It was 3 p.m. and the California sunlight was beating at the windows, but the Lair’s front shutters were drawn tight, leaving the gamers to focus in the darkness on their training, which meant playing video games from dawn to dusk each day, or from dusk to dawn each night. Their physical needs had been seen to: the kitchen refrigerator was stocked with bagels, the living room cooler with caffeinated sports drinks. At their flashing terminals, the four young men were immersed enough in work that they hardly noticed the two maids feather-dusting everything around them — and occasionally poking a vacuum cleaner between their legs.
I like how he says he won't talk about income and then goes on to give an approx income and I see he's still trying to compare his original brand to the Yankees. hue. Regardless at least this isn't another blog article.
This is nice exposure in a general sense, but captions like "quickly lucrative" is worrying me. Fast ascent is always linked with "hype bubble" and that's never good.
I think its really cool to see E-Sports in the media in a positive sense. Also Alex calling out people who don't think video games should be sports was pretty boss IMO
“Take a guy like Ben,” said Garfield, referring to DeMusliM, whose real name is Benjamin Baker. “He’s been doing this since he was 15. Now he’s 23. He earns, let’s say, 60 to 80 grand a year, plus tournaments and endorsements." that actually is a pretty impressive salary if EG is really paying that.
If he is talking about the Yankees in the last few years, its spot on. Aging heroes, former or otherwise, + costly rosterl + minimal results describes them to a t.
Is there a Dota player who also happens to have the last name Baker? The article and especially the slideshow keep implying that "Baker" is a Dota 2 player.
I definitely did not see the article portraying hte gamers themselves in a positive light, but rather as super introverted individuals who lack social skills. Then again, it was Anna who admitted it...
What I didn't like about this is the one shot of a live tournament they showed was the Red Bull Seattle thing in a lecture hall. Made it look really mickey mouse.
On September 29 2013 11:40 FabledIntegral wrote: I definitely did not see the article portraying hte gamers themselves in a positive light, but rather as super introverted individuals who lack social skills. Then again, it was Anna who admitted it...
To be fair, it sounds like an article written by someone who actually took the time to research his story. If that's how the players are, then so be it...I'd rather a story be too truthful than vague and wishy-washy.
Within the Lair, a tautly focused silence tends to reign. It is broken only by the patter-clack of keyboards or by occasional exclamations: “Nice shot, dude!” or “Dang, I just got killed!”
Didn't read the full article yet but from the tidbits I got, I'm not getting a good impression lol. Seems like it's more of a humorous article than anything else but who knows. Maybe I read the wrong parts so far XD
Sitting in a private room, surrounded by displays of bottled sake, they looked a bit uneasy, and at first, their conversation was a halting mix of silences and shoptalk. Then the others noticed that Baker was sending a text message to someone on his smartphone. Garfield, in charge as always, asked, To whom?
It was a young woman, and Baker needed help. Roused by this romantic challenge, his teammates came to his assistance. Joining forces, as a multiperson Cyrano de Bergerac, they offered suggestions for Baker’s texts. In the end, their communal gambit worked. The woman was intrigued and texted back.
To Bates, the effort was in keeping with the Lair’s collective spirit.
“It’s what we do,” he said. “We help each other and hold each other accountable. It’s just pretty cool when you can live with your best friends.”
Sitting in a private room, surrounded by displays of bottled sake, they looked a bit uneasy, and at first, their conversation was a halting mix of silences and shoptalk. Then the others noticed that Baker was sending a text message to someone on his smartphone. Garfield, in charge as always, asked, To whom?
It was a young woman, and Baker needed help. Roused by this romantic challenge, his teammates came to his assistance. Joining forces, as a multiperson Cyrano de Bergerac, they offered suggestions for Baker’s texts. In the end, their communal gambit worked. The woman was intrigued and texted back.
To Bates, the effort was in keeping with the Lair’s collective spirit.
“It’s what we do,” he said. “We help each other and hold each other accountable. It’s just pretty cool when you can live with your best friends.”
Seriously...
The whole article was pretty good until this paragraph. Maybe they looked uneasy because they had a ny times reporter sitting with them, I know I wouldn't be able to act normal and natural if I had someone sitting there watching me and taking notes on my behavior.
Sitting in a private room, surrounded by displays of bottled sake, they looked a bit uneasy, and at first, their conversation was a halting mix of silences and shoptalk. Then the others noticed that Baker was sending a text message to someone on his smartphone. Garfield, in charge as always, asked, To whom?
It was a young woman, and Baker needed help. Roused by this romantic challenge, his teammates came to his assistance. Joining forces, as a multiperson Cyrano de Bergerac, they offered suggestions for Baker’s texts. In the end, their communal gambit worked. The woman was intrigued and texted back.
To Bates, the effort was in keeping with the Lair’s collective spirit.
“It’s what we do,” he said. “We help each other and hold each other accountable. It’s just pretty cool when you can live with your best friends.”
Seriously...
I see the problem here. Demuslin was texting the lady instead of talking with her. Ladies always fall for his accent.
