah, "changing focus" sounds good too

On October 03 2013 06:11 zacharyIRL wrote:
Did not realize SC2 was in this bad of shape. FXopen, EGTL, Woogin stars, STXSOUL every korean team is dying!

On October 03 2013 04:49 zhurai wrote:
when will the bad news end

On October 03 2013 06:04 for_the_swarm wrote:


uh.. they did their job.. they made a great game in SC2..

as for the popularity of the game, i blame the foreigners.. If they would step up their game and start winning, then it would give the audience something to cheer for.. when stephano was winning tournaments and beating the best koreans, there were tons of viewers.. foreigners HAVE to start beating the koreans to keep the viewers interested.

On October 02 2013 22:36 shid0x wrote:
It isn't really a bad news.
We all knew (come on don't lie) that EGTL would probably not participate again.
So its only logical.

On October 02 2013 22:15 Plansix wrote:

Until they abandon the game and move on and there are no other events out there because Riot runs them all.

On October 03 2013 06:39 HardlyNever wrote:
The irony in all this is that this might be what ultimately breaks the korean dominance in sc2 (not EGTL house closing). What I mean is if sc2 becomes no longer viable as an esport in korea (or incredibly tiny) we might see what most people claim they want to see: a scene dominated by "foreigners," mostly europeans.

I still think we are a long way away from that, but I think the only way we will see koreans lose their dominance of the scene is if they basically just stop playing the game. Will the quality of the games suffer? Probably? Will the "community" care? Who knows?

Can sc2 even survive without Korea?

On October 03 2013 08:00 nimdil wrote:

Actaully I wonder how would Riot organize StarCraft esport scene.

On October 03 2013 06:50 Requiem- wrote:
ofc it can, even bw had to grow , I just hope blizz finds a way like they did with bw.

On October 03 2013 06:50 Requiem- wrote:
ofc it can, even bw had to grow , I just hope blizz finds a way like they did with bw.

On October 03 2013 04:55 Musicus wrote:
I really hope EG announces something soon, like a living parntership with another team or something, maybe WJstars or something. I just want Jaedong and the rest to have a good practice environment

On October 02 2013 22:29 whatusername wrote:
hhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahaha sc2 sucks thank god it's dying

User was temp banned for this post.

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:


this should be a perma ban... and srsly who laughs at the game that started esports? honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:
honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 08:25 scares wrote:

wasn't their way to not do anything? aka not interfere?

I would also consider how big bw was outside korea.

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:


this should be a perma ban... and srsly who laughs at the game that started esports? honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:


this should be a perma ban... and srsly who laughs at the game that started esports? honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 09:49 Xiphos wrote:


They stopped BW from being broadcasted on OGN lol

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:


this should be a perma ban... and srsly who laughs at the game that started esports? honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 10:09 geokilla wrote:

Who goes to TL for LoL?

On October 03 2013 09:24 Advantageous wrote:


this should be a perma ban... and srsly who laughs at the game that started esports? honestly i bet this guy enjoys LoL and it's his only reason for coming on to this site...

On October 03 2013 09:57 GolemMadness wrote:


...The game that started e-sports.......

On October 03 2013 06:32 TaishiCi wrote:

While poorly worded and bit too REAL for TL, there is a point to be had.
One or two foreigners need to step it up and start playing at a championship level. Not foreign championship level, but at a Korean championship level.

On October 03 2013 13:16 Ace Frehley wrote:
With no Proleague for EG anymore (as this seems to imply), I could see Alive, Revival and Oz being axed very soon (unless they are dirty cheap for the team, which they might be)

On October 03 2013 12:28 dreamseller wrote:


this is an interesting point. i think that as the training regimes in korea tighten and the skill homogenisation increases due to the game design and the time the game has been out (top 5 players rotating even quicker than before), this will be harder and harder for foreigners.

what i think will get crowds more involved is not foreigners starting to win (mainly because this just isn't going to happen for so many reasons), but getting koreans to connect with english speaking fans more. watching DRG joke around on stream the other day had such an electric effect on those watching. polt's fanbase is huge because of this. even mediocre koreans (by korean standards) who engage with their english audience get more dedicated fans and higher viewers. violet comes to mind. seeing forGG start to talk a little is also heartening.

