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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
September 30 2013 21:11 GMT
#41
After I read the interview I went to search about Widow mine nerf.

Then I realised there is no nerf at all. iloveOOV is only trying to give an example hahaha.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
September 30 2013 21:14 GMT
#42
iloveoov destroyed David Kim in this one and he's absolutely right about it. He seems to understand what he's talking about very well. I wish SC2 was a bit more untouched, maybe for LotV...
이지은
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
September 30 2013 21:15 GMT
#43
On October 01 2013 05:55 DiMano wrote:
iloveoov is so boss and gives such a good comparison between sc1 and sc2 <3
But you guys are soooo stange you say T, Z or P imba DK please balance the game why there is still no patch and now after the interview you say do not patch the game let things go...


Well I guess it has to do with the heat of the moment. People see new stuff coming out and they are excited, but they soon realise that it doesn't really change much because Sc2's problem isn't about balance it's about design flaws.
A patch always gives hope eventhough it doesn't change anything.

Great interview by oov, i'm eager to see him give more interviews
rly ?
allmylifethereyougo
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom24 Posts
September 30 2013 21:17 GMT
#44
On October 01 2013 06:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
After I read the interview I went to search about Widow mine nerf.

Then I realised there is no nerf at all. iloveOOV is only trying to give an example hahaha.


That line was kind of tricky to translate. I think he was referring to the idea David Kim proposed of reducing the mine's splash radius.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 21:18:15
September 30 2013 21:18 GMT
#45
I can't stop loving this guy, his words are honey to my ears, controversial ? More honey!

Or banana.
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 30 2013 21:19 GMT
#46
ehehehe oov is bashing david kim so hard
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
September 30 2013 21:20 GMT
#47
On October 01 2013 06:17 allmylifethereyougo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 06:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
After I read the interview I went to search about Widow mine nerf.

Then I realised there is no nerf at all. iloveOOV is only trying to give an example hahaha.


That line was kind of tricky to translate. I think he was referring to the idea David Kim proposed of reducing the mine's splash radius.


Welcome to TL
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 30 2013 21:22 GMT
#48
By the way, I hope you guys aren't going to completely buy this oov bravado, the guy has not even been coaching for 2 weeks yet, and part of this time was chuseok. The guy loves to talk big, and he's making things sound very black and white. :p
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 21:23:52
September 30 2013 21:23 GMT
#49
On October 01 2013 06:20 forumtext wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 06:17 allmylifethereyougo wrote:
On October 01 2013 06:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
After I read the interview I went to search about Widow mine nerf.

Then I realised there is no nerf at all. iloveOOV is only trying to give an example hahaha.


That line was kind of tricky to translate. I think he was referring to the idea David Kim proposed of reducing the mine's splash radius.


Welcome to TL


Hey I just realised u have only 1 post. To reply to me. Thank you.

And your nick
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
allmylifethereyougo
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom24 Posts
September 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#50
On October 01 2013 06:23 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 06:20 forumtext wrote:
On October 01 2013 06:17 allmylifethereyougo wrote:
On October 01 2013 06:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
After I read the interview I went to search about Widow mine nerf.

Then I realised there is no nerf at all. iloveOOV is only trying to give an example hahaha.


That line was kind of tricky to translate. I think he was referring to the idea David Kim proposed of reducing the mine's splash radius.


Welcome to TL


Hey I just realised u have only 1 post. To reply to me. Thank you.

And your nick


Haha no problemo. The people are much cooler here.
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
September 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#51
So true !
Design - eddytritten.com
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
September 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#52
On October 01 2013 06:22 Kasaraki wrote:
By the way, I hope you guys aren't going to completely buy this oov bravado, the guy has not even been coaching for 2 weeks yet, and part of this time was chuseok. The guy loves to talk big, and he's making things sound very black and white. :p


Is there a play time quota to speak wisely about the game ?
rly ?
GL999et1000
Profile Joined December 2012
France229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 21:32:06
September 30 2013 21:27 GMT
#53
I didnot follow BW scene but I already appreciate SKT1's new coach ! I like his talk !
SKT1 fighting ! <3
P: PartinG,Rain,sOs | T: Dream, Maru,Fantasy | Z: Life, SoO, Leenock | Micro for the win! | Warcraft 3 always in my heart !
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
September 30 2013 21:29 GMT
#54
On October 01 2013 06:02 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 05:58 RifleCow wrote:
On October 01 2013 05:52 StarStruck wrote:
On October 01 2013 05:49 RifleCow wrote:
I am not envious of David Kim/Dustin Browder's position. You have an entire pro-scene to support, people are asking for everything in the spectrum of no changes all the way to massive game changes. Really a screwed if you do screwed if you don't position. It's no wonder that they do whatever they feel is good for the game and don't really listen to progamers or the community.

