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Major Shift in KeSPA Structure: Open to All - Page 9

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 15:12:56
August 28 2013 15:09 GMT
#161
On August 28 2013 17:09 Arceus wrote:
This is hinting toward an unify teamleague more than anything else. Not only corporate giant has a seat in the board but other organization (read:non corporate-teams) can also join (read2: eSF team, Najin etc)
That said, members like SKTelecom or Samsung still have a much weighted say in making decision imo

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:07 Fionn wrote:
So...this means EVERYONE is KeSPA now?

They're like Dr. Pepper.

They are the GOVERNMENT


I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen even though guys like Khaldor say they don't see it happening.

On August 28 2013 22:58 FlukyS wrote:
Bravo to KeSPA for keeping up with the times and adapting.


It's such a weird thing to say because the organization has always been making adjustments to the format, production, rule changes, broadcasting rights, bringing in EG-TL, hiring English casters, making the streams more readily available, etc. The hatred for the Association goes pretty deep I guess.
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
August 28 2013 15:14 GMT
#162
This is awful... basically a monopoly.


You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.


I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
August 28 2013 15:27 GMT
#163
On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.


You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.


I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.



If this "monopoly" was happening in the US or EU I would agree.
But this is happening in South-Korea and I think countries like China and South-Korea benefit greatly when a single entity is in charge.
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NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
August 28 2013 15:28 GMT
#164
I am happy about this :D
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 28 2013 15:28 GMT
#165
On August 28 2013 22:57 Sjokola wrote:
Every time I read this I think "Major got into a Kespa team again?" for a split second.

haha poor major

I hope he makes it back to Korea.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 28 2013 15:33 GMT
#166
What does a KeSPA membership get you other than the right to compete in PL?
ShroudeD
Profile Joined August 2012
Greece1333 Posts
August 28 2013 15:35 GMT
#167
This is good right?
Mvp,Fantasy 4ever
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 28 2013 15:38 GMT
#168
A combined teamleague would make me so hype I think I might die.

Someone look after me pls.
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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
August 28 2013 15:43 GMT
#169
On August 29 2013 00:09 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:09 Arceus wrote:
This is hinting toward an unify teamleague more than anything else. Not only corporate giant has a seat in the board but other organization (read:non corporate-teams) can also join (read2: eSF team, Najin etc)
That said, members like SKTelecom or Samsung still have a much weighted say in making decision imo

On August 28 2013 17:07 Fionn wrote:
So...this means EVERYONE is KeSPA now?

They're like Dr. Pepper.

They are the GOVERNMENT


I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen even though guys like Khaldor say they don't see it happening.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 22:58 FlukyS wrote:
Bravo to KeSPA for keeping up with the times and adapting.


It's such a weird thing to say because the organization has always been making adjustments to the format, production, rule changes, broadcasting rights, bringing in EG-TL, hiring English casters, making the streams more readily available, etc. The hatred for the Association goes pretty deep I guess.

They could have done it directly.

Imagine if they could have pulled their shit together and made a smooth transition to sc2 without all this kespa vs esf bullshitting (not allowing players to participate in gsl, their shitty end of contract rules, not willing to unite until now etc...).

Perhaps Sc2 would be the king game instead of LoL, perharps not but the sc2 korean scene would be in a much better state than it is now if not for their "competition"/"commercial" mentality. They wanted to take control over the korean scene by force and it proved harmful.

That was retarded and greedy. With that I don't trust them for anything that they will do. I'm sure we will hear about their stupid behavior again in the future.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
August 28 2013 15:49 GMT
#170
I really, really hope ESF will give this a chance. There needs to be a unified korean scene. Can you imagine a proleague with ALL the teams? Including foreign teams? I mean... nerd chills man (and I do not use this phrase lightly).
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
August 28 2013 15:52 GMT
#171
On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.


You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.


I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.


Thats not at all how it works. If you'd have actually taken the time to read the damn article you'd have seen that KeSPA is a regulating body, they make sure the interests of their members and players are protected, since everyone in SK can join them now then everyone can have a word in KeSPA and they can make sure their interests are protected. Apart from that KeSPA makes sure all organizations and players are treated fairly and get an actual salary and stuff.

Also saying they have no experience is just flat out idiotic, these are the founders of modern eSports as it is in South Korea, while some of their methods and policies might have been archaic this has all now been rectified.

I see no reason at all to worry and complain about this, its almost like complaining the ministry of transports has sole right to govern over and regulate transportation policies. This is ultimately a good thing.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 28 2013 15:55 GMT
#172
On August 29 2013 00:52 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.


You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.


I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.


Thats not at all how it works. If you'd have actually taken the time to read the damn article you'd have seen that KeSPA is a regulating body, they make sure the interests of their members and players are protected, since everyone in SK can join them now then everyone can have a word in KeSPA and they can make sure their interests are protected. Apart from that KeSPA makes sure all organizations and players are treated fairly and get an actual salary and stuff.

Also saying they have no experience is just flat out idiotic, these are the founders of modern eSports as it is in South Korea, while some of their methods and policies might have been archaic this has all now been rectified.

I see no reason at all to worry and complain about this, its almost like complaining the ministry of transports has sole right to govern over and regulate transportation policies. This is ultimately a good thing.

That and every major sports league in North America is a monopoly. They receive an exception from the US government for being one, since they provide a product people want and every region has a sports team. It is how most sports leagues work, that they are regulated by a large group of interested parties.
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 28 2013 16:01 GMT
#173
On August 28 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:
Kespa wins, basically (because everyone is kespa!)

Honestly I don't know what to think of this. On the one hand it sounds like desperation. On the other, GSTL teams can join Proleague more easily.


more Kespa changes and everyone wins, if this goes as promised. I think everybody would love to see a more opened up Kespa. Just wait and see I guess.
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
August 28 2013 16:03 GMT
#174
I can see the merge coming. Esf will stay as a worker union and all players join, since that's what it is now.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 28 2013 16:19 GMT
#175
So Kespa is open to all, but is Kespa membership now required to run an esports tournament or team? Or is that right granted by the game developer as the legal owner of IP?

If Kespa membership is not legally required, will it become a de facto requirement, since not having the benefits of being a member will put you at a competitive disadvantage against those who do?

Only time will tell I guess, unless we have more details that answer these questions. Anyone?
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 28 2013 16:31 GMT
#176
really wonder how this will effect the since.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 28 2013 16:37 GMT
#177
On August 28 2013 23:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I wonder how it will affect my interest in the korean scene of games other than SC2.


Considering we see other Korean teams not linked to KeSPA compete in their other leagues? I don't know. I would like to see more Western teams compete over there that is for sure. It truly is a great place to hone your skills. Just need more tournaments coming out of there to make it worth while.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 28 2013 16:40 GMT
#178
Oh snap we get to see a mixed Proleague, IM/MVP/Startale atleast could enter no problem they have big and stacked lineups.
Well all teams could we could get more EGTL ?

I CAN NOT WAIT !
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 16:52:42
August 28 2013 16:52 GMT
#179
On August 28 2013 21:28 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 21:23 c0ldfusion wrote:
Does this pave the way to GSTL + Proleague merge?


Since all SC2 teams will now be on KeSPA it definitely does in a way, however the original KeSPA teams and the eSF teams need to come to some sort of an agreement.

This never was between the teams tough, this was about eSF vs KeSPA. The players were friends no matter if they were KeSPA or eSF. Perfect example of this was Flash, MC and Mvp all in Flash's booth during MLG lauhing and (what i assume was) joking.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 28 2013 17:20 GMT
#180
It's a kespa miracle!
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