On October 03 2013 13:16 Ace Frehley wrote:
With no Proleague for EG anymore (as this seems to imply), I could see Alive, Revival and Oz being axed very soon (unless they are dirty cheap for the team, which they might be)

On October 03 2013 13:16 Ace Frehley wrote:
With no Proleague for EG anymore (as this seems to imply), I could see Alive, Revival and Oz being axed very soon (unless they are dirty cheap for the team, which they might be)

On October 03 2013 11:19 docvoc wrote:
I mean it makes sense since EGTL won't be participating now so it makes little sense for them to continue having it open and spending money on it.

On October 03 2013 13:45 NoGasfOu wrote:

Yes, lets keep incontrol, demuslim and machine. They would be the laughing stock of any tournament. Think about it! Without Koreans EG has these 3 players. hahaha.....I can't think of any other player on EG; and I can't think of any other foreign team that's worst than a team with those 3 players, one is a personality, one does the same macro build every single game and can't stand early pressure or cheese then go whine, and the other can't stand straight in NA master. Talk about cheap.

On October 03 2013 14:02 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


There are people who are more invested in seeing SC2 do poorly for one reason or another than succeed. Not that certain critiques made against the current state of SC2 are not valid, they definitely are, but more often then not a lot of it is far more destructive than constructive. And those individuals know that, and they simply don't care.

On October 03 2013 14:02 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


There are people who are more invested in seeing SC2 do poorly for one reason or another than succeed. Not that certain critiques made against the current state of SC2 are not valid, they definitely are, but more often then not a lot of it is far more destructive than constructive. And those individuals know that, and they simply don't care.

On October 03 2013 13:38 Twiggs wrote:

If only the players demonstration of skill was enough to keep fans excited but alas, SC 2 is not that game. We are almost asking the players to be like Muhammad Ali and hype the fuck out of their competitions. And most of our champions dont speak english too well...

On October 03 2013 15:02 lystier wrote:
Just hope Jaedong won't go back to Team 8 because of this. SC2 environment is even worse in Korea, and he's character suits EG better i think.

On October 03 2013 15:02 lystier wrote:
Just hope Jaedong won't go back to Team 8 because of this. SC2 environment is even worse in Korea, and he's character suits EG better i think.

On October 03 2013 15:17 Penguinator wrote:
How the hell did the entire StarCraft 2 scene manage to collapse in the span of one year?

On October 03 2013 15:17 Penguinator wrote:
How the hell did the entire StarCraft 2 scene manage to collapse in the span of one year?

On October 03 2013 15:17 Penguinator wrote:
How the hell did the entire StarCraft 2 scene manage to collapse in the span of one year?

On October 03 2013 14:12 Traceback wrote:
SC2 just feels really stagnant to me. That is my main qualm with it and where I feel is most falls short compared to other games.

On October 03 2013 16:11 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


I good game may rise by itself, but a good game alone cannot sustain itself. It must have constructive 3rd party support for that.

On October 03 2013 17:04 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
so where will they all go now? Will Jaedong move to the EG Lair in America or stay in his parents house in Korea?

what about Taeja and HerO?

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 02 2013 23:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Speaking for Liquid we're exploring various options for HerO still. He is temporarily residing at the IM house. TaeJa always lived at home. Zenio has preferred to live at home ever since Park's departure some months ago. Snute right now is on a European trip where he played ATC, DH Bucharest, Millenium Finals, and a Norwegian tournament. He will go to IEM New York and from there go back to Korea for another month or so, where he will be staying with CJ under the watchful eye of our good friend Coach Park.

