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On August 28 2013 17:09 Arceus wrote:This is hinting toward an unify teamleague more than anything else. Not only corporate giant has a seat in the board but other organization (read:non corporate-teams) can also join (read2: eSF team, Najin etc) That said, members like SKTelecom or Samsung still have a much weighted say in making decision imo Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 17:07 Fionn wrote:
So...this means EVERYONE is KeSPA now?
They're like Dr. Pepper. They are the GOVERNMENT
I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen even though guys like Khaldor say they don't see it happening.
On August 28 2013 22:58 FlukyS wrote:
Bravo to KeSPA for keeping up with the times and adapting.
It's such a weird thing to say because the organization has always been making adjustments to the format, production, rule changes, broadcasting rights, bringing in EG-TL, hiring English casters, making the streams more readily available, etc. The hatred for the Association goes pretty deep I guess.
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This is awful... basically a monopoly.
You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.
I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.
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On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.
You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.
I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.
If this "monopoly" was happening in the US or EU I would agree.
But this is happening in South-Korea and I think countries like China and South-Korea benefit greatly when a single entity is in charge.
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On August 28 2013 22:57 Sjokola wrote:
Every time I read this I think "Major got into a Kespa team again?" for a split second.
haha poor major
I hope he makes it back to Korea.
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What does a KeSPA membership get you other than the right to compete in PL?
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A combined teamleague would make me so hype I think I might die.
Someone look after me pls.
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On August 29 2013 00:09 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 17:09 Arceus wrote:This is hinting toward an unify teamleague more than anything else. Not only corporate giant has a seat in the board but other organization (read:non corporate-teams) can also join (read2: eSF team, Najin etc) That said, members like SKTelecom or Samsung still have a much weighted say in making decision imo On August 28 2013 17:07 Fionn wrote:
So...this means EVERYONE is KeSPA now?
They're like Dr. Pepper. They are the GOVERNMENT I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen even though guys like Khaldor say they don't see it happening. Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 22:58 FlukyS wrote:
Bravo to KeSPA for keeping up with the times and adapting. It's such a weird thing to say because the organization has always been making adjustments to the format, production, rule changes, broadcasting rights, bringing in EG-TL, hiring English casters, making the streams more readily available, etc. The hatred for the Association goes pretty deep I guess.
They could have done it directly.
Imagine if they could have pulled their shit together and made a smooth transition to sc2 without all this kespa vs esf bullshitting (not allowing players to participate in gsl, their shitty end of contract rules, not willing to unite until now etc...).
Perhaps Sc2 would be the king game instead of LoL, perharps not but the sc2 korean scene would be in a much better state than it is now if not for their "competition"/"commercial" mentality. They wanted to take control over the korean scene by force and it proved harmful.
That was retarded and greedy. With that I don't trust them for anything that they will do. I'm sure we will hear about their stupid behavior again in the future.
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I really, really hope ESF will give this a chance. There needs to be a unified korean scene. Can you imagine a proleague with ALL the teams? Including foreign teams? I mean... nerd chills man (and I do not use this phrase lightly).
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On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.
You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.
I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in.
Thats not at all how it works. If you'd have actually taken the time to read the damn article you'd have seen that KeSPA is a regulating body, they make sure the interests of their members and players are protected, since everyone in SK can join them now then everyone can have a word in KeSPA and they can make sure their interests are protected. Apart from that KeSPA makes sure all organizations and players are treated fairly and get an actual salary and stuff.
Also saying they have no experience is just flat out idiotic, these are the founders of modern eSports as it is in South Korea, while some of their methods and policies might have been archaic this has all now been rectified.
I see no reason at all to worry and complain about this, its almost like complaining the ministry of transports has sole right to govern over and regulate transportation policies. This is ultimately a good thing.
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On August 29 2013 00:52 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 00:14 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
This is awful... basically a monopoly.
You'll have organizations that have no experience with eSports come in and throw money around and dictate what must be done to people with experience.
I hope this somehow works out, but when there is no competition and something is monopolized it generally doesn't work out very well as greed and other things kick in. Thats not at all how it works. If you'd have actually taken the time to read the damn article you'd have seen that KeSPA is a regulating body, they make sure the interests of their members and players are protected, since everyone in SK can join them now then everyone can have a word in KeSPA and they can make sure their interests are protected. Apart from that KeSPA makes sure all organizations and players are treated fairly and get an actual salary and stuff. Also saying they have no experience is just flat out idiotic, these are the founders of modern eSports as it is in South Korea, while some of their methods and policies might have been archaic this has all now been rectified. I see no reason at all to worry and complain about this, its almost like complaining the ministry of transports has sole right to govern over and regulate transportation policies. This is ultimately a good thing.
That and every major sports league in North America is a monopoly. They receive an exception from the US government for being one, since they provide a product people want and every region has a sports team. It is how most sports leagues work, that they are regulated by a large group of interested parties.
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On August 28 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:
Kespa wins, basically (because everyone is kespa!)
Honestly I don't know what to think of this. On the one hand it sounds like desperation. On the other, GSTL teams can join Proleague more easily.
more Kespa changes and everyone wins, if this goes as promised. I think everybody would love to see a more opened up Kespa. Just wait and see I guess.
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I can see the merge coming. Esf will stay as a worker union and all players join, since that's what it is now.
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So Kespa is open to all, but is Kespa membership now required to run an esports tournament or team? Or is that right granted by the game developer as the legal owner of IP?
If Kespa membership is not legally required, will it become a de facto requirement, since not having the benefits of being a member will put you at a competitive disadvantage against those who do?
Only time will tell I guess, unless we have more details that answer these questions. Anyone?
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really wonder how this will effect the since.
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On August 28 2013 23:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I wonder how it will affect my interest in the korean scene of games other than SC2.
Considering we see other Korean teams not linked to KeSPA compete in their other leagues? I don't know. I would like to see more Western teams compete over there that is for sure. It truly is a great place to hone your skills. Just need more tournaments coming out of there to make it worth while.
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Oh snap we get to see a mixed Proleague, IM/MVP/Startale atleast could enter no problem they have big and stacked lineups.
Well all teams could we could get more EGTL ?
I CAN NOT WAIT !
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On August 28 2013 21:28 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 21:23 c0ldfusion wrote:
Does this pave the way to GSTL + Proleague merge? Since all SC2 teams will now be on KeSPA it definitely does in a way, however the original KeSPA teams and the eSF teams need to come to some sort of an agreement.
This never was between the teams tough, this was about eSF vs KeSPA. The players were friends no matter if they were KeSPA or eSF. Perfect example of this was Flash, MC and Mvp all in Flash's booth during MLG lauhing and (what i assume was) joking.
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