Im so sick and tired of videos that is suppose to educate the rest of the world what E-SPORTS is, it makes for videos that dont show the reality in it. How many times havnt we seen videos like this, where you hear all the standard shit. Playing 12 hours a day, is it a real sport?, fastest growing blablabla.
What im really trying to say is that we dont need to get accepted by the rest of the world, if they dont like and look at it as nolife, nerdy or whatever, then fine.. who gives a shit :D let them go back to their easy and boring sports that we see get alot of headlines today.
Thanks for posting this. Very good read, it kept a pretty positive outlook, while still noting the issue that pro players deal with/ pro players cause.
Sound like the Yankees. Old, not that good anymore, and over payed with no results to show for it. "Micheal jordans of the games we play" lol. Maybe Micheal Jordan playing baseball.
On September 29 2013 13:36 N.geNuity wrote: What a shitty article in all honesty
It has some positive notes but also focuses repeatedly on 'stereotypical nerd markers.' Commenting on how late they sleep? Their hygiene? Ugggghh at least it is not overtly aggressive.
One major difference between eSports and traditional "real" sports is that eSports are dependent upon the intellectual property of the game developer. Football, soccer, baseball, etc, all you need is a ball and some land and you can play. In eSports, the entire scene is subordinated to one entity, e.g. Blizzard, who can make balance changes, map changes, any changes they damn well please, and the entire scene changes. One can train, and develop the skills necessary to become a professional basketball player, or football player, or soccer player, and no one entity can prevent that career choice. Not the case in eSports. Every single game upon which an eSports scene is based, is owned by some entity with the complete right to change the rules of the game overnight. Also, game developers interest is generation of profit which is not necessarily aligned with what is best for the separate "eSports" scene.
Haven't finished the article yet, but the video and the slideshow are fair enough. My only concern is Alex's answer to the "real sport" question. It comes of as really arrogant and unwelcoming to someone who maybe hearing about professional gaming for the first time (yeah it's a long shot if you are watching a video online, but you never know). That's not how a CEO answers to a major news outlet asking him about the main profile of the company he runs, it's a junior high schooler getting upset at grownups for not getting why playing video games is the best thing ever. Maybe the editing is at fault here and the question was much more provocative/ignorant than just is esport/ competitive gaming a real sport? But still, DeMu's answer was much more collected and sensible (that's why I think they might not have been asked exactly the same question). That whole cool kids club metaphor was just messed up. I'm sure there is a reason, but they should've let Geoff do the talking (at least instead of Machine). He would've convinced any worried parent watching the video that esports is the ultimate carrier anyone with a broadband internet connection could ever want. I know that Alex is extremely capable of doing his job and EG are a good outfit to have in this scene, but he still should have kept his professional demeanor.
Within the Lair, a tautly focused silence tends to reign. It is broken only by the patter-clack of keyboards or by occasional exclamations: “Nice shot, dude!” or “Dang, I just got killed!”
Hahahaha yeah I'm sure that's what they say.
No that's what I say all the time
I get 4-immortal 2-1 pressure/allin at 12:30 PvZ and die to it b/c I didn't go JD's tight quick viper build and I'm all like "Nice shot dude!"
“Our players tend by nature to be fairly inward people,” Prosser Robinson said. “Most of them have never known anything except for video games. The nicest way to put it is that it sometimes colors how they go about their lives.”
This story was incredibly painful to read, and I find it hilarious that EG would even be be willing to play a cooperative role in the creation of something that ran with the headline "Pro Video Game Stardom, Honed in Messy Isolation.". Perhaps true, but what a self-deprecating way to communicate with the general public.
On September 29 2013 14:23 HeeroFX wrote: I am actually impressed by the story, they really took the time to learn about the esports world.
did they? several choice quotes makes it pretty apparent that they didn't even take the time to learn what game pros were playing
With the LCS finals taking 1 hour to sell all the Stapplers Centre tickets in LA, I'd guess that they should be curious.
Hehe that sounds really funny, but it's "Staples Center", just for the sake of completeness. The funniest thing I saw recently was someone calling it "Stapleless Center", which was awesome.
I agree though, it's giving a lot of attention to eSports as a whole. If you think about the storyline that an outsider might see "There is this new game whos players are recognized as athletes by the US government, it completely sold out Staples in one hour and now is being sponsored by American Express in the same manner as they sponsor the US Open or LA Kings".
"Most of them have never known anything except for video games."
"Moldy pizza and day-old cereal bowls"
Well, it's an interesting bit of PR there. Or maybe this is just the reality we need to accept about hardcore video gaming. But it seems it would tend to confirm the outside world's negative perception of the nature of video gaming.
On September 29 2013 13:36 N.geNuity wrote: What a shitty article in all honesty
It has some positive notes but also focuses repeatedly on 'stereotypical nerd markers.' Commenting on how late they sleep? Their hygiene? Ugggghh at least it is not overtly aggressive.
