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On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 05:54 dabom88 wrote:On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across. The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real". All from the sidelines. Brood War is dead. It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire. At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other. To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=mThe growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end. Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product. Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers. BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent. Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours. I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Unless you have hard numbers and references to back this up, you are absolutely wrong, There's no way BW is beating SC2 in streaming numbers worldwide. Unless you're specifically talking about just in Korea, in which case you should have specifically stated as such. Especially because the guy you were quoting, was talking about Starcraft as a whole, not just Korea. So it looks like you're talking about Starcraft as a whole instead of just Korea, if that's what you're doing that is. Lol at people agitated of the fact. On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games.
That's very anecdotal information over an unspecified time span. None of that is concrete evidence. Of course people are going to be "agitated" over your wild STATEMENT unless you back your statement up with actual, concrete evidence over a period of time. Average over 2-3 months would probably be best. Then people more people would take your statement seriously.
For example, it's quite easy to see SC2's numbers.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430796
Compare those stream/WCS numbers to whatever evidence you're using for Afreeca stream/SOSPA numbers that you used to come to your conclusion and present them. If not, then don't expect people to take your statement seriously. Show us the numbers that say these streamers that get 20k+a night.
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On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:On October 03 2013 00:18 OptimusYale wrote:On October 02 2013 22:34 xuanzue wrote:On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job. blame chris sigaty. It's all about f2p vs paywall, play with friends in a pc bang vs play in your house alone. Please, there is no paywall for SC2, there hasn't been for pc bangs ever Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool. Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game. If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying. Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian. You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly.
lol. That is like saying Ferrari FREE!!!! You can test drive it!! To take home you must buy car key!
The game is free? You must buy an account or use someone else's (like the PC Bang owners) to have access to all SC2's multiplayer features.
The game is free? Everyone on battle.net in Korea must have an account in their name with a SSN attached.
The game is free? If you play in a PC Bang with PC Bang owners account it is in their personal name (not a business name).
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On October 04 2013 08:27 GhostFiber wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:On October 03 2013 00:18 OptimusYale wrote:On October 02 2013 22:34 xuanzue wrote:On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job. blame chris sigaty. It's all about f2p vs paywall, play with friends in a pc bang vs play in your house alone. Please, there is no paywall for SC2, there hasn't been for pc bangs ever Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool. Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game. If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying. Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian. You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly. lol. That is like saying Ferrari FREE!!!! You can test drive it!! To take home you must buy car key! The game is free? You must buy an account or use someone else's (like the PC Bang owners) to have access to all SC2's multiplayer features. The game is free? Everyone on battle.net in Korea must have an account in their name with a SSN attached. The game is free? If you play in a PC Bang with PC Bang owners account it is in their personal name (not a business name).
The original argument was that if you wanted to play SC2 in a PC Bang, you had to pay the shopkeeper *and* Blizzard to play.
That's been refuted twice now.
The point was never whether the PC Bang owners had to pay or not (kind of irrelevant anyways, they're going to buy/install whatever game people want to play, not just the cheapest ones).
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I would suggest people get out of the invesment of sc2 while they still can
It's not even really the community that is at fault as much as it is blizzard
They just don't/won't listen and well, here you go day9 the other night with a grand total of 1,500'ish viewers when I CLEARLY remember him getting 18k the first time I ever saw the stream.
I suggest re-installing brood war and playing a game that actually lasted
Still can't believe despite all the hype and this and that, that this game buzzed out in just around it's 3rd year.
BW went for like 11 years? Lol?
People still saying "RTS just isn't popular!" dudes, did brood war exist or did it not?
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On October 02 2013 22:03 Plansix wrote:
Korea is not the place to be for SC2. To difficult to make the investment worth it.
not worth to invest sc2 money in korea anymore
but...
the greatest players and training came from there...
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On October 04 2013 09:32 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 22:03 Plansix wrote:
Korea is not the place to be for SC2. To difficult to make the investment worth it. not worth to invest sc2 money in korea anymore but... the greatest players and training came from there...
As EG has shown, return on investment doesn't come solely from being the best.
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Well it looks like we're in the middle of the steep down slope for funding SC2 teams / tournaments. I will continue supporting but I don't know how much longer SC2 pros can support themselves. Sad days indeed.