In my opinion, it isn't the changes. LoL changes every month and it is still huge.


People need to stop comparing changes/patches from MOBA games to RTS. It's nothing alike. Heck, we have Blizzard on record stating they wanted to show more restraint and let the players figure shit out for themselves, ha.


The balance changes in BW came in the form of mapmaking. If starleagues were still playing lost temple then you would see rampant amount of Terrans. Remember the "Protoss dragons" era, where they made maps so Protoss favored that it looked imbalanced. 2 Base carrier on Katrina was probably the most boring shit ever.

I think overall the HoTS changes have been way better than WoL. Changes should be revolving around making the game more fun to play and watch, rather than some sense of balance.


That's only one element bud. We could dissect every map and the reality is not every single one of them were balanced. Take the WCG map pool for instance that rarely changed and when it did you left your head scratching with some of the new options. The patches did a lot of the work when it came to attack speed/cost of turrets, the pool changes, etc. That's what we call game changing. Yeah, I remember the Protoss, 6 dragoon era well but that was sort of a cross period and then you have maps like Paradoxxx back in '04 where you're left going, "W-T-F."


I still think the largest issue in SC2 is game phases and maps. Maybe this is just because the game has been around longer, but in BW there was quite a clear difference between early, mid, and late game. TvZ: marine vs sunken/ling, M&M turtle vs Muta, M&M SV vs lurkerling, M&M SV vs defiler lurkerling, and finally defiler ultraling if zerg is winning. Whereas terran never moves from 4M in SC2, would be cool to see some raven usage. This is the best matchup in SC2 too, cuz ZvP and TvP in SC2 are nothing compared to BW. Though I do believe the mirrors are massively improved.

With maps, the fault lies in part with player influence on tournaments. With BW, the maps were just forced down your throat and you had to accept them. Players obviously don't want a wide range of map-types to practice because it makes grinding out games less effective. But in the end, we know those wacky maps were part of the fun of spectating BW. Maps were defined by their gimmicks and even standard maps had defining features. Maps in SC2, particularly at the end of WoL were just Daybreak clones making the meta very stale. Of course, the rest of the problem is due to Protoss design requiring an easy to take third which does limit map makers. Honestly, I hope mapmakers see that MSC lets Protoss get away with more greed and hence make farther thirds.
hohoho
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
September 30 2013 21:30 GMT
#55
Good interview, but it is funny how quickly the community changes their opinions.

MC/Flash/Mvp/???? calls for a change because the game is imbalanced:

"OH MY GOD! THEY SAID IT'S IMBALANCED! CHANGE IT NOW!"

iloveoov says they worry about balance too much and shouldn't change things so quickly:

"I've been saying it for years, they shouldn't fiddle around with it so much. Just let the imbalance run it's course."

Next week some pro will say the game is imbalanced and needs to be patched and these same posters will be up in arms because Blizzard hasn't fixed it yet...
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 21:42:45
September 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#56
On October 01 2013 06:19 Dontkillme wrote:
ehehehe oov is bashing david kim so hard

Someone with the balls, showed up. Whether he is right or not is irregardless, at least its the first time someone spoke this name openly, in Korea.

Balance patch was a "taboo" in BW community for many years, SC2 reality is vastly different to the one Korea knows. And its good they speak up about this "new experience".
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
September 30 2013 21:33 GMT
#57
I agree about the balance issues. In that because things get patched people don't rise above and beyond. It is 50% blizzards fault and 50% our fault. All we do is whine about balance. Until that stops, blizzard will feel the need to make changes.
Julyzerg ftw
Gaizokubanou
Profile Joined April 2013
United States61 Posts
September 30 2013 21:34 GMT
#58
On October 01 2013 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Good interview, but it is funny how quickly the community changes their opinions.


Indeed. All this shows is that there is no singular community hive mind. The whole "community wants X and Blizzard/DavidKim can't deliver" is such nonsensical argument because community as a whole wants X Y Z and more, most of them being non compatible with each other.
BuzzKillington
Profile Joined September 2013
United States47 Posts
September 30 2013 21:36 GMT
#59
On October 01 2013 06:22 Kasaraki wrote:
By the way, I hope you guys aren't going to completely buy this oov bravado, the guy has not even been coaching for 2 weeks yet, and part of this time was chuseok. The guy loves to talk big, and he's making things sound very black and white. :p


Black and white talk seems wrong in completely logical thinking. But when you want to make a difference in this world, 100% logical thinking and safe talking is not gonna get you anywhere. It usually shows that you actually have no strong opinions and unsure about lots of things.
xPliCt
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 21:39:19
September 30 2013 21:38 GMT
#60
Well I think most don't get DK's role: he is the scapegoat of the scene. No matter what he would do he would be the one who is blamed for everything negative... (at least balance wise=
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