Why wouldn't the article comment on that? This is the New York Times. Their readership isn't gamers, it's normal people, and it's the reporter's job to inform them, not to paint esports in the best possible light. Normal people would probably be pretty interested to learn that you can be some nerd who sleeps in until 3pm and spends 90% of your time in basketball shorts and still make six figures a year playing a video game.
Judging from the excerpt in the OP, sounds like a fucking awful article. Yeah all progamers are complete shut-ins that despise the sunlight and stay glued to their computers 24/7 living off shitty food and energy drinks. Okay.
On September 29 2013 16:29 Doodsmack wrote: "Most of them have never known anything except for video games."
"Moldy pizza and day-old cereal bowls"
Well, it's an interesting bit of PR there. Or maybe this is just the reality we need to accept about hardcore video gaming. But it seems it would tend to confirm the outside world's negative perception of the nature of video gaming.
I mean, if it's a reality, it's not really something to be super ashamed of. They didn't seem to make any negative implications, that was left to the reader.
On September 29 2013 16:47 IcedBacon wrote: Judging from the excerpt in the OP, sounds like a fucking awful article. Yeah all progamers are complete shut-ins that despise the sunlight and stay glued to their computers 24/7 living off shitty food and energy drinks. Okay.
I mean, dude... that might be a little bit of an overgeneralization, but not entirely. If you want to be a professional gamer, especially in SC/SC2, you have to make a lot of sacrifices. Maybe they don't despise the sunlight but they spend the vast majority of their time (even when not practicing) in a dark room on their computer. I have been there.
Didn't really like the article... Too much approximations. The video was bad. If you want to show esport, don't show 30 guys clapping to Machine, show the thousands clapping to Stephano, Naniwa, or even a Korean. Sc2 is fast paced, yet the video felt so slow it didn't show at all how exciting it can be.
On September 29 2013 16:29 Doodsmack wrote: "Most of them have never known anything except for video games."
"Moldy pizza and day-old cereal bowls"
Well, it's an interesting bit of PR there. Or maybe this is just the reality we need to accept about hardcore video gaming. But it seems it would tend to confirm the outside world's negative perception of the nature of video gaming.
Why do they even have maids if they don't clean up before some snooty NY Times reporter comes that is just itching to portray them as losers?
If he is talking about the Yankees in the last few years, its spot on. Aging heroes, former or otherwise, + costly rosterl + minimal results describes them to a t.
its clear that they are using performance-enhancing drugs
Within the Lair, a tautly focused silence tends to reign. It is broken only by the patter-clack of keyboards or by occasional exclamations: “Nice shot, dude!” or “Dang, I just got killed!”
Hahahaha yeah I'm sure that's what they say.
Haha yeah, since when do you say stuff like that when playing starcraft? xD.
It's pretty astonishing how sloppily the article seems to have been done. We on here obviously perceive it quite extreme, because this is a topic that we know a lot about. I'm rather concerned about the quality of articles on topics that I don't know a lot or anything about, where I actually try to educate myself about something. It's obviously no secret that there's a lot of bad stuff out there that gets published, but for it to be that severe in a NY Times article... :I
On September 29 2013 13:36 N.geNuity wrote: What a shitty article in all honesty
It has some positive notes but also focuses repeatedly on 'stereotypical nerd markers.' Commenting on how late they sleep? Their hygiene? Ugggghh at least it is not overtly aggressive.
Except these things are still issues. Maelk and Kaci had that whole bit at TI3, predicated by the reddit thread complaining about people at the event who didn't shower. At fighting game events, it's so bad.
We know the cleanliness is pretty gross and Machine brought up improper hours himself.
Motherfuckers (in general, not just this article) need to learn to take care of themselves, like adults. Or at least when reporters are coming by. I think the article portrayed what went on without any judgment, and some people here are taking offense because they're embarrassed by it.
Although I had a few eye rolls while reading the article, the negative response here on TL makes me think that many users here don't read a lot of newspaper articles. They're always based on approximations, filled with "choice" cringe-inducing quotes (to someone who actually participates in whatever the article is being written about) and generally inaccurate. If you wrote the article, most people reading the NY Times would not care about your hyperbolic description of Demuslim's "pale, slender fingers, dancing like flames against a dark Arizona night sky while accurately microing his marineball and continually producing SCVs". But I would. Oh man, that image.
Good publicity is good for everybody in eSports, not only EG, so give them some leniency when they exaggerate their own standing (Michael Jordan/Yankee comparisons) Good job EG!!
So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Also, I feel like we should never have tried to use the term "Esport". It's just getting us weird look. People outside of the industry just don't understand why this should be a sport. Would have been so much easier if we were just professional videogames competitors.
On September 29 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote: So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Esports as a whole is doing incredibly well right now... just sayin'.
On September 29 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote: So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Also, I feel like we should never have tried to use the term "Esport". It's just getting us weird look. People outside of the industry just don't understand why this should be a sport. Would have been so much easier if we were just professional videogames competitors.
It used to be called cybergames in, like, the 80's. I think that's cooler than iPhone and eSports.
On September 29 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote: So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Esports as a whole is doing incredibly well right now... just sayin'.