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On October 04 2013 08:08 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 05:54 dabom88 wrote:On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across. The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real". All from the sidelines. Brood War is dead. It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire. At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other. To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=mThe growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end. Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product. Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers. BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent. Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours. I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Unless you have hard numbers and references to back this up, you are absolutely wrong, There's no way BW is beating SC2 in streaming numbers worldwide. Unless you're specifically talking about just in Korea, in which case you should have specifically stated as such. Especially because the guy you were quoting, was talking about Starcraft as a whole, not just Korea. So it looks like you're talking about Starcraft as a whole instead of just Korea, if that's what you're doing that is. Lol at people agitated of the fact. On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games. Not to take any side, but this right now ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SGw2q2X.jpg) And its just sad  Btw. These people saying all this "anti-hype" is fault of BW fans, please stop this. We just had a 27 page LR thread of a RO8 GSL, and it was not the BW fans who made the people absent.
It's dear vs trap semifinal. just look at the other semifinal, you'll see the difference.
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Blizzard need to put a rush on Legacy of the Void stat!
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On October 04 2013 10:52 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 08:08 Taipoka wrote:On October 04 2013 06:22 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 05:54 dabom88 wrote:On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across. The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real". All from the sidelines. Brood War is dead. It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire. At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other. To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=mThe growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end. Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product. Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers. BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent. Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours. I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Unless you have hard numbers and references to back this up, you are absolutely wrong, There's no way BW is beating SC2 in streaming numbers worldwide. Unless you're specifically talking about just in Korea, in which case you should have specifically stated as such. Especially because the guy you were quoting, was talking about Starcraft as a whole, not just Korea. So it looks like you're talking about Starcraft as a whole instead of just Korea, if that's what you're doing that is. Lol at people agitated of the fact. On Afreeca nights, there are many time when combine viewership of BW streamers goes above than 20k period with all BJs combined while SC2 on TwitchTV fluctuate in the 15k range. So yes even though SC2 is more "global", there are still more overall people watching BW games. Not to take any side, but this right now And its just sad Btw. These people saying all this "anti-hype" is fault of BW fans, please stop this. We just had a 27 page LR thread of a RO8 GSL, and it was not the BW fans who made the people absent. It's dear vs trap semifinal. just look at the other semifinal, you'll see the difference.
It was quarterfinals, soulkey and rain also played that day.
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On October 04 2013 08:27 GhostFiber wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:On October 03 2013 00:18 OptimusYale wrote:On October 02 2013 22:34 xuanzue wrote:On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job. blame chris sigaty. It's all about f2p vs paywall, play with friends in a pc bang vs play in your house alone. Please, there is no paywall for SC2, there hasn't been for pc bangs ever Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool. Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game. If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying. Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian. You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly. lol. That is like saying Ferrari FREE!!!! You can test drive it!! To take home you must buy car key! The game is free? You must buy an account or use someone else's (like the PC Bang owners) to have access to all SC2's multiplayer features. The game is free? Everyone on battle.net in Korea must have an account in their name with a SSN attached. The game is free? If you play in a PC Bang with PC Bang owners account it is in their personal name (not a business name).
Like I said in my first post, you are functionally retarded.
You make a free account to play SC2. SSN is something that everyone over 18 has and LITERALLY DOES NOT COST MONEY. I have no idea what you're even saying with the 3rd point so I'm going to assume you had a seizure and you're just spitting out stupid shit.
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I don't understand how you can buy Lee Jaedong and then not give him a team house. Wtf.
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Well WCS is the thing to go even for Koreans. So not a big surprise after all
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On October 04 2013 05:00 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 02:35 PPN wrote:
Lol, TL so full of BW furies who wish for SC2's death. Whiners are always the loudest. Guess what ? BW is dead. Nothing will change that. Meanwhile SC2 sure is not as big as it was last year, but it is well and fine compared to where it was pre-Kespa switch. Lots of people are playing on ladder everyday and there are more streams/tournaments than humanly possible to watch them all (for someone with normal working schedule). Deal with it.
Even better : unlike BW, the shrinking/fall of the Korean scene does not mean the end of SC2, because SC2 actually has a foreign scene. Name notable foreign BW players who are not Elky or Idra ? Yeah there is nearly nobody else. Name relevant foreign BW tournaments. Yup still not much. Now do the same for SC2. A fucking lot come to mind especially in EU. See the difference ? Now go make your apocalyptic prophecy on iCCUP BW servers and leave SC2 to people who actually care about the game because you would never say that kind of thing if you did.
