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Major Shift in KeSPA Structure: Open to All - Page 7

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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 28 2013 13:01 GMT
#121
I would like to keep GSTL and Proleague separate, so that there's always options for someone who likes all-kill.

Also so that we can fanboy over GSTL vs Proleague teams, since apparently eSF and KeSPA are no longer valid distinctions.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
August 28 2013 13:02 GMT
#122
I think this is great. I am curious to see how it will play out re: GOM.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 28 2013 13:08 GMT
#123
Your move eSF and GOM.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
August 28 2013 13:08 GMT
#124
On August 28 2013 22:01 VisonKai wrote:
I would like to keep GSTL and Proleague separate, so that there's always options for someone who likes all-kill.

Also so that we can fanboy over GSTL vs Proleague teams, since apparently eSF and KeSPA are no longer valid distinctions.


Proleague alternated between all-kill and winners leaugue already this year.

I think and hope that this will be the strengthening push SC2 needs in Korea
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 28 2013 13:12 GMT
#125
GG eSF! I think this is good too. More teams means more competition and more players.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Scrutinizer
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
August 28 2013 13:15 GMT
#126
ALL YOUR TEAMS ARE BELONG TO US
+ Show Spoiler +
reference to an expression in the OP, in case you missed it. I like KeSPA btw
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 13:20:20
August 28 2013 13:19 GMT
#127
On August 28 2013 17:55 TheSayo182 wrote:
samsung - sk telecom - kt rolster - woongjin - cj entus - air jin
IM - startale - mvp - prime - FXO - Azubu?

12 teams league? gooood!

with maybe AX-acer and EGTL?

a 14 teams proleague will be sick! gogogo make it please!

Didn't multiple sources claim that EG-TL was no-more. If they are still continuing I'd be curious as to who they get as their next coach seeing as Coach Park immediately jumped ship to CJ Entus the moment the season ended.

I'd like to see Coach Lee as the head coach of EG-TL. He did a really good job with TSL while it was still alive and it would seem fitting if player abandonment for foreign teams was why TSL died.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
August 28 2013 13:21 GMT
#128
On August 28 2013 22:08 bokchoi wrote:
Your move eSF and GOM.

I think GOM should join KeSPA. I really do.
FLeK0
Profile Joined April 2010
86 Posts
August 28 2013 13:23 GMT
#129
If GSTL goes away, I will miss Hadouken! - Levitate
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45917 Posts
August 28 2013 13:24 GMT
#130
Despite its monopolizing and domineering presence, I'm hoping that some good can come from KeSPA's announcement.

Just as long as they don't find a way to enforce incredibly stringent (to the point of absurd) regulations... like the infamous BW pp =/= ppp pausing.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 13:40:01
August 28 2013 13:29 GMT
#131
On August 28 2013 18:18 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:08 Douillos wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?



And ESF fans? Will they cheer for... nobody?

They were only ever useful labels for those who preferred GSL`s 1st generation players/teams (ESF) or those who followed the BW stars (Kespa). I don`t think many rooted for the governing organisations themselves. It`s all pretty mixed now anyway so this move should be good to bring the korean scene under 1 roof.


Not necessarily.

In my case at least, me being a "BW elitist" is not hand-to-hand with me supporting KeSPA.

I am a "BW elitist" because I consider BW the better game, and SC2 to be a clusterfuck, and pretty detrimental to the Korean scene in general.

I support KeSPA not for being KeSPA, but because they are the only stable governing body that is not in control of Blizzard's control scheme. I strongly believe that in the long term, having all tournaments tethered to Blizzard's is very bad. It essentially gives Blizzard full power to kill a game whenever they please so they can promote whatever sequel or other game they think should be the next "eSport".

Bizzard didn't create SC2 thinking on eSports. Blizzard created SC2 to take over eSports.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33605 Posts
August 28 2013 13:33 GMT
#132
LoL Proleague
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
August 28 2013 13:37 GMT
#133
so chunnam techo university can join kespa now?

this is LoL driven
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 28 2013 13:37 GMT
#134
This is due to the LoL proleague some MVP and IM can join

Seeing all eSF teams in proleague though will be cool.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 28 2013 13:39 GMT
#135
Wow that's awesome. Great news for the scene.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
August 28 2013 13:44 GMT
#136
On August 28 2013 22:37 Fleuria wrote:
This is due to the LoL proleague some MVP and IM can join

Seeing all eSF teams in proleague though will be cool.


Don't forget Najin, and possibly CTU? They already have borrowed STX SouL coaching staff
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
August 28 2013 13:48 GMT
#137
On August 28 2013 22:29 VManOfMana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:18 Scarecrow wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:08 Douillos wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?



And ESF fans? Will they cheer for... nobody?

They were only ever useful labels for those who preferred GSL`s 1st generation players/teams (ESF) or those who followed the BW stars (Kespa). I don`t think many rooted for the governing organisations themselves. It`s all pretty mixed now anyway so this move should be good to bring the korean scene under 1 roof.


Bizzard didn't create SC2 thinking on eSports. Blizzard created SC2 to take over eSports.

I beg to differ. Blizzard created SC2 around single player. Keeping a competitive multiplayer scene alive is of little to no direct consequence for them; the benefit comes from the fact that this keeps the game in the news and helps to boost marketing for each new release.
If Blizzard had created SC2 to "take over eSports", their decisions on Battle.net, tournaments and licensing (e.g. the disastrous policy against PC booths) wouldn't have been so nonsensical.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 28 2013 13:48 GMT
#138
On August 28 2013 21:21 teddyoojo wrote:
cool, now kespa only needs to go global


kespa model doesnt work globally. it only sorta works in Korea
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 28 2013 13:49 GMT
#139
On August 28 2013 17:07 Fionn wrote:
So...this means EVERYONE is KeSPA now?

They're like Dr. Pepper.



or yahoo
dogmode
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Philippines491 Posts
August 28 2013 13:51 GMT
#140
i believe this is good news! official support from the government (thru KESPA) for all entities associated with eSports!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - KuroKy
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