Not to the point for someone like Demuslim to make 80k a year. I can't believe that.
On September 29 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote: So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Esports as a whole is doing incredibly well right now... just sayin'.
Not to the point for someone like Demuslim to make 80k a year. I can't believe that.
Yeah, that sounds way too high, I agree, but I guess it's somewhat futile to go into detail here, so I've decided to give the benefit of the doubt to him at least in it not being a straight up lie. Maybe those were older numbers? EG and salary/money is such an old and tiresome topic anyway, lol
Within the Lair, a tautly focused silence tends to reign. It is broken only by the patter-clack of keyboards or by occasional exclamations: “Nice shot, dude!” or “Dang, I just got killed!”
On September 29 2013 22:07 Noocta wrote: So we are okay at blatantly lying to mainstream media about how Esport is doing to get attention now ? Because either EG has a money machine in the backroom, or this article is full of bullshit.
Also, I feel like we should never have tried to use the term "Esport". It's just getting us weird look. People outside of the industry just don't understand why this should be a sport. Would have been so much easier if we were just professional videogames competitors.
The article is complete bullshit, to put up something like this on nytimes where there is national attention isn't a smart move. "eSports" is a bit ambitious, calling sticks like Thorzain or shorties like Huk athletes is laughable. Texas hold'em receives national coverage on ESPN being honest about what they are playing.
I like that esports gets some coverage in more broadly viewed media, but reading articles written by people who don't know a thing about esports is a little cringeworthy. I guess that's just the price you pay for publicity.
i like the way Alex Garfield put it, it's not a question of whether it's a sport or not, the culture really will dictate what professional gaming is and that's that. I really wouldn't EVER call video games sports, nor would i call someone who sits at a computer for hours on end playing video games an athlete, but there are so many parallels that i'm glad to see it's getting some recognition !
and when Machine said they were the Michael Jordans of video games, i think he was referring to professional gamers in general, not him or his team.
To me it's in a similar "gray area" as using the terms Billard-sports or Dart-sports. You don't really call it sports, because they aren't, but that's precisely why you invent these slightly adjusted terms, since they still have quite a bit in common.
By the way I just wondered, is there another industry or scene or whatever that, just like e-sports, has a very sports-like infrastructure with the teams, sponsors, coaches, analysts, player transfers and whatnot, but isn't actually a sport?
On September 29 2013 13:36 N.geNuity wrote: What a shitty article in all honesty
It has some positive notes but also focuses repeatedly on 'stereotypical nerd markers.' Commenting on how late they sleep? Their hygiene? Ugggghh at least it is not overtly aggressive.
Except these things are still issues. Maelk and Kaci had that whole bit at TI3, predicated by the reddit thread complaining about people at the event who didn't shower. At fighting game events, it's so bad.
We know the cleanliness is pretty gross and Machine brought up improper hours himself.
Motherfuckers (in general, not just this article) need to learn to take care of themselves, like adults. Or at least when reporters are coming by. I think the article portrayed what went on without any judgment, and some people here are taking offense because they're embarrassed by it.
I can see this. The idea that 20-somethings need a house mom and maids in the first place definitely embarrasses me a little.
On September 30 2013 00:53 UmberBane wrote: To me it's in a similar "gray area" as using the terms Billard-sports or Dart-sports. You don't really call it sports, because they aren't, but that's precisely why you invent these slightly adjusted terms, since they still have quite a bit in common.
By the way I just wondered, is there another industry or scene or whatever that, just like e-sports, has a very sports-like infrastructure with the teams, sponsors, coaches, analysts, player transfers and whatnot, but isn't actually a sport?
The closest thing I can think of is F1. I always feel that competitive Starcraft is like a combination of F1 and a 1v1 sport.
Oh I thought F1 was already considered a sport, but I don't really follow it, haha. Good one, though. It's definitely a similar "on the edge" kind of thing.
On September 30 2013 01:57 UmberBane wrote: Oh I thought F1 was already considered a sport, but I don't really follow it, haha. Good one, though. It's definitely a similar "on the edge" kind of thing.
"motor sports" People come up with the exact same arguments as well. "You aren't actually doing anything physical you are just driving the vehicle is doing the work." and then people counter with "Have you ever tried driving an indie car? It is actually very physically demanding" and so they go on in circles just like we do.
Yes it is a sport but like someone else said we are at the COMPLETE mercy of blizzard or whatever other company made the game and the changes / balance / design ect they decide to make.
This is why being a pro-gamer is so difficult. The rules can change overnight and stuff that you just spent the last 2 months perfecting can be changed so it's no longer effective. With something like basketball or football the game is much more stable and doesn't have massive "balance" or "rule" changes every 2 months.
On September 30 2013 02:30 JIJI_ wrote: Yes it is a sport but like someone else said we are at the COMPLETE mercy of blizzard or whatever other company made the game and the changes / balance / design ect they decide to make.
This is why being a pro-gamer is so difficult. The rules can change overnight and stuff that you just spent the last 2 months perfecting can be changed so it's no longer effective. With something like basketball or football the game is much more stable and doesn't have massive "balance" or "rule" changes every 2 months.