Back on topic : with the Teamhouse closing while it's sad (but expected) for PL, if it means that we might get to see more Jaedong and other EG KRs playing in foreign tournaments or even better their long-term moving to foreign countries ala Polt/Stardust (and soon Jjakji), it may not be as bad a trade as it seems. But you're wrong.
Quality one liner argument. "You are wrong" is something people say if they are either out of arguments or just sit on such a high horse that it is under their neveau to even talk to others. You can chose which category you belong to.
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On October 04 2013 08:50 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 08:27 GhostFiber wrote:On October 03 2013 20:26 Chaggi wrote:On October 03 2013 03:28 GhostFiber wrote:On October 03 2013 00:18 OptimusYale wrote:On October 02 2013 22:34 xuanzue wrote:On October 02 2013 22:04 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
another nail in the coffin . i bet my sweet ass dustin browder and david kim are farting in self-satisfaction over how good they are doing their job. blame chris sigaty. It's all about f2p vs paywall, play with friends in a pc bang vs play in your house alone. Please, there is no paywall for SC2, there hasn't been for pc bangs ever Then you are calling Khaldor and Tasteless liars? Cool. Everyone has to pay for games. PC bangs have to pay for LoL and SC2 so you have no idea what you are talking about. The only free thing that exists is the starter edition that randomly changes what race you can play every week. Also SC2 originally started out with Korean battle.net currency that you could use to rent SC2 for a limited amount of time instead of having to buy the full game. If there really is no pay wall now then the game must suck more than anyone could imagine, why aren't people willing to play it even if it is 100% free for both gamers and PC bangs? Think about what you are saying. Anyway don't be fooled by this guys Korean tag on his name, it means nothing. For all we know he is some random guy in Pakistan roleplaying as a Korean historian. You are functionally retarded. SC2 is absolutely free, and the client itself is a FREE download. The account is what costs money but I can't expect you to know that. And yes, despite it being FREE, with perks of playing in the PC Bang (free collector edition portraits) in my 3+ years in Korea, I have never seen anyone else play sadly. lol. That is like saying Ferrari FREE!!!! You can test drive it!! To take home you must buy car key! The game is free? You must buy an account or use someone else's (like the PC Bang owners) to have access to all SC2's multiplayer features. The game is free? Everyone on battle.net in Korea must have an account in their name with a SSN attached. The game is free? If you play in a PC Bang with PC Bang owners account it is in their personal name (not a business name). The original argument was that if you wanted to play SC2 in a PC Bang, you had to pay the shopkeeper *and* Blizzard to play. That's been refuted twice now. The point was never whether the PC Bang owners had to pay or not (kind of irrelevant anyways, they're going to buy/install whatever game people want to play, not just the cheapest ones).
Fair enough, fair enough. You know what I meant. Lending a friend an account is no different to PC Bang owner lending customers an account.
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On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across. The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real". All from the sidelines. Brood War is dead. It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire. At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other. To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=mThe growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end. Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product. Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers. BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent. Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours.
Nope.
At peak Brood War averages between 3 and 4k. At present, Bisu is playing BW - arguably the highest level defectee we've got. 800 viewers. LiquidHerO streaming at the same time? 1.3k viewers.
Code S? Varies between 18 and 20k viewers. Note that this is being aired while most people are at university, at school or asleep.
Starcraft 2 is on the order of a hundred to a thousand times more popular than Brood War. Despite the god awful Brood War community bitching and moaning endlessly, there are still hundreds of thousands playing this game every night and enjoying watching it too.
You won't kill our game. Stop trying, shut up and go and watch your streams. Sometimes I think the most positive thing this community could do would be to finally kill off the Brood War community and send them off to moan and bitch elsewhere.
EDIT: Seriously. I come on here to read and talk about Starcraft. I am tired of BW fanbois filling every thread with faecal matter. Can the mods do something about it? It's miserable to read.
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The decline of the StarCraft Scene in Korea started when players were caught match-fixing.