On October 03 2013 15:51 Pegas wrote:
I`m sad to see EGTL gone from PL evan if it was expected since may/june. The team grew soooo much from the start of PL through the 1st Stephano wins , to HerO becoming the god of Shin Dorim (spelling :/) and Coach Park magical touch on the team with aLive doing great games (special mention to JYP aswel for finding a rythm aswel).
I wish that TL will make an appearence next season maybe in a different format who knows, but for me as a SC2 watcher was awesome to see them (winning or loosing - ok maybe winning more than loosing but was still fun).




I belive everyone points the finger at the WCS system.




The feeling of beeing stagnant comes from the 1v1 matchup. Let me expand on this a bit :

MOBA games have the option to rely on someone else to make you win evan if you perform poorly.
SC2 is like ping-pong, mainly a solo competitive game. The better you get the bigger the ego grows, but while u inflate it, you also push people away.
Myself have done that aswel without noticing it at start.
Add up the fact that you become lazy after a while where the hype is gone or you played too much and that is the starting point when starcraft players start droping (ex : could be the fact that you preffer the pay to win system or enjoying to play with more than 2 friends online, or a better game coming out and the hype train just moves with you aboard, which I find nothing wrong wtih tbh).

On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:


Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool.

Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game.

If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying.

Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian.

On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:


You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly.

On October 03 2013 20:29 MattBarry wrote:

I'm confused by what you mean. How can you play ladder without an account

On October 03 2013 20:34 Chaggi wrote:


You need a Battle.net account, but it has to be linked with a SC2 account normally to play in your home. However, when you go to a PC Bang in Korea, you can just make a normal Battle.net account and play, without ever buying the game.

On October 03 2013 19:50 Salient wrote:
People love to over-react. The sky is not falling.

Lots of players are earning money to play this game. MC earns as much money as a successful attorney. Someone will win $100,000 at Blizcon next month. Over 100,000 people will watch the WCS finals on stream. The number of teams or leagues can shrink somewhat without damaging the overall strength of SC2. Individual leagues are going on pretty much all the time. I never cared much about GSTL or Proleague. Anyway, a game with hundreds of thousands of players and fans is very far from dead. The game doesn't need to be as popular as Farmville, Angry Birds, or LoL to be successful. If you want to see a dead game, go look at the awesome RTS games made by Ensemble Studios (RIP). Age of Kings might have a few thousand players. Age of Mythology might have a few hundred.

On October 03 2013 20:36 MattBarry wrote:

Was it like that at the release of WoL?

On October 03 2013 20:28 sd_andeh wrote:
Jesus christ all the talk about sc2 dying :D It's laughable XD Nooo, sc2 is not dying. Sure Korea is taking a blow with losing sponsors but that does in no way mean that sc2 is dead or even remotely close to dying :D

However I do wonder about Jaedong! Would really like to see him in a teamhouse in which enviroment he is the hardest worker.

Nazgul was nice to reply about the Liquid players, I wish some EG-staff would comment on the EG players :D

On October 03 2013 21:24 Elroi wrote:

rofl SC is already dead. you'd have to have no clue about what it once was to think that it isn't.

On October 03 2013 20:49 SuperFanBoy wrote:


Dyrus a LoL streamer gets 50k+ viewers at times, this is more than the current big sc2 tournaments.. where do you think the sponsors will go?

On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job.

On October 03 2013 19:21 ppshchik wrote:
SC2 is a walking corpse with its lifejuice being supported by diehard BW fans and greedy sponsors. Maybe Broodwar fans will support SC2 more if it isn’t such a shit game and if Blizzard weren’t being a bunch of bitches.

Die hard BW casuals just wanna extend their love for Starcraft to a newer generation whilst former BW pros (Both ESF and foreign) wanted to get a piece of the prizepool rather than loving the game. When the Kespa pros began to switch to SC2 all the ESF and Foreigners simply quit the SC2 scene since they can no longer earn easy money whilst Kespa pros retire since they are forced to play a game fulltime which they don’t enjoy.

Then boom, there goes the SC2 bubble.

On October 03 2013 21:50 iloveav wrote:
People sho comapre lol dota and sc2 are a bit shot sighted.
Even comparing broodwar to sc2 is difficult (and sc2 and bw are very similar), not to mention dota or LoL.