You mean just like golf or any other sport where the league controls everything, including the courses, rules and all other parts of the sport itself.
All professional athletes have to deal with the league/owner of the sport they are involved with.
On September 30 2013 01:57 UmberBane wrote: Oh I thought F1 was already considered a sport, but I don't really follow it, haha. Good one, though. It's definitely a similar "on the edge" kind of thing.
"motor sports" People come up with the exact same arguments as well. "You aren't actually doing anything physical you are just driving the vehicle is doing the work." and then people counter with "Have you ever tried driving an indie car? It is actually very physically demanding" and so they go on in circles just like we do.
Formula 1 is insanely hard on your body during a race. You lose a lot of body water and stuff. I've heard of pretty impressive facts, like Alonso losing 2 or 3 kilos after a single race. It's intense.
On September 29 2013 14:10 xxpack09 wrote: loling majorly @ "Prosser Robinson"
why?
Because they don't know what Anna's actual first name is?
What?? Her full name is written the first time they talk about her, then they refer to her by last name only afterwards which is pretty standard.. see Garfield, Baker, Loranger
It goes on about personal setbacks, career statistics, personal skills, styles of playing and so on. It provides a sense of this legendary player and I know nothing about baseball.
It could easily be written about a starcraft 2 player. We all know the depths involved in the international Starcraft 2 tournaments, though more mainstream media do not seem to attempt to convey any of it.
Instead how is this for an equivalent.
Here is a baseball player who throws a ball for a living, is that a sport? He has little more than 1 action every few minutes and has basically one pitch (barely even 1 build order). To examine this player and the legitimacy of his career we will ask in depth questions about his hygiene and eating habits, does he do his own laundry? does he cook for himself? how often does he eat at a restaurant?
I can not imagine such an article being anything other than insulting for baseball fans. Unless it is meant as a joke, but then anyone who knows nothing about baseball is unlikely to get it.
I saw a lot of stereotypes in this article. E-Sports were still being treated as an oddity, rather than a real sport. Nice to see E-Sports get their due in a major publication, but still kinda meh.
Furthermore, to label EG as the "Yankees" of E-Sports is quite generous. The Yankees have 27 championships to their credit. EG is a lot closer to the Red Sox, the lovable losers (really, no disrespect intended) who after a lot of perseverance and bad luck, manage to snag a couple of big wins.
LOL EG might be one of the causes of sc2 slowly dying.
- when they started tearing korean teams appart by hooking contracted players. - when they they hook foreign players out of their team with big contract (which players coudn't say no to, cause money) breaking instantly team rivalries and eu/na rivalries that kept the game exiting. - when they monopolize the few existing sponsors. - when they bought Jaedong, disconnecting him from the korean fanbase simulteanously. which we know is already not really into sc2. lets cut whats left of the korean fanbase by sending sc1 legend out of korea.
and now portaying gamers as introverted autistic people cave'd in all day
You mean just like golf or any other sport where the league controls everything, including the courses, rules and all other parts of the sport itself.
All professional athletes have to deal with the league/owner of the sport they are involved with.
League does not control everything. They control some stuff but not nearly to the extent as with a video game being the medium.
For casual players especially.....game like football or basketball you can play with friends with your own rules. Take a video game you are basically forced into the same rule-set as the professionals.
Could you imagine playing a pickup basketball game or a friendly football game at the beach or in a HS setting with the same exact rules as the professionals have to play by? No I couldn't.
Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
On September 30 2013 02:02 bo1b wrote: I really don't want to read this, I don't think I could handle the cringe of anything from the external world focused on ESPORTS.
Speaking of which, we really need to change that name.
I've always wondered what retired e-athletes do when they retire. Many, if not most of them skipped education to build an esports career. Do they try to find a job or do they go back to college?
It's why I respect both Stephano and Thorzain so much. The former retired to get a degree while the latter put his esports career on the backburner to focus on his education. Neither is at the top of their game anymore, which probably made the decision easier, but still, it is the right choice in the long run.
On September 30 2013 05:30 maartendq wrote: I've always wondered what retired e-athletes do when they retire. Many, if not most of them skipped education to build an esports career. Do they try to find a job or do they go back to college?
Get jobs in gaming/esports. Or just go to college, nothing says you have to do it in your early 20s or you're fucked.
On September 30 2013 04:15 JIJI_ wrote: Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
This is cute. Both Shaq and Wilt forced the NBA to change rules regarding lanes and goaltending because of their dominance.
On September 30 2013 04:15 JIJI_ wrote: Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
This is cute. Both Shaq and Wilt forced the NBA to change rules regarding lanes and goaltending because of their dominance.
Also, the NCAA did ban dunks for a time because of Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
I think a better example might be something that changes the game as a whole. IE. The NBA swoops in and says "let's make basketballs a little bit bigger for a while and if we notice any significant issues we all revert the change." They simply couldn't get away with something like that however game devs have the power to do game breaking things all the time.