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On October 04 2013 20:12 RESOqub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 05:13 Xiphos wrote:On October 04 2013 04:17 ctbower5 wrote:Could there be a larger collection of whining fan boys of a game that's actually dead? My God the Brood War fans are the most obnoxious community I've ever come across. The same thing happened in the financial community with the advent of online/off-site trading. The pit traders couldn't adapt to the new skill set and slowly died off. They're whining to this day about how pit trading was "real". All from the sidelines. Brood War is dead. It's impossible to comprehend just how much StarCraft II content is being put out there every day. It's literally impossible to watch every tournament much less every stream. It's so ridiculously over-saturated it's entirely inevitable some things are going to end. Tournaments will move on as will sponsors. Some teams will shut down. Some players [especially those holdovers from Brood War who haven't been able to make the transition] will retire. At some point the contraction will be over and the growth will reappear. The same will happen to both LoL and DotA 2 in the future. It happens to all markets, all businesses and all aspects of life. Markets move from one extreme to the other. To illustrate the point take a look at a chart of say, NFLX. http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=0&p=mThe growth in the price of the stock was extreme - the resulting sell-off was equally extreme. Growth resumed and again is likely at an extreme. The overall trajectory is however upward. As long as the strength of the overall product is solid, it will recover in the end. Regardless of what the Brood War fan-boys want to say, StarCraft II is a solid product. Umm..in term of streaming viewership, BW is still superior than SC2's numbers. BW is reaching into a second golden age while SC2's decline is rather imminent. Sorry that you have to waste all that time writing that wall of text and killing so many brain cells with that temper tantrum of yours. Nope. At peak Brood War averages between 3 and 4k. At present, Bisu is playing BW - arguably the highest level defectee we've got. 800 viewers. LiquidHerO streaming at the same time? 1.3k viewers. Code S? Varies between 18 and 20k viewers. Note that this is being aired while most people are at university, at school or asleep. Starcraft 2 is on the order of a hundred to a thousand times more popular than Brood War. Despite the god awful Brood War community bitching and moaning endlessly, there are still hundreds of thousands playing this game every night and enjoying watching it too. You won't kill our game. Stop trying, shut up and go and watch your streams. Sometimes I think the most positive thing this community could do would be to finally kill off the Brood War community and send them off to moan and bitch elsewhere. EDIT: Seriously. I come on here to read and talk about Starcraft. I am tired of BW fanbois filling every thread with faecal matter. Can the mods do something about it? It's miserable to read.
This post is not completely correct.
In your first point, you do not take Afreeca TV into account. On that platform (Korean platform, may I add), BW is better off than SC2 and it reaches those 20k viewers without a problem. Bisu even said, that it is more lucrative to stream BW on Afreeca than play SC2 profesionally.
At the second point, you are also not factually correct. At its peak, BW was more popular than SC2 is. Yes, globally SC2 is probably more popular one, but BW was an actual sport in Korea. Nobody probably has the numbers, but imo it is safe to say that at least as much people watched BW in Korea in its peak, as there is people watching SC2 globally right now.
And to the last point, I am sorry to say (pls note, I was actually never BW fan, I just can respect the history and care enough to actually read upon the players, teams and leagues when Kespa switched) but SC2 actually IS dying in Korea. It is not worth it for sponsors to pump money into it anymore. Globally? Yeah, globally SC2 is doing completely fine. EU scene is very strong and even in US and SEA there are a lot of people caring. In Korea? Nope~
That's actually the weirdest about these discussions. A lot of people screaming 'SC2 is dying' and then a lot of people screaming 'No, we are just fine!' All this, while nobody cares to say that both of these groups are correct, it's just that the first group is talking about Korean scene, while the other group talks about the global scene.
And btw, the ones killing Korean scene are not just Blizzard (although they play their role in it) or the game itself (which is actually much better in HotS then it ever was in WoL, although a little too stale in certain matchups (TvP; TvZ)), but the two groups that are supposed to be supporting it - eSF and Kespa. Their inability to work together and creating one unified scene is what's killing SC2 in Korea the most. If you ask me, they are both fucking awful and will be first to hold responsible if SC2 ever really completely dies in Korea...
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On October 04 2013 09:15 shivver wrote:
I would suggest people get out of the invesment of sc2 while they still can
It's not even really the community that is at fault as much as it is blizzard
They just don't/won't listen and well, here you go day9 the other night with a grand total of 1,500'ish viewers when I CLEARLY remember him getting 18k the first time I ever saw the stream.
I suggest re-installing brood war and playing a game that actually lasted
Still can't believe despite all the hype and this and that, that this game buzzed out in just around it's 3rd year.
BW went for like 11 years? Lol?
People still saying "RTS just isn't popular!" dudes, did brood war exist or did it not?
Yup, it existed when RTS was popular. Now it's not. We are in the age of MOBAs and console shooters... As sad as it sounds, RTS will die with SC2. Have you seen a good RTS game released after SC2 ? Nope. Game developers won't even bother.
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