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EG's Lair in the New York Times - Page 6

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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 29 2013 17:02 GMT
#101
I really don't want to read this, I don't think I could handle the cringe of anything from the external world focused on ESPORTS.

Speaking of which, we really need to change that name.
playnice
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia302 Posts
September 29 2013 17:03 GMT
#102
By definition a motorsport.
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 29 2013 17:04 GMT
#103
On September 30 2013 01:57 UmberBane wrote:
Oh I thought F1 was already considered a sport, but I don't really follow it, haha. Good one, though. It's definitely a similar "on the edge" kind of thing.

"motor sports"
People come up with the exact same arguments as well. "You aren't actually doing anything physical you are just driving the vehicle is doing the work." and then people counter with "Have you ever tried driving an indie car? It is actually very physically demanding" and so they go on in circles just like we do.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 29 2013 17:06 GMT
#104
Ah that's actually a very good example of another modified sports term! Motorsports, Billardsports, Dartsports, eSports... Sounds fine to me.
JIJI_
Profile Joined October 2010
United States123 Posts
September 29 2013 17:30 GMT
#105
Yes it is a sport but like someone else said we are at the COMPLETE mercy of blizzard or whatever other company made the game and the changes / balance / design ect they decide to make.

This is why being a pro-gamer is so difficult. The rules can change overnight and stuff that you just spent the last 2 months perfecting can be changed so it's no longer effective. With something like basketball or football the game is much more stable and doesn't have massive "balance" or "rule" changes every 2 months.
All hail King IdrA!
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
September 29 2013 17:45 GMT
#106
On September 29 2013 14:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:10 xxpack09 wrote:
loling majorly @ "Prosser Robinson"

why?


Because they don't know what Anna's actual first name is?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 29 2013 17:52 GMT
#107
On September 30 2013 02:30 JIJI_ wrote:
Yes it is a sport but like someone else said we are at the COMPLETE mercy of blizzard or whatever other company made the game and the changes / balance / design ect they decide to make.

This is why being a pro-gamer is so difficult. The rules can change overnight and stuff that you just spent the last 2 months perfecting can be changed so it's no longer effective. With something like basketball or football the game is much more stable and doesn't have massive "balance" or "rule" changes every 2 months.

You mean just like golf or any other sport where the league controls everything, including the courses, rules and all other parts of the sport itself.

All professional athletes have to deal with the league/owner of the sport they are involved with.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 29 2013 17:54 GMT
#108
On September 30 2013 02:04 Snorkle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 01:57 UmberBane wrote:
Oh I thought F1 was already considered a sport, but I don't really follow it, haha. Good one, though. It's definitely a similar "on the edge" kind of thing.

"motor sports"
People come up with the exact same arguments as well. "You aren't actually doing anything physical you are just driving the vehicle is doing the work." and then people counter with "Have you ever tried driving an indie car? It is actually very physically demanding" and so they go on in circles just like we do.


Formula 1 is insanely hard on your body during a race.
You lose a lot of body water and stuff. I've heard of pretty impressive facts, like Alonso losing 2 or 3 kilos after a single race. It's intense.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
September 29 2013 17:56 GMT
#109
Nice! :D Good for esports
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Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
September 29 2013 18:05 GMT
#110
On September 30 2013 02:45 xxpack09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 29 2013 14:10 xxpack09 wrote:
loling majorly @ "Prosser Robinson"

why?


Because they don't know what Anna's actual first name is?


What?? Her full name is written the first time they talk about her, then they refer to her by last name only afterwards which is pretty standard.. see Garfield, Baker, Loranger
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Startyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Scotland188 Posts
September 29 2013 19:07 GMT
#111
There is something irritating about that article.
Try reading through this other article on the site and compare them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/sports/baseball/mariano-rivera-a-zen-master-with-a-mean-cutter.html?ref=sports

It goes on about personal setbacks, career statistics, personal skills, styles of playing and so on. It provides a sense of this legendary player and I know nothing about baseball.

It could easily be written about a starcraft 2 player. We all know the depths involved in the international Starcraft 2 tournaments, though more mainstream media do not seem to attempt to convey any of it.