On September 30 2013 04:15 JIJI_ wrote: Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
This is cute. Both Shaq and Wilt forced the NBA to change rules regarding lanes and goaltending because of their dominance.
Also, the NCAA did ban dunks for a time because of Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
I think a better example might be something that changes the game as a whole. IE. The NBA swoops in and says "let's make basketballs a little bit bigger for a while and if we notice any significant issues we all revert the change." They simply couldn't get away with something like that however game devs have the power to do game breaking things all the time.
Uh... perhaps you are unaware of the ABA. Where they made basketballs a little bit smaller for awhile and changed the color. Basketball as a whole watched to see if there were any significant issues and then reverted the change. Or the change in the distance of the three-point-line. Or the rapidly-changing refereeing standards. Or the implementation of instant replay call reviews (major mistake). Or... etc., etc.
For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
Quoted wikipedia, but dictionaries say pretty much the same. Are you gonna deny all of them too ?
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
As far as I'm concerned never quote liquipedia either.
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
As far as I'm concerned never quote liquipedia either.
yeah but thats only cuz most of liquipedia is way outdated. Pretty much the only section that's regularly updated is the tourney section.
and hmm if eg is the yankees then maybe liquid is the phillies? Plenty of champions and still very relevant unlike the yankees
One bloop I read. Cat5e Cables? I would assume they are using Cat 6 cables at this point. In the house. I am not sure if the houses use Fiber, or Business Cable. Either way, Cat 6 is cheap and better for connectivity. XD
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
As far as I'm concerned never quote liquipedia either.
yeah but thats only cuz most of liquipedia is way outdated. Pretty much the only section that's regularly updated is the tourney section.
and hmm if eg is the yankees then maybe liquid is the phillies? Plenty of champions and still very relevant unlike the yankees
Do you really think that teamliquid fans are the worst in esports?
On September 30 2013 06:29 aXa wrote: For those who doesn't think Esport is a sport, that's because you don't know the correct definition of sport.
Wiki:
*Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity (check) which,[1] through casual or organised participation, (check) aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability (check) and skills (check) while providing entertainment to participants (check), and in some cases, spectators. (check)[2] Hundreds of sports exist, (check) from those requiring only two participants, (check) through to those with hundreds of simultaneous participants, either in teams (check) or competing as individuals. (check) Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism (check) or physical dexterity, (check)
By this definition, Iron Chef is a sport... never quote Wikipedia man. Internet 101
As far as I'm concerned never quote liquipedia either.
yeah but thats only cuz most of liquipedia is way outdated. Pretty much the only section that's regularly updated is the tourney section.
and hmm if eg is the yankees then maybe liquid is the phillies? Plenty of champions and still very relevant unlike the yankees
Do you really think that teamliquid fans are the worst in esports?
On September 30 2013 04:13 crazyweasel wrote: LOL EG might be one of the causes of sc2 slowly dying.
- when they started tearing korean teams appart by hooking contracted players. - when they they hook foreign players out of their team with big contract (which players coudn't say no to, cause money) breaking instantly team rivalries and eu/na rivalries that kept the game exiting. - when they monopolize the few existing sponsors. - when they bought Jaedong, disconnecting him from the korean fanbase simulteanously. which we know is already not really into sc2. lets cut whats left of the korean fanbase by sending sc1 legend out of korea.
and now portaying gamers as introverted autistic people cave'd in all day
On September 30 2013 04:13 crazyweasel wrote: LOL EG might be one of the causes of sc2 slowly dying.
- when they started tearing korean teams appart by hooking contracted players. - when they they hook foreign players out of their team with big contract (which players coudn't say no to, cause money) breaking instantly team rivalries and eu/na rivalries that kept the game exiting. - when they monopolize the few existing sponsors. - when they bought Jaedong, disconnecting him from the korean fanbase simulteanously. which we know is already not really into sc2. lets cut whats left of the korean fanbase by sending sc1 legend out of korea.
and now portaying gamers as introverted autistic people cave'd in all day
Yes.
No, not really. A lot of that stuff he just made up. Also, I am not sure how you "monopolize the few existing sponsors", unless we assume they are stealing them form other teams. And that seems pretty dumb.
On September 30 2013 04:15 JIJI_ wrote: Also the way the David Kim and Blizz balance this game is if the NBA were to nerf dunks or make dunks only worth 1 point when Shaq was dominating or when Wilt Chamberlin was dominating. It's very ridiculous. Anytime a player does a good build and is dominating the nerfs will be inc soon after - that is why there is no-one in sc2 scene that is actually consistent and at the very top dominating for more than a few months at a time.
This is cute. Both Shaq and Wilt forced the NBA to change rules regarding lanes and goaltending because of their dominance.
Also, the NCAA did ban dunks for a time because of Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
I think a better example might be something that changes the game as a whole. IE. The NBA swoops in and says "let's make basketballs a little bit bigger for a while and if we notice any significant issues we all revert the change." They simply couldn't get away with something like that however game devs have the power to do game breaking things all the time.
Of course they can. They change rules all the time to make the game better or avoid specific things that they don't like seeing. Or they freak out like the NHL and just shut down the whole league because they don't like the way everyone is getting paid. Then no one plays at all.