I doubt even 5% of the viewers actually buy the gear that is on the adds, and i even consume the products that are on the adds (some becouse they already have other brands they like, others dont have the money, others dont want to spend money on it, etc).

Streaming targets a certain group of people (gamers who like a certain game), and thats a very narrow group.

So of course sponsors are backing away from the teams, its not like in korean when Broodwar was opular, where a finals even had a stadion full of people, + 10 times that watching on tv (That was worth it in terms of adds), we are talking about a bunch of what before was called "nerds", Probably playing on aother PC while checking a stream from time to time.

Keeping a team running isnt particulary eaxpensive for a big company, but if there is no profit in it, it aint gonna happen.

On October 03 2013 21:24 Elroi wrote:

rofl SC is already dead. you'd have to have no clue about what it once was to think that it isn't.

On October 04 2013 02:35 PPN wrote:
Lol, TL so full of BW furies who wish for SC2's death. Whiners are always the loudest. Guess what ? BW is dead. Nothing will change that. Meanwhile SC2 sure is not as big as it was last year, but it is well and fine compared to where it was pre-Kespa switch. Lots of people are playing on ladder everyday and there are more streams/tournaments than humanly possible to watch them all (for someone with normal working schedule). Deal with it.

Even better : unlike BW, the shrinking/fall of the Korean scene does not mean the end of SC2, because SC2 actually has a foreign scene. Name notable foreign BW players who are not Elky or Idra ? Yeah there is nearly nobody else. Name relevant foreign BW tournaments. Yup still not much. Now do the same for SC2. A fucking lot come to mind especially in EU. See the difference ? Now go make your apocalyptic prophecy on iCCUP BW servers and leave SC2 to people who actually care about the game because you would never say that kind of thing if you did.

Back on topic : with the Teamhouse closing while it's sad (but expected) for PL, if it means that we might get to see more Jaedong and other EG KRs playing in foreign tournaments or even better their long-term moving to foreign countries ala Polt/Stardust (and soon Jjakji), it may not be as bad a trade as it seems.

On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:
Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across.

The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real".

All from the sidelines.

Brood War is dead.

It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire.

At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other.

To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=m

The growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end.

Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product.

On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:


Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers.

BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent.

Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours.

On October 04 2013 05:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Did this guy just say bw beats sc2 in stream numbers? Oh my...

On October 04 2013 05:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Did this guy just say bw beats sc2 in stream numbers? Oh my...

On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:


Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers.

BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent.

Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours.

On October 04 2013 05:54 dabom88 wrote:

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Unless you have hard numbers and references to back this up, you are absolutely wrong, There's no way BW is beating SC2 in streaming numbers worldwide.

Unless you're specifically talking about just in Korea, in which case you should have specifically stated as such. Especially because the guy you were quoting, was talking about Starcraft as a whole, not just Korea. So it looks like you're talking about Starcraft as a whole instead of just Korea, if that's what you're doing that is.

On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:


Lol at people agitated of the fact.

On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games.

On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:


Lol at people agitated of the fact.

On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games.

On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:


You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly.

On October 04 2013 08:27 GhostFiber wrote:


lol. That is like saying Ferrari FREE!!!! You can test drive it!! To take home you must buy car key!

The game is free? You must buy an account or use someone else's (like the PC Bang owners) to have access to all SC2's multiplayer features.
The game is free? Everyone on battle.net in Korea must have an account in their name with a SSN attached.
The game is free? If you play in a PC Bang with PC Bang owners account it is in their personal name (not a business name).

On October 02 2013 22:03 Plansix wrote:
Korea is not the place to be for SC2. To difficult to make the investment worth it.

On October 04 2013 09:32 riyanme wrote:


not worth to invest sc2 money in korea anymore
but...
the greatest players and training came from there...

On October 04 2013 08:08 Taipoka wrote:


Not to take any side, but this right now

And its just sad

Btw. These people saying all this "anti-hype" is fault of BW fans, please stop this.
We just had a 27 page LR thread of a RO8 GSL, and it was not the BW fans who made the people absent.