Instead how is this for an equivalent.

Here is a baseball player who throws a ball for a living, is that a sport? He has little more than 1 action every few minutes and has basically one pitch (barely even 1 build order).
To examine this player and the legitimacy of his career we will ask in depth questions about his hygiene and eating habits,
does he do his own laundry? does he cook for himself? how often does he eat at a restaurant?

I can not imagine such an article being anything other than insulting for baseball fans. Unless it is meant as a joke, but then anyone who knows nothing about baseball is unlikely to get it.
dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
September 29 2013 19:08 GMT
#112
I saw a lot of stereotypes in this article. E-Sports were still being treated as an oddity, rather than a real sport. Nice to see E-Sports get their due in a major publication, but still kinda meh.

Furthermore, to label EG as the "Yankees" of E-Sports is quite generous. The Yankees have 27 championships to their credit. EG is a lot closer to the Red Sox, the lovable losers (really, no disrespect intended) who after a lot of perseverance and bad luck, manage to snag a couple of big wins.
"The only way to grow E-Sports is to tell the truth." -Richard Lewis
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
September 29 2013 19:13 GMT
#113
LOL EG might be one of the causes of sc2 slowly dying.

- when they started tearing korean teams appart by hooking contracted players.
- when they they hook foreign players out of their team with big contract (which players coudn't say no to, cause money) breaking instantly team rivalries and eu/na rivalries that kept the game exiting.
- when they monopolize the few existing sponsors.
- when they bought Jaedong, disconnecting him from the korean fanbase simulteanously. which we know is already not really into sc2. lets cut whats left of the korean fanbase by sending sc1 legend out of korea.

and now portaying gamers as introverted autistic people cave'd in all day
JIJI_
Profile Joined October 2010
United States123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 19:18:18
September 29 2013 19:15 GMT
#114
On September 30 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:

You mean just like golf or any other sport where the league controls everything, including the courses, rules and all other parts of the sport itself.

All professional athletes have to deal with the league/owner of the sport they are involved with.


League does not control everything. They control some stuff but not nearly to the extent as with a video game being the medium.

For casual players especially.....game like football or basketball you can play with friends with your own rules. Take a video game you are basically forced into the same rule-set as the professionals.

Could you imagine playing a pickup basketball game or a friendly football game at the beach or in a HS setting with the same exact rules as the professionals have to play by? No I couldn't.


Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
All hail King IdrA!
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
September 29 2013 19:24 GMT
#115
It was actually really interesting to read that article, I felt that Alex might have been a bit upset by the comment made about his appearance.

I thought it was funny to how anna is the team mom and takes care of everyone
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
September 29 2013 19:27 GMT
#116
On September 30 2013 02:02 bo1b wrote:
I really don't want to read this, I don't think I could handle the cringe of anything from the external world focused on ESPORTS.

Speaking of which, we really need to change that name.

#killingvirtuasports
#hashtag
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 29 2013 20:20 GMT
#117
That was a well done article. I appreciate that as a Journalism student.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
September 29 2013 20:30 GMT
#118
I've always wondered what retired e-athletes do when they retire. Many, if not most of them skipped education to build an esports career. Do they try to find a job or do they go back to college?

It's why I respect both Stephano and Thorzain so much. The former retired to get a degree while the latter put his esports career on the backburner to focus on his education. Neither is at the top of their game anymore, which probably made the decision easier, but still, it is the right choice in the long run.
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
September 29 2013 20:34 GMT
#119
On September 30 2013 05:30 maartendq wrote:
I've always wondered what retired e-athletes do when they retire. Many, if not most of them skipped education to build an esports career. Do they try to find a job or do they go back to college?


Get jobs in gaming/esports. Or just go to college, nothing says you have to do it in your early 20s or you're fucked.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 20:47:08
September 29 2013 20:44 GMT
#120
On September 30 2013 04:15 JIJI_ wrote:
Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.

This is cute. Both Shaq and Wilt forced the NBA to change rules regarding lanes and goaltending because of their dominance.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1aexwv/players_that_caused_nba_rule_changes/

Also, the NCAA did ban dunks for a time because of Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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