On September 29 2013 16:47 IcedBacon wrote: Judging from the excerpt in the OP, sounds like a fucking awful article. Yeah all progamers are complete shut-ins that despise the sunlight and stay glued to their computers 24/7 living off shitty food and energy drinks. Okay.
Yes, let's judge things by excerpts and then post angry comments about articles we didn't read.
On September 30 2013 08:57 MrMedic wrote: I thought the Yankees win a lot?
The foreign Yankees on the team can't win a thing except Stephano (actually, don't remember Stephano winning anything while on EG). The Korean Yankees of the team got owned in Proleague.
On September 30 2013 04:13 crazyweasel wrote: LOL EG might be one of the causes of sc2 slowly dying.
So you're saying they're killing eSports™?
- when they started tearing korean teams appart by hooking contracted players.
They've recruited like five players.
- when they they hook foreign players out of their team with big contract (which players coudn't say no to, cause money) breaking instantly team rivalries and eu/na rivalries that kept the game exiting.
They've recruited three European players, and HuK.
- when they monopolize the few existing sponsors.
How are they monopolizing sponsors? Razer isn't EG exclusive, they've only "monopolized" Kingston and Monster afaik.
- when they bought Jaedong, disconnecting him from the korean fanbase simulteanously. which we know is already not really into sc2. lets cut whats left of the korean fanbase by sending sc1 legend out of korea.
They didn't "buy" Jaedong, and if Korean SC2 is going to collapse over one BW legend joining a foreign team, it's not sustainable anyway. If anything, getting a top Kespa player on a foreign team brings more international viewers to Korean events.
and now portaying gamers as introverted autistic people cave'd in all day
Machine and DeMuslim didn't come off as introverted autistic people at all. They came off as well-spoken, physically fit young guys who play RTS for a living. The third player featured in the photo section was the team captain, mentioned as being married to a former Miss Oregon.
On September 30 2013 09:10 unigolyn wrote: It's like foreign teams can't win. Don't have proper team houses and 12 hour practice days? No passion, elephants in the room, learn from Koreans.
Start a team house and practice 12 hours a day? Portraying gamers as autistic introverts who don't go outside.
How is this any different then Korea? We constantly hear progamers talking about how originally their parents were against it and stuff.
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
On September 29 2013 11:40 FabledIntegral wrote: I definitely did not see the article portraying hte gamers themselves in a positive light, but rather as super introverted individuals who lack social skills. Then again, it was Anna who admitted it...
Well, its probably the truth in someways anyways even though we don't want it to be.
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
I don't know why people obsessed on the usage of a single word so much either. Are they really afraid that it's going to confuse the reader? Or fear that it would devalue all other physical sports because of its association with games? To me it's just a name for an electronic game in a competitive setting.
Loranger kept some Lady Speed Stick deodorant at his desk, handily in reach.
ROFL
“You can definitely play too much,” he said, surrounded by a bagel with cream cheese, a pair of old chopsticks and a rubber-gripped hand exerciser. “People tilt,” he added, “just like machines.”
LOL man whenever i think about HuK now i just have flashbacks to his commercial for Kingston haha
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
Why can't we just call it what it is, an online video game competition?
We're probably the last generation alive that even have problems with video games as a legitimate hobby, frankly this obsession to appeal to an older generation who will never be interested in the games we play is ridiculous.
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
Why can't we just call it what it is, an online video game competition?
We're probably the last generation alive that even have problems with video games as a legitimate hobby, frankly this obsession to appeal to an older generation who will never be interested in the games we play is ridiculous.
In my opinion video games are a waste of time unless you design them and make profit
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
Why can't we just call it what it is, an online video game competition?
We're probably the last generation alive that even have problems with video games as a legitimate hobby, frankly this obsession to appeal to an older generation who will never be interested in the games we play is ridiculous.
What makes you believe the term eSports solely got invented to "appeal to an older generation"? I see nothing wrong with using that term, it also sounds much better than "online video game competition" in my opinion. That bird has flown a long time ago, anyway. In many countries the term e-sports is being recognized as legitimate, most notably for us on here is obviously the Korean eSports Association. One of the goals of KeSPA, as a government organization, is to make eSports an official sporting event. And I see nothing wrong with that.
And about half the world would disagree on anything that you checked on that starts with "physical".
Physical activities: as in any body movement that works your muscles and requires more energy than resting. (check)
So everything except resting is a sport? To me, video games at high level are not demanding physically speaking. Take any "real" sport that everyone knows about, every professional is very healthy and fit, even for sports like golf or even probably curling, but I might be wrong about this one eh.
Now take, Starcraft 2 and video games in general, anyone can be a professional gamer, but these games don't require much physical training.
Video games require a lot of practice and are very demanding mentally speaking, just like Chess or Magic the Gathering or any card game I can think of, does that make it a sport, I don't think so.
People need to make the difference between "any activity based on skill" and sport.
And anticipating all the "you gotta be quick with your hands" replies, to me, just having to be fast with your hands doesn't make it a sport.
I do not think we should be calling competitive gaming a sport, but we should be calling it e-sport - why do you think there is a new word for it? There is a big difference. Cuesport/Billardsport or Dartsport also isn't physically demanding. You just need dexterity/precision with your hands and strategy. I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is all about, just because a word contains the word "sport"... It's not set in stone or anything. In Germany most people even call Chess a sport, in other countries they don't. In Korea e-sports is sports, in other countries it isn't.
Why can't we just call it what it is, an online video game competition?
We're probably the last generation alive that even have problems with video games as a legitimate hobby, frankly this obsession to appeal to an older generation who will never be interested in the games we play is ridiculous.
In my opinion video games are a waste of time unless you design them and make profit
I hope by that standard then the only things you don't think are wastes of time are biological necessities and working.
I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Is it just me or do no progamers think of their health when playing? To avoid problems with wrist/arm/should problems, you are supposed to have the whole forearm on the desk. Just about all the players I see have maybe 50% of their forearm on the desk, the rest is supported by the shoulders and so on. Not exactly brilliant if you want a long career.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
Lmao that's 100% their LoL team, too. Quite astonishing how all the EG teams are so similar!
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
Lmao that's 100% their LoL team, too. Quite astonishing how all the EG teams are so similar!
that is probably because they have the same strategy for picking up players/teams in all of their games
When they say they are the "Yankees" of video games I don't think they're trying to insinuate that they're the best team, but that they're an organization at the pinnacle of gaming. To people who know nothing about esports I understand why they would try to draw a connection between themselves and other, more familiar sports.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
Lmao that's 100% their LoL team, too. Quite astonishing how all the EG teams are so similar!
that is probably because they have the same strategy for picking up players/teams in all of their games
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
New DotA2 team in first month qualified for ESWC and won bigpoint tourney.
LoL team fell 1 game shy of qualifying for LoL Worlds.
It's like you guys don't even follow the scene.. you just hate on shit.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
As a Yankees fan, it's 27 championships, which is to say, out of the 111 world series played since the AL/NL merger in 1901, the Yankees have won almost 1 in every 4.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
As a Yankees fan, it's 27 championships, which is to say, out of the 111 world series played since the AL/NL merger in 1901, the Yankees have won almost 1 in every 4.
And Yankees fans will cling to that no matter how badly the team is doing that year. Like Dolphins and that perfect season from so long ago.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
New DotA2 team in first month qualified for ESWC and won bigpoint tourney.
LoL team fell 1 game shy of qualifying for LoL Worlds.
It's like you guys don't even follow the scene.. you just hate on shit.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
New DotA2 team in first month qualified for ESWC and won bigpoint tourney.
LoL team fell 1 game shy of qualifying for LoL Worlds.
It's like you guys don't even follow the scene.. you just hate on shit.
nice troll. some coverage would have been great
Reporting on EG teams had never stopped trolls from hating on EG teams. It's not like they are looking for discussion anyways.
yeah whatever ... still pretty sad to see literary zero coverage for an event like ESWC anywhere on the webs. wasn't it like pretty big some years ago?
On October 01 2013 05:05 Shelltoe wrote: yeah whatever ... still pretty sad to see literary zero coverage for an event like ESWC. wasn't it like pretty big some years ago?
TL can only cover so many events. I am sure it is covered in the EG website, but you need to go there to see it. I knew they qualified, but I found out through twitter.
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
New DotA2 team in first month qualified for ESWC and won bigpoint tourney.
LoL team fell 1 game shy of qualifying for LoL Worlds.
It's like you guys don't even follow the scene.. you just hate on shit.
Bro It's sad to see so many people hate on this forums and have no respect. Especially recently.... They don't even notice that Jaedong has consistently posted good results... he may have not taken 1st place but 2nd place is nothing to spit at with such difficult tournaments....... You may not be the yankees ( atleast not yet) but eSports is still young and EG is a serious contender in any event and always full of notable players Keep up the good work guys <3 and good luck on all your teams!!!!!! EG FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!
Yea, because its for the new york times they try to put a really positive spin on it, i like how when machine brings up prize pool he doesnt talk about sc2's somewhat dwindling prizepool but brings up the prize pool of a game he doesnt even play.
I thought the funniest part was when he referred to himself (pretty much) as the Michael Jordan of sc2. That was a laugh and a half. I dont think hes ever won a championship has he?
On September 30 2013 23:22 Oakenshield wrote: I'm late to the party but I am literally in awe of those sports analogies. How many series have the Yankees won, 24? I like EG but there are fifteen Dota teams better than theirs so as a Dota fan it just feels like I'm reading flat out lies.
Well EG's dota team makes a very good mirror image of the recent Yankees. Relying on veterans and not winning anything seems like an apt description.
New DotA2 team in first month qualified for ESWC and won bigpoint tourney.
LoL team fell 1 game shy of qualifying for LoL Worlds.
It's like you guys don't even follow the scene.. you just hate on shit.
The haters are always the most vocal minority. fuck em